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Billy Spikes


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 3:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NextBigThing wrote:
Richter wrote:
NextBigThing wrote:
They both run on their toes, gradually shifting in and out of gear as a situation calls for it, playing off the defender to achieve maximum separation.

Wow, I can't believe I'm saying this, but I totally agree with NBT. The toe running really stands out too. They both love to run with a toe strike-heel strike motion early in their routes, so they can redirect quickly when they are going to break. Along with the slight outward turn of the foot while in full stride, that's where a lot of the similarity in appearance comes from.


This is a style of play, though. Dobson doesn't come close to Moss's speed. Dobson will never routinely abuse double coverage like Moss.

But, like Moss, Dobson should be lethal on double moves. He should excel on misdirection routes. But don't expect him to grit his teeth and take off like a rocket like Moss would do when he decided to.


Awesome, so were getting the 2007-2009 version of Moss??

When Moss joined the Patriots he was a 4.40 flat guy at best, he wasn't the 4.2 guy from early in his career, and as we know Moss was of those seasons [2007-2009] was incredible.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 3:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, we're not getting 2007s Randy Moss. Moss was smarter than Dobson, played with FAR more confidence than Dobson, was taller and had significantly better top speed.

Dobson is a bit quicker now than Moss was then, though.

Billy Spikes wrote:
When Moss joined the Patriots he was a 4.40 flat guy at best


wut

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyZpPAzHUKE&t=0m12s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyZpPAzHUKE&t=7m54s

http://www.jetsinsider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=143103

He ran a 4.29 in front of Belichick.

I dont want to hijack the thread, but Moss was faster 4.2 early in his career. I would bet Moss runs under a 4.4 right now. His straight line speed is still awesome. 40 times don't even do Moss justice, though. His top speed was tracked at 26 MPH n 2009 on SNF, which is like a 3.75 40 times. In his prime, his top speed was a bit faster than 26. Laughing
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Well, without "hijacking the thread", the Moss that joined the Patriots was noticeably slower than the Moss of the Vikings.

And obviously, he was still great.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 3:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Well, without "hijacking the thread", the Moss that joined the Patriots was noticeably slower than the Moss of the Vikings.


I know. He ran a 4.29 as opposed to the 4.15 he ran in 2001 training camp. Moss today probably runs a 4.40 ish.

But, we ARE probably getting the most physically gifted receiver Brady has ever had NOT named Moss. Wink That includes guys like Stallworth, Brown, Givens, etc.
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I think Richters point is even more obvious if you watch clips of Moss when he was coming into the draft per ESPN

-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjS_nBsuRWE
-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZAf1QUfqCY


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If history is any indication, Marshall receivers under Belichick have had a lot of success.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 3:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would bet Dobson runs slants verrry similar, only without the uncanny Usain Bolt impression at the end.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxnOS89wGdY

Billy Spikes wrote:
NextBigThing wrote:
I think Richters point is even more obvious if you watch clips of Moss when he was coming into the draft per ESPN

-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjS_nBsuRWE
-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZAf1QUfqCY


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Laughing I feel dumb for knowing who that is, but no.



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If history is any indication, Marshall receivers under Belichick have had a lot of success.


Moss was already a star in the league and Troy Brown had already become a useful player. I don't know that we can draw too many conclusions from either of them. Was there someone I'm forgetting?
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mcmurtry86 wrote:
Billy Spikes wrote:
If history is any indication, Marshall receivers under Belichick have had a lot of success.


Moss was already a star in the league and Troy Brown had already become a useful player. I don't know that we can draw too many conclusions from either of them. Was there someone I'm forgetting?


You really don't need to look too much into that comment, i was just joking, i really don't believe that the fact Dobson is from Marshall makes him more or less likely to have success under Belichick
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Billy Spikes wrote:
mcmurtry86 wrote:
Billy Spikes wrote:
If history is any indication, Marshall receivers under Belichick have had a lot of success.


Moss was already a star in the league and Troy Brown had already become a useful player. I don't know that we can draw too many conclusions from either of them. Was there someone I'm forgetting?


You really don't need to look too much into that comment, i was just joking, i really don't believe that the fact Dobson is from Marshall makes him more or less likely to have success under Belichick


Ah ok. I had heard a few people (including Mayock I think) say similar things and thought maybe I was overlooking someone.
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mcmurtry86 wrote:
Billy Spikes wrote:
mcmurtry86 wrote:
Billy Spikes wrote:
If history is any indication, Marshall receivers under Belichick have had a lot of success.


