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PostPosted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 1:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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You know, this is going to sound exceedingly trite, but watching his film, Dobson reminds me of Randy Moss. Not as a receiver necessarily, nor is he the same caliber of athlete, but his lower body build, the way he moves, his body control in tight quarters are all reminiscent. I hadn't watched much of him (or any receivers, aside from the few guys I already liked), but now that I am, it's kind of uncanny, with him attending Marshall and all. At the Senior Bowl practices, the way he taps his toes when making a move, the hip rotation when he's breaking inside to catch a quick slant, the long striding down the field; they all look like Moss. Very similar gait while running, too.





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PostPosted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 1:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Richter wrote:
You know, this is going to sound exceedingly trite, but watching his film, Dobson reminds me of Randy Moss. Not as a receiver necessarily, nor is he the same caliber of athlete, but his lower body build, the way he moves, his body control in tight quarters are all reminiscent. I hadn't watched much of him (or any receivers, aside from the few guys I already liked), but now that I am, it's kind of uncanny, with him attending Marshall and all. At the Senior Bowl practices, the way he taps his toes when making a move, the hip rotation when he's breaking inside to catch a quick slant, the long striding down the field; they all look like Moss. Very similar gait while running, too.


T-Minus 1 hour until NBT reads this and explodes.


Can't be. He isn't Cordarrelle Patterson.

You must be confused... To NBT...

Moss is here above everyone
















Here's CP....






Then the rest....I hope Dobson proves to us all he is dynamic.
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Richter wrote:
You know, this is going to sound exceedingly trite, but watching his film, Dobson reminds me of Randy Moss. Not as a receiver necessarily, nor is he the same caliber of athlete, but his lower body build, the way he moves, his body control in tight quarters are all reminiscent. I hadn't watched much of him (or any receivers, aside from the few guys I already liked), but now that I am, it's kind of uncanny, with him attending Marshall and all. At the Senior Bowl practices, the way he taps his toes when making a move, the hip rotation when he's breaking inside to catch a quick slant, the long striding down the field; they all look like Moss. Very similar gait while running, too.


I have another one...

So Dobson likes to push off too?
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Richter wrote:
You know, this is going to sound exceedingly trite, but watching his film, Dobson reminds me of Randy Moss. Not as a receiver necessarily, nor is he the same caliber of athlete, but his lower body build, the way he moves, his body control in tight quarters are all reminiscent. I hadn't watched much of him (or any receivers, aside from the few guys I already liked), but now that I am, it's kind of uncanny, with him attending Marshall and all. At the Senior Bowl practices, the way he taps his toes when making a move, the hip rotation when he's breaking inside to catch a quick slant, the long striding down the field; they all look like Moss. Very similar gait while running, too.






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PostPosted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 1:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Richter wrote:
You know, this is going to sound exceedingly trite, but watching his film, Dobson reminds me of Randy Moss. Not as a receiver necessarily, nor is he the same caliber of athlete, but his lower body build, the way he moves, his body control in tight quarters are all reminiscent. I hadn't watched much of him (or any receivers, aside from the few guys I already liked), but now that I am, it's kind of uncanny, with him attending Marshall and all. At the Senior Bowl practices, the way he taps his toes when making a move, the hip rotation when he's breaking inside to catch a quick slant, the long striding down the field; they all look like Moss. Very similar gait while running, too.


I have another one...

So Dobson likes to push off too?

Yeah, he does, and he's also good at not extending his arms while doing it so he doesn't get called for OPI, which is reminiscent of Moss. They're definitely different receivers, but the similarities with some of these traits are striking.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 1:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Richter wrote:
You know, this is going to sound exceedingly trite, but watching his film, Dobson reminds me of Randy Moss. Not as a receiver necessarily, nor is he the same caliber of athlete, but his lower body build, the way he moves, his body control in tight quarters are all reminiscent. I hadn't watched much of him (or any receivers, aside from the few guys I already liked), but now that I am, it's kind of uncanny, with him attending Marshall and all. At the Senior Bowl practices, the way he taps his toes when making a move, the hip rotation when he's breaking inside to catch a quick slant, the long striding down the field; they all look like Moss. Very similar gait while running, too.


They both have very, very small/slight skeletal builds. As a result, pound for pound, they're incredibly strong, quick as a cat even for their size, very and light on the feet. They both run on the toes/balls of their feet, and with their feet very close together, effortlessly shifted their weight from one side to the other in the blink of an eye. The best comparison I can think of is "grey hound". The exact same thing - lean, fast twitch muscle on tiny bones. Rajon Rondo is only other big time athlete who is built this way that I can think of.

The result is a tall athlete with incredible quickness; quickness to such a degree that they can be going at 50%, taking choppy, short strides, and still be moving quite fast. When they open their stride, they can go from fast to VERY fast in a very short period of time. Moss mastered the art of utilizing this when he was probably like, 10. The result is that effect where the player seems to just 'explode' up field.

Of course, Moss combined this incredible quickness & light footedness with leg length of someone who is closer to 6'9, which made his top speed completely outrageous. Plus, he was just far quicker in general than Dobson is.

I can see what Richter is saying, though Dobson isn't really close to Moss in any measurable way. If Moss raced Dobson today, Moss would win by a decent amount. Dobson would eat him alive at agility drills, though. Certainly wasn't always the case.

I think Richters point is even more obvious if you watch clips of Moss when he was coming into the draft per ESPN

-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjS_nBsuRWE
-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZAf1QUfqCY

They both run on their toes, gradually shifting in and out of gear as a situation calls for it, playing off the defender to achieve maximum separation. That said, dont expect any of these



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That was not a push off. The DB was interfering, Dobson locks his outside arm at the elbow and lets it ride over the shoulder of the defender, but doesn't push at all. The DB falls back because he thinks he's going to catch the ball before Dobson snatches it.
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Bradys going to love his hands and fight for the ball in the endzone..So talented!

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They both run on their toes, gradually shifting in and out of gear as a situation calls for it, playing off the defender to achieve maximum separation.

Wow, I can't believe I'm saying this, but I totally agree with NBT. The toe running really stands out too. They both love to run with a toe strike-heel strike motion early in their routes, so they can redirect quickly when they are going to break. Along with the slight outward turn of the foot while in full stride, that's where a lot of the similarity in appearance comes from.
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That was not a push off. The DB was interfering, Dobson locks his outside arm at the elbow and lets it ride over the shoulder of the defender, but doesn't push at all. The DB falls back because he thinks he's going to catch the ball before Dobson snatches it.


Oh, i was just posting a gif, wasn't in relation to your post.

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NextBigThing wrote:
They both run on their toes, gradually shifting in and out of gear as a situation calls for it, playing off the defender to achieve maximum separation.

Wow, I can't believe I'm saying this, but I totally agree with NBT. The toe running really stands out too. They both love to run with a toe strike-heel strike motion early in their routes, so they can redirect quickly when they are going to break. Along with the slight outward turn of the foot while in full stride, that's where a lot of the similarity in appearance comes from.


This is a style of play, though. Dobson doesn't come close to Moss's speed. Dobson will never routinely abuse double coverage like Moss.

But, like Moss, Dobson should be lethal on double moves. He should excel on misdirection routes. But don't expect him to grit his teeth and take off like a rocket like Moss would do when he decided to. Dobson takes 4 steps for about every 3 Moss took. The top speed is not even remotely close.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0AhUAgSqy-U

The first play of that link is where he resembles Moss the most in my eyes. You can see how he starts off running about 70% and the defender react to THAT speed, and then when he goes up to 100% by extending his stride, he pulls away.

Highly, highly effective. A 4.7 type guy who is a master of that art can be a very serviceable deep threat. Give that skill to a 4.4 guy, and you have a back breaker. Give it to a 4.1, 6'4 guy, and you have the GOAT. Very Happy
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NextBigThing wrote:
Richter wrote:
NextBigThing wrote:
They both run on their toes, gradually shifting in and out of gear as a situation calls for it, playing off the defender to achieve maximum separation.

Wow, I can't believe I'm saying this, but I totally agree with NBT. The toe running really stands out too. They both love to run with a toe strike-heel strike motion early in their routes, so they can redirect quickly when they are going to break. Along with the slight outward turn of the foot while in full stride, that's where a lot of the similarity in appearance comes from.


This is a style of play, though. Dobson doesn't come close to Moss's speed. Dobson will never routinely abuse double coverage like Moss.

But, like Moss, Dobson should be lethal on double moves. He should excel on misdirection routes. But don't expect him to grit his teeth and take off like a rocket like Moss would do when he decided to.

It's not just a style of play, it's a bio-mechanical issue. That high cut build with long legs and a decent degree of knee rotation and range of motion are necessary to run that way. Dobson may not have Moss' top end speed, but he has the same ability to run over his toes and then shift to long striding once he's made his move. It really shows up in his senior bowl footage.
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