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PostPosted: Sat Apr 27, 2013 8:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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You can trust them all you want but they are making some head scratching moves.


I agree, but it seems like a few teams after the Eagles wanted him as well. Browns called him or was on the phone with him, Cowboys was suppose to really like him.

If he can play NT 0/1 tech or 1/5 tech and do it well.


Teams wanted Danny Watkins as well...
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The guy is 6-2, 310 and looks it. I honestly can't see where the guy can bulk up. It's not like he he a tremendous athlete and carry the weight well without it affecting his game.
You can trust them all you want but they are making some head scratching moves.


They weren't my preferential choices but how are they head scratching moves?

We needed an OT and DT/DE. Ertz wasn't quite a need as such but he gives us a weapon like we haven't seen for a while. If we had drafted Tavon Austin, Larry Warford and Montee Ball, I could see why they'd be head scratchers.


Taking a Tackle, I expected and wanted.
TE? I see the need to upgrade but that can said of every position on this team other the RB. We have glaring needs and there were higher rated players available. We have plenty of weapons on offense and last I checked only 1 ball to spread around and no one to get that ball to the playmakers.
Bennie wasn't even the highest rated DT available. They drafted a guy and Kelly said, "I think he has the ability to get to the QB". Fine, except he has never shown that ability but there were guys available that have shown that ability. If that doesn't make you scratch your head then I have no clue what would.
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PowerElite wrote:
RainbowCarebear wrote:
birdman0069 wrote:
You can trust them all you want but they are making some head scratching moves.


I agree, but it seems like a few teams after the Eagles wanted him as well. Browns called him or was on the phone with him, Cowboys was suppose to really like him.

If he can play NT 0/1 tech or 1/5 tech and do it well.


Teams wanted Danny Watkins as well...


Your point is bust happens?
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It appears that all 3 picks were need based. The Eagles knew the positions and rounds they would draft these positions for some time now. They used free agency to make their need biased drafting strategy less desperate. It was obvious that the Eagles needed a backup NT. This is what they got in the guy from LSU.

What are your thoughts on the players we got?


I like the Lane pick, the other two guys are like eating healthy, you need to do it but it isn't the most satisfying. I certainly didn't have the LSU guy on my radar. The Stanford guy was needed I just like more explosive TEs when selecting that high.
Honestly were my first impressions as well.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 27, 2013 8:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Kempes wrote:
birdman0069 wrote:
The guy is 6-2, 310 and looks it. I honestly can't see where the guy can bulk up. It's not like he he a tremendous athlete and carry the weight well without it affecting his game.
You can trust them all you want but they are making some head scratching moves.


They weren't my preferential choices but how are they head scratching moves?

We needed an OT and DT/DE. Ertz wasn't quite a need as such but he gives us a weapon like we haven't seen for a while. If we had drafted Tavon Austin, Larry Warford and Montee Ball, I could see why they'd be head scratchers.


Taking a Tackle, I expected and wanted.
TE? I see the need to upgrade but that can said of every position on this team other the RB. We have glaring needs and there were higher rated players available. We have plenty of weapons on offense and last I checked only 1 ball to spread around and no one to get that ball to the playmakers.
Bennie wasn't even the highest rated DT available. They drafted a guy and Kelly said, "I think he has the ability to get to the QB". Fine, except he has never shown that ability but there were guys available that have shown that ability. If that doesn't make you scratch your head then I have no clue what would.


His versatility was clearly a big factor in his selection. No, he wasn't the top rated according to the big boards but with our scheme change, we're going to need versatile players on that line.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 27, 2013 8:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kempes wrote:
birdman0069 wrote:
Kempes wrote:
birdman0069 wrote:
The guy is 6-2, 310 and looks it. I honestly can't see where the guy can bulk up. It's not like he he a tremendous athlete and carry the weight well without it affecting his game.
You can trust them all you want but they are making some head scratching moves.


They weren't my preferential choices but how are they head scratching moves?

We needed an OT and DT/DE. Ertz wasn't quite a need as such but he gives us a weapon like we haven't seen for a while. If we had drafted Tavon Austin, Larry Warford and Montee Ball, I could see why they'd be head scratchers.


