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mcmurtry86


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 26, 2013 9:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PatriotsWin! wrote:
How's his motor and work ethic?


That was the knock on him, though I'm not sure there's much to it. He was the best (by far) player on an awful and very poorly coached defense.

Put him in New England with good leaders like Mayo and Wilfork and the youthful energy of Spikes (et al) and I think Collins will have no issues with his motor.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 26, 2013 9:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PatriotsWin! wrote:
How's his motor and work ethic?

His motor is one of the knocks on him... he runs hot and cold. When he's running hot though, he can destroy an offense single-handedly. The Pats haven't had a potential game-changer like him on defense in a long time.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 26, 2013 9:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Richter wrote:
PatriotsWin! wrote:
How's his motor and work ethic?

His motor is one of the knocks on him... he runs hot and cold. When he's running hot though, he can destroy an offense single-handedly. The Pats haven't had a potential game-changer like him on defense in a long time.
key word being potential here
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I love your style.

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Deadpulse wrote:
Canadian_Patriot wrote:
Deadpulse wrote:
Rocking a new look


I love your style.

If you make me an identical (colour appropriate) Aaron Dobson sig, I'll kiss ya! Laughing




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PostPosted: Fri Apr 26, 2013 9:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BP wrote:
Richter wrote:
PatriotsWin! wrote:
How's his motor and work ethic?

His motor is one of the knocks on him... he runs hot and cold. When he's running hot though, he can destroy an offense single-handedly. The Pats haven't had a potential game-changer like him on defense in a long time.
key word being potential here

The same could be said for every other player taken in the draft. Collins is a much safer pick to me than many guys, though.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 26, 2013 9:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Richter wrote:
BP wrote:
Richter wrote:
PatriotsWin! wrote:
How's his motor and work ethic?

His motor is one of the knocks on him... he runs hot and cold. When he's running hot though, he can destroy an offense single-handedly. The Pats haven't had a potential game-changer like him on defense in a long time.
key word being potential here

The same could be said for every other player taken in the draft. Collins is a much safer pick to me than many guys, though.
I'll suscribe to the Jason Taylor/DeMarcus Ware ceiling type comparisons for Jamie Collins and I'm definitely hedging on the side of excited for what the can bring to the team than reserved, but, BUT, I don't think he'll reach that... plateau so to speak.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 26, 2013 9:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Billy Spikes wrote:
Deadpulse wrote:
Canadian_Patriot wrote:
Deadpulse wrote:
Rocking a new look


I love your style.

If you make me an identical (colour appropriate) Aaron Dobson sig, I'll kiss ya! Laughing




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KISS!


Full on make out! Thanks man, I shall rock it with pride.

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Billy Spikes


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 26, 2013 10:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

How isn't this posted here?

Richter wrote:
1. Jamie Collins, DE/OLB, MEI 89.05 The freak, end of story. 41.5 inch vertical, 11 foot, 7 inch broad jump, along with elite short shuttle and 10 yard split times, all at 250 pounds, with a long, high cut frame. Since the advent of the rankings, he outpaces every prospect I've seen, including the most elite prospects (the all-time top five of J.J. Watt, DeMarcus Ware, Cameron Wake, Julius Peppers and Mario Williams, two of which are no longer in that top five), posting incredible leaping numbers for a prospect with his size. Thankfully, unlike some recent high scorers from small schools, he actually has the production to match his prodigious test results, including 21 career sacks and 44 tackles-for-loss, most of which came standing up as a linebacker. His role shifted towards that of a hybrid end/linebacker for his senior season, which should help him translate to the NFL as an edge rusher, likely for a 3-4 defense. The biggest knocks against him are inconsistency, both in terms of effort and strength at the point of attack, the level of competition coming out of Conference USA, and a lack of experience playing with his hand on the ground (though he did do some of that at Southern Miss). But unless his functional strength becomes a major issue at the pro level, or some team stupidly tries to play him as an end from day one, it's hard to see how he'll fail as a pass rusher. Annual double digit sacks should be a reality for him, even if he never develops into anything but a rush specialist at the next level.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 26, 2013 11:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My question is, if he has this type of athleticism that we'd only see in elite prospects.. why did he fall so far?
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 26, 2013 11:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

pats83 wrote:
My question is, if he has this type of athleticism that we'd only see in elite prospects.. why did he fall so far?


Questions about his motor, played in C-USA.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 26, 2013 11:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Canadian_Patriot wrote:
Billy Spikes wrote:
Deadpulse wrote:
Canadian_Patriot wrote:
Deadpulse wrote:
Rocking a new look


I love your style.

If you make me an identical (colour appropriate) Aaron Dobson sig, I'll kiss ya! Laughing




Code:
[img]http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/4320/dobson.png[/img]


KISS!


Full on make out! Thanks man, I shall rock it with pride.

CP


I beat you guys to it, but I don't post much so no one will notice Laughing

I had really no clue about this guy until I came here, to see mcmurtry and Richter give him so much praise kind of scares me.
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Richter


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 26, 2013 11:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mcmurtry86 wrote:
pats83 wrote:
My question is, if he has this type of athleticism that we'd only see in elite prospects.. why did he fall so far?


Questions about his motor, played in C-USA.

That's the big one. But DeMarcus Ware came from Troy, which is in the Sun Belt Conference, which is even lower on the totem pole than Conference USA. Also, there are a lot of stupid GMs.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 26, 2013 11:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This was one of the best picks of the draft. I am really going to hate having to root against Collins. I think he's better than Jarvis Jones who went an entire round earlier.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 26, 2013 11:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I really wish I could find my post on here where I said Belichick might covet Collins so he could have another LT to work with. Pretty sure it was in one of the irrelevant threads, but I can't find it.
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