Moss was already a star in the league and Troy Brown had already become a useful player. I don't know that we can draw too many conclusions from either of them. Was there someone I'm forgetting?


You really don't need to look too much into that comment, i was just joking, i really don't believe that the fact Dobson is from Marshall makes him more or less likely to have success under Belichick


Ah ok. I had heard a few people (including Mayock I think) say similar things and thought maybe I was overlooking someone.


After checking, Belichick never coached any player from Marshall [on an official final roster], regardless of position other than Troy Brown, Randy Moss and punter Chris Hanson.
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Billy Spikes wrote:
mcmurtry86 wrote:
Billy Spikes wrote:
mcmurtry86 wrote:
Billy Spikes wrote:
If history is any indication, Marshall receivers under Belichick have had a lot of success.


Moss was already a star in the league and Troy Brown had already become a useful player. I don't know that we can draw too many conclusions from either of them. Was there someone I'm forgetting?


You really don't need to look too much into that comment, i was just joking, i really don't believe that the fact Dobson is from Marshall makes him more or less likely to have success under Belichick


Ah ok. I had heard a few people (including Mayock I think) say similar things and thought maybe I was overlooking someone.


After checking, Belichick never coached any player from Marshall [on an official final roster], regardless of position other than Troy Brown, Randy Moss and punter Chris Hanson.


Jermaine Wiggins
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mcmurtry86 wrote:
Billy Spikes wrote:
mcmurtry86 wrote:
Billy Spikes wrote:
mcmurtry86 wrote:
Billy Spikes wrote:
If history is any indication, Marshall receivers under Belichick have had a lot of success.


Moss was already a star in the league and Troy Brown had already become a useful player. I don't know that we can draw too many conclusions from either of them. Was there someone I'm forgetting?


You really don't need to look too much into that comment, i was just joking, i really don't believe that the fact Dobson is from Marshall makes him more or less likely to have success under Belichick


Ah ok. I had heard a few people (including Mayock I think) say similar things and thought maybe I was overlooking someone.


After checking, Belichick never coached any player from Marshall [on an official final roster], regardless of position other than Troy Brown, Randy Moss and punter Chris Hanson.


Jermaine Wiggins


His college is listed as Georgia everywhere, it's where he finished his college career after transferring from Marshall.
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Billy Spikes wrote:
mcmurtry86 wrote:
Billy Spikes wrote:
mcmurtry86 wrote:
Billy Spikes wrote:
mcmurtry86 wrote:
Billy Spikes wrote:
If history is any indication, Marshall receivers under Belichick have had a lot of success.


Moss was already a star in the league and Troy Brown had already become a useful player. I don't know that we can draw too many conclusions from either of them. Was there someone I'm forgetting?


You really don't need to look too much into that comment, i was just joking, i really don't believe that the fact Dobson is from Marshall makes him more or less likely to have success under Belichick


Ah ok. I had heard a few people (including Mayock I think) say similar things and thought maybe I was overlooking someone.


After checking, Belichick never coached any player from Marshall [on an official final roster], regardless of position other than Troy Brown, Randy Moss and punter Chris Hanson.


Jermaine Wiggins


His college is listed as Georgia everywhere, it's where he finished his college career after transferring from Marshall.


He still played at Marshall for two years and played under Belichick. Wink
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mcmurtry86 wrote:
Billy Spikes wrote:
mcmurtry86 wrote:
Billy Spikes wrote:
mcmurtry86 wrote:
Billy Spikes wrote:
mcmurtry86 wrote:
Billy Spikes wrote:
If history is any indication, Marshall receivers under Belichick have had a lot of success.


Moss was already a star in the league and Troy Brown had already become a useful player. I don't know that we can draw too many conclusions from either of them. Was there someone I'm forgetting?


You really don't need to look too much into that comment, i was just joking, i really don't believe that the fact Dobson is from Marshall makes him more or less likely to have success under Belichick


Ah ok. I had heard a few people (including Mayock I think) say similar things and thought maybe I was overlooking someone.


After checking, Belichick never coached any player from Marshall [on an official final roster], regardless of position other than Troy Brown, Randy Moss and punter Chris Hanson.


Jermaine Wiggins


His college is listed as Georgia everywhere, it's where he finished his college career after transferring from Marshall.


He still played at Marshall for two years and played under Belichick. Wink


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