Taking a Tackle, I expected and wanted.
TE? I see the need to upgrade but that can said of every position on this team other the RB. We have glaring needs and there were higher rated players available. We have plenty of weapons on offense and last I checked only 1 ball to spread around and no one to get that ball to the playmakers.
Bennie wasn't even the highest rated DT available. They drafted a guy and Kelly said, "I think he has the ability to get to the QB". Fine, except he has never shown that ability but there were guys available that have shown that ability. If that doesn't make you scratch your head then I have no clue what would.


His versatility was clearly a big factor in his selection. No, he wasn't the top rated according to the big boards but with our scheme change, we're going to need versatile players on that line.


What versatility? Really, I'm asking. He's a 4/3 NT that was rotated heavily in and out of the game. That's all he did at LSU so when you watch the guy where do you see versatility?
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If you can't see how Bennie Logan could be a 3-4 end I don't know what to tell you. He's a little shorter than is typical for a 5-tech but he's got 34" arms. Very good at plugging gaps and freeing up others. He's very versatile and could see snaps at all three spots across the 3-4 line.

He anchored a very good LSU defense for two years straight. Had a potential first round season in 2011 followed by a slightly disappointing 2012. He played a number of different roles for the Tigers, they would let him penetrate sometimes, other times they'd make him play contain and others he'd be two gapping. Can do all that.

He's got pass rushing upside. He was a high school defensive end. Runs and moves well for a big man. Go to the 2012 National Championship game where he showed up against Chance Warmack. He also beat Luke Joeckel for a sack this past season. The guy is good.

Young. Athletic. Big. Strong. Hard working. Versatile. Logan is a stout gap plugger with upside as a 3, 5, 1 and 0 technique with some development.
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Ask Chip Kelly, he said it, not me. I think an NFL team who has devoted much more time than I have to scouting this man knows whether he's versatile or not.

The first word that came out of Chip's mouth when they interviewed him after the pick was "versatile". I think I'm gonna go with it. I haven't seen much of him at all but there's clearly some meaning to his selection and that was a big pull for us.
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Love this pick... Logan was doubled a LOT at LSU... but very rarely got washed out.

While scouting brockers, i came away more impressed with logan.

He's going to be a beast
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Meco wrote:
If you can't see how Bennie Logan could be a 3-4 end I don't know what to tell you. He's a little shorter than is typical for a 5-tech but he's got 34" arms. Very good at plugging gaps and freeing up others. He's very versatile and could see snaps at all three spots across the 3-4 line.

He anchored a very good LSU defense for two years straight. Had a potential first round season in 2011 followed by a slightly disappointing 2012. He played a number of different roles for the Tigers, they would let him penetrate sometimes, other times they'd make him play contain and others he'd be two gapping. Can do all that.

He's got pass rushing upside. He was a high school defensive end. Runs and moves well for a big man. Go to the 2012 National Championship game where he showed up against Chance Warmack. He also beat Luke Joeckel for a sack this past season. The guy is good.

Young. Athletic. Big. Strong. Hard working. Versatile. Logan is a stout gap plugger with upside as a 3, 5, 1 and 0 technique with some development.


I don't even know where to start. Do you just make this crap up?
First I can't see how anyone can view this kid as a 5 tech. He gets zero penetration so please explain to me how he is going to set the edge. This is my favorite, out and out, bold lie. He didn't anchor squat. He played 50 percent of the teams defensive snaps.
He doesn't move well for a big man, he has a good first step and then often gets stood straight up at the point of impact.
Who cares what he did in high school. Lane was a QB in high school. No one is saying, " maybe he could play QB at this level, he did it in high school".
This pick was a complete roll of the dice. Please don't try and justify by talking about the guys upside. Every player ever drafted has an upside. I have seen the kid play, live in person, on several occasions and he had no business coming out this year and no business being drafted in the third round. He is raw, unpolished, undisaplined and completely unproven for what Kelly said he sees for the guy.
This is why players bust coming out of college. Not because they are bad players, because of coaches. The guy is a 4/3 NT and has never shown ability at LSU to be anything more.
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RainbowCarebear wrote:
PowerElite wrote:
RainbowCarebear wrote:
birdman0069 wrote:
You can trust them all you want but they are making some head scratching moves.


