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Walshy


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 2:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DaMike wrote:
Kyle Long - D. I felt this was a reach. He has 1st round athleticism but he's only started a couple games and has serious off the field issues.

Jon Bostic - B. I had a couple LBs rated ahead of him but it was a log jam with those guys. I really like this pick. He's the perfect MLB for our scheme without giving up the physicality that you want from your MLB.

Khaseem Greene - A. Great value pick. Kid is a playmaker. His instincts arent elite and he needs more experience but he's great value with starters potential.

Jordan Mills - B. I like this pick. I'm not sure where he plays though. Needs technique work but he has starting ability. More competition for the OL.

Cornellius Washington - A. I love this pick. We needed another DE and this value is unreal. His athletic ability and workout numbers are truly elite. Has a great burst with his hand on the ground. Elite closing speed and strength. Poor technique and limited pass rush moves but will be a good STer, will likely be a pass rush specialist and has starters ability.

Marquess Wilson - A. Another pick I love. I mocked this kid to us a while ago with a much earlier pick I believe. He has day 2 ability. Who knows if his off the field issues are real or not but he has the traits I love in a WR. Good quickness, hands and the ability to go up and get it. Starters potential and has the ability to spell all 3 spots.


He has great instincts and he was the captain of Rutgers football.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 2:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i think the kool-aid is being mixed a little strong here lol
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 2:39 pm    Post subject: My Grade Reply with quote

I thought both Kyle Long and Jon Bostic were reaches. The best value the Bears picked was Khaseem Greene followed by Cornelius Washington and Marquess Wilson (IMHO). Jordan Mills was picked about where he should have been. Overall I gave the Bears a C+.

As an FYI, the team that picked the best (value wise) was the Cardinals and the worst was the SeaHawks. I believe the Seattle had to many reaches.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 2:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DABEARSLCF04 wrote:
i think the kool-aid is being mixed a little strong here lol


I can see where you believe that. It really depends on what an individual believes a draft grade means. In my mind an A player has nearly equal chances of being a scrub as an D player. My grades reflect whether or not I think a good, calculated risk was made on the behalf of the team. It is more about grading the team and the process.

All I care is if the risk justifies the reward. Jerry Angelo used to choose players by their floor, as opposed to their ceiling. Most times, I do not agree with that approach. I like to take BOTH into account and weigh one higher than the other in specific instances.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 2:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Walshy wrote:
DaMike wrote:
Kyle Long - D. I felt this was a reach. He has 1st round athleticism but he's only started a couple games and has serious off the field issues.

Jon Bostic - B. I had a couple LBs rated ahead of him but it was a log jam with those guys. I really like this pick. He's the perfect MLB for our scheme without giving up the physicality that you want from your MLB.

Khaseem Greene - A. Great value pick. Kid is a playmaker. His instincts arent elite and he needs more experience but he's great value with starters potential.

Jordan Mills - B. I like this pick. I'm not sure where he plays though. Needs technique work but he has starting ability. More competition for the OL.

Cornellius Washington - A. I love this pick. We needed another DE and this value is unreal. His athletic ability and workout numbers are truly elite. Has a great burst with his hand on the ground. Elite closing speed and strength. Poor technique and limited pass rush moves but will be a good STer, will likely be a pass rush specialist and has starters ability.

Marquess Wilson - A. Another pick I love. I mocked this kid to us a while ago with a much earlier pick I believe. He has day 2 ability. Who knows if his off the field issues are real or not but he has the traits I love in a WR. Good quickness, hands and the ability to go up and get it. Starters potential and has the ability to spell all 3 spots.


He has great instincts and he was the captain of Rutgers football.
He's a great kid and a team leader but he doesnt have great instincts. That's probably his biggest weakness. I said that months ago and heard it again yesterday when the analysts said the same thing.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 2:45 pm    Post subject: Re: My Grade Reply with quote

MiBears4 wrote:
I thought both Kyle Long and Jon Bostic were reaches. The best value the Bears picked was Khaseem Greene followed by Cornelius Washington and Marquess Wilson (IMHO). Jordan Mills was picked about where he should have been. Overall I gave the Bears a C+.

As an FYI, the team that picked the best (value wise) was the Cardinals and the worst was the SeaHawks. I believe the Seattle had to many reaches.


Dallas blow them out the water in terms of terrible drafting...

Denver's was pretty bad as well.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 3:15 pm    Post subject: Other bad drafts Reply with quote

I think the Green Bay and NE didn't have good drafts. GB seemed to reach later in the draft with Kevin Dorsey, Charles Johnson, and Nate Palmer.

I think NE reached for Jamie Collins and Duron Harmon.

Dallas I had as having an average draft.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 8:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Madmike90 wrote:
Roadrunner wrote:
Madmike90 wrote:
Roadrunner wrote:
Madmike90 wrote:
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TankWilliams wrote:
Well he didn't have to tell people he was going to be drafted in the first round. He alluded to other teams talking to him, he had nothing to gain or lose by saying that he would have been a first round pick if the Bears didn't pick him.


Again...it's the guys dad...what are you expecting him to say when he is asked the question?...maybe another team was going to take him in the first round...and maybe he wasn't...we will never know because GMs aren't stupid enough to come out and say that...

Also Kyle Long himself said he was surprised to be drafted so high so teams weren't talking to him that much.


What did you expect him to say, "I deserved to be the number 1 pick of the draft?" Wink


I expected him to say nothing...just flow with it and get to Chicago to start working.


Then you should be very happy to know that is exactly what he has done.


Well obviously...maybe his dad should learn to to the same thing.


I suppose that is why Howie Long was interviewed. They must have wanted him to stand mute on camera.


Plenty of things he could have said other than blowing smoke about who else was looking to take him...he could have just done what Kyle did and spoke about how happy he was to be in Chicago.
Whereas Howie gets paid for running his mouth, he does not get paid to just make up crap. Kyle may have been an overreach as far as I am concerned he was not much of an overreach. Having been predicted to go any where from the bottom of the first to the third it is likely that his dad heard exactly what he said he had.

My grade is a B overall. Long and Bostic both a bit of an overreach compensated for by players who had been predicted to go higher: Greene (figured to be a 2d), Washington (3d or 4th) and Wilson around the 3d/4th).

And it addressed the positions we need addressed: G, LBs, WR, developmental OL and DL.

My guess is Emery will add a couple of more contributors after the post-draft cuts start.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 8:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not a terrible draft by any means. Created competition on the offensive line and at wide receiver and added depth at linebacker. Not flashy, but you know it's not a flashy draft when six guys who project as interior lineman go in the first round.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 29, 2013 1:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

IronMike84 wrote:
Not a terrible draft by any means. Created competition on the offensive line and at wide receiver and added depth at linebacker. Not flashy, but you know it's not a flashy draft when six guys who project as interior lineman go in the first round.
Relative to our division I think we lost ground in the draft (not entirely Emery's fault by any means) to Minnesota which, allowed by the insane Seattle trade, killed and Detroit. And we did not gain any ground on GB that I see.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 29, 2013 5:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm glad MadMike decided to act like a pompous jerk for half this thread, that made for an interesting read. Laughing

Anyway...

Kyle Long was an excellent pick, especially when you consider how the board was falling and the type of player that he is. Four game starter or not, guys with his athleticism don't come along very often especially at his size. He can play tackle or guard, has nastiness to his game and has clearly learned from his mistakes. We can whine about value all we want but it's pretty clear he was valued more by scouts than the media. I see nothing to knock the kid for other than inexperience.

Jon Bostic was a slight reach but it's not like we had a third rounder to fall back on. Everyone else provided terrific value at a position of need.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 29, 2013 8:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Selkiesxx wrote:
I'm glad MadMike decided to act like a pompous jerk for half this thread, that made for an interesting read. Laughing

Anyway...

Kyle Long was an excellent pick, especially when you consider how the board was falling and the type of player that he is. Four game starter or not, guys with his athleticism don't come along very often especially at his size. He can play tackle or guard, has nastiness to his game and has clearly learned from his mistakes. We can whine about value all we want but it's pretty clear he was valued more by scouts than the media. I see nothing to knock the kid for other than inexperience.

Jon Bostic was a slight reach but it's not like we had a third rounder to fall back on. Everyone else provided terrific value at a position of need.


Nothing pompous about telling it like it is.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 29, 2013 8:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What were the four games that Kyle Long played?
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 29, 2013 8:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Scala wrote:
What were the four games that Kyle Long played?


football, baseball, trivial pursuit and the game of thrones Laughing
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 29, 2013 8:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Scala wrote:
What were the four games that Kyle Long played?


He played in 11 games, but these are the four he started at LG in:

USC, Oregon St., Stanford, Arizona St.
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