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PostPosted: Mon Apr 29, 2013 1:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

IronMike84 wrote:
And again, I'd like to note that Long has the intensity of a serial killer compared to Webb.
Most serial killers are not wild eyed lunatics (not saying Kyle is this) but ordinary schmucks one would not look twice at on the street. That is how they get away with it as long as they do. They are more likely to resemble "Dr." H.H. Holmes than Ditka.
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wiscbearsfan wrote:
IronMike84 wrote:
And again, I'd like to note that Long has the intensity of a serial killer compared to Webb.


Speaking of Webb, I know the general tenor has been that he had an adequate year at LT and many people expect more from him in a move to RT but is it conceivable that he is on the bench or off the team (traded or released ) by the time the season comes around? It is conceivable our coaches will lose their minds but very unlikely.

They have added so many players through FA and the draft I can't help thinking that perhaps even a guy we thought could be a plus ends up losing his job completely.

At this stage I expect him to contribute but right now very little is set in stone. Bushrod at LT and Garza at C and that's it.
Webb has started for three straight years and has shown excellent durability. He would not be unemployed for a day should the Bears get stupid. You don't throw away players who have shown they can start game after game. That is EXACTLY what you are looking for for an NFL player. And he is still young. I would cut Bushrod before Webb.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 29, 2013 2:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ChicagoAl wrote:
wiscbearsfan wrote:
IronMike84 wrote:
And again, I'd like to note that Long has the intensity of a serial killer compared to Webb.


Speaking of Webb, I know the general tenor has been that he had an adequate year at LT and many people expect more from him in a move to RT but is it conceivable that he is on the bench or off the team (traded or released ) by the time the season comes around? It is conceivable our coaches will lose their minds but very unlikely.

They have added so many players through FA and the draft I can't help thinking that perhaps even a guy we thought could be a plus ends up losing his job completely.

At this stage I expect him to contribute but right now very little is set in stone. Bushrod at LT and Garza at C and that's it.
Webb has started for three straight years and has shown excellent durability. He would not be unemployed for a day should the Bears get stupid. You don't throw away players who have shown they can start game after game. That is EXACTLY what you are looking for for an NFL player. And he is still young. I would cut Bushrod before Webb.


So you'd cut a Pro Bowler and the 2011 leader in snaps taken before you'd cut Webb, who, prior to last year was the WORST lineman in the NFL?

This is why you aren't an NFL GM, right there.
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ChicagoAl wrote:
wiscbearsfan wrote:
IronMike84 wrote:
And again, I'd like to note that Long has the intensity of a serial killer compared to Webb.


Speaking of Webb, I know the general tenor has been that he had an adequate year at LT and many people expect more from him in a move to RT but is it conceivable that he is on the bench or off the team (traded or released ) by the time the season comes around? It is conceivable our coaches will lose their minds but very unlikely.

They have added so many players through FA and the draft I can't help thinking that perhaps even a guy we thought could be a plus ends up losing his job completely.

At this stage I expect him to contribute but right now very little is set in stone. Bushrod at LT and Garza at C and that's it.
Webb has started for three straight years and has shown excellent durability. He would not be unemployed for a day should the Bears get stupid. You don't throw away players who have shown they can start game after game. That is EXACTLY what you are looking for for an NFL player. And he is still young. I would cut Bushrod before Webb.


Wait, Webb is a pretty solid player, he just can't play LT at this point in his career. But to say you'd cut Bushrod over Webb is stupid. Why? So we can move Webb back to LT and struggle to find a RT? Great idea!
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TexasBearsFan wrote:
ChicagoAl wrote:
wiscbearsfan wrote:
IronMike84 wrote:
And again, I'd like to note that Long has the intensity of a serial killer compared to Webb.


Speaking of Webb, I know the general tenor has been that he had an adequate year at LT and many people expect more from him in a move to RT but is it conceivable that he is on the bench or off the team (traded or released ) by the time the season comes around? It is conceivable our coaches will lose their minds but very unlikely.

They have added so many players through FA and the draft I can't help thinking that perhaps even a guy we thought could be a plus ends up losing his job completely.

At this stage I expect him to contribute but right now very little is set in stone. Bushrod at LT and Garza at C and that's it.
Webb has started for three straight years and has shown excellent durability. He would not be unemployed for a day should the Bears get stupid. You don't throw away players who have shown they can start game after game. That is EXACTLY what you are looking for for an NFL player. And he is still young. I would cut Bushrod before Webb.


So you'd cut a Pro Bowler and the 2011 leader in snaps taken before you'd cut Webb, who, prior to last year was the WORST lineman in the NFL?

This is why you aren't an NFL GM, right there.


Well, there's a reason you aren't one either....

Bushrod and Webb have nearly identical grades at LT... despite Bushrod being a "probowler".... One could argue getting Bushrod was actually one of the worst moves of our offseason, since he's getting roughly 7x more money than Webb, and statistically is almost the same player.

Now, don't get me wrong, I'm not a Webb supporter (at all), but his ability to avoid being injured has value, as does the fact he's getting paid peanuts, comparatively. It wouldn't surprise me at all if Bushrod goes before Webb, actually (assuming Long steps up, and/or there's no major changes in Bushrod's/Webb's performance levels)
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Epyon wrote:
TexasBearsFan wrote:
ChicagoAl wrote:
wiscbearsfan wrote:
IronMike84 wrote:
And again, I'd like to note that Long has the intensity of a serial killer compared to Webb.


Speaking of Webb, I know the general tenor has been that he had an adequate year at LT and many people expect more from him in a move to RT but is it conceivable that he is on the bench or off the team (traded or released ) by the time the season comes around? It is conceivable our coaches will lose their minds but very unlikely.

They have added so many players through FA and the draft I can't help thinking that perhaps even a guy we thought could be a plus ends up losing his job completely.

At this stage I expect him to contribute but right now very little is set in stone. Bushrod at LT and Garza at C and that's it.
Webb has started for three straight years and has shown excellent durability. He would not be unemployed for a day should the Bears get stupid. You don't throw away players who have shown they can start game after game. That is EXACTLY what you are looking for for an NFL player. And he is still young. I would cut Bushrod before Webb.


So you'd cut a Pro Bowler and the 2011 leader in snaps taken before you'd cut Webb, who, prior to last year was the WORST lineman in the NFL?

This is why you aren't an NFL GM, right there.


Well, there's a reason you aren't one either....

Bushrod and Webb have nearly identical grades at LT... despite Bushrod being a "probowler".... One could argue getting Bushrod was actually one of the worst moves of our offseason, since he's getting roughly 7x more money than Webb, and statistically is almost the same player.

Now, don't get me wrong, I'm not a Webb supporter (at all), but his ability to avoid being injured has value, as does the fact he's getting paid peanuts, comparatively. It wouldn't surprise me at all if Bushrod goes before Webb, actually (assuming Long steps up, and/or there's no major changes in Bushrod's/Webb's performance levels)


That is also because Webb is still on his rookie contract. I think 1-3 years Long can step up and start at RT and maybe after that move to LT.
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TexasBearsFan wrote:
ChicagoAl wrote:
wiscbearsfan wrote:
IronMike84 wrote:
And again, I'd like to note that Long has the intensity of a serial killer compared to Webb.


Speaking of Webb, I know the general tenor has been that he had an adequate year at LT and many people expect more from him in a move to RT but is it conceivable that he is on the bench or off the team (traded or released ) by the time the season comes around? It is conceivable our coaches will lose their minds but very unlikely.

They have added so many players through FA and the draft I can't help thinking that perhaps even a guy we thought could be a plus ends up losing his job completely.

At this stage I expect him to contribute but right now very little is set in stone. Bushrod at LT and Garza at C and that's it.
Webb has started for three straight years and has shown excellent durability. He would not be unemployed for a day should the Bears get stupid. You don