I agree, but it seems like a few teams after the Eagles wanted him as well. Browns called him or was on the phone with him, Cowboys was suppose to really like him.

If he can play NT 0/1 tech or 1/5 tech and do it well.


Teams wanted Danny Watkins as well...


Your point is bust happens?


A bust is one thing, but some players like Danny Watkins were easy to see were not worthy of being a 1st round pick. Some teams just don't know what the hell they are doing. So we can't justify a move that the Eagles made by saying that two losing organizations like the current Cowboys and Browns wanted to make the same move. If the 49ers, Ravens or Seahawks wanted to make the same move then perhaps I would value their evaluation.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JF43lJ9HZM8

in this video the only thing i can see that needs work is technique. He has explosiveness and can shed blocks. Thats what i want on my team.
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PowerElite wrote:
RainbowCarebear wrote:
PowerElite wrote:
RainbowCarebear wrote:
birdman0069 wrote:
You can trust them all you want but they are making some head scratching moves.


I agree, but it seems like a few teams after the Eagles wanted him as well. Browns called him or was on the phone with him, Cowboys was suppose to really like him.

If he can play NT 0/1 tech or 1/5 tech and do it well.


Teams wanted Danny Watkins as well...


Your point is bust happens?


A bust is one thing, but some players like Danny Watkins were easy to see were not worthy of being a 1st round pick. Some teams just don't know what the hell they are doing. So we can't justify a move that the Eagles made by saying that two losing organizations like the current Cowboys and Browns wanted to make the same move. If the 49ers, Ravens or Seahawks wanted to make the same move then perhaps I would value their evaluation.


Well we have a former major front office guy from San Francisco, so maybe you should value the opinion.
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EaglesFan5-36-81 wrote:
PowerElite wrote:
RainbowCarebear wrote:
PowerElite wrote:
RainbowCarebear wrote:
birdman0069 wrote:
You can trust them all you want but they are making some head scratching moves.


I agree, but it seems like a few teams after the Eagles wanted him as well. Browns called him or was on the phone with him, Cowboys was suppose to really like him.

If he can play NT 0/1 tech or 1/5 tech and do it well.


Teams wanted Danny Watkins as well...


Your point is bust happens?


A bust is one thing, but some players like Danny Watkins were easy to see were not worthy of being a 1st round pick. Some teams just don't know what the hell they are doing. So we can't justify a move that the Eagles made by saying that two losing organizations like the current Cowboys and Browns wanted to make the same move. If the 49ers, Ravens or Seahawks wanted to make the same move then perhaps I would value their evaluation.


Well we have a former major front office guy from San Francisco, so maybe you should value the opinion.


People will truly say anything.
We have a CAP specialist from the 49'ers front office.
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birdman0069 wrote:
EaglesFan5-36-81 wrote:
PowerElite wrote:
RainbowCarebear wrote:
PowerElite wrote:
RainbowCarebear wrote:
birdman0069 wrote:
You can trust them all you want but they are making some head scratching moves.


I agree, but it seems like a few teams after the Eagles wanted him as well. Browns called him or was on the phone with him, Cowboys was suppose to really like him.

If he can play NT 0/1 tech or 1/5 tech and do it well.


Teams wanted Danny Watkins as well...


Your point is bust happens?


A bust is one thing, but some players like Danny Watkins were easy to see were not worthy of being a 1st round pick. Some teams just don't know what the hell they are doing. So we can't justify a move that the Eagles made by saying that two losing organizations like the current Cowboys and Browns wanted to make the same move. If the 49ers, Ravens or Seahawks wanted to make the same move then perhaps I would value their evaluation.


Well we have a former major front office guy from San Francisco, so maybe you should value the opinion.


People will truly say anything.
We have a CAP specialist from the 49'ers front office.


Uh tom gamble has an extensive scouting background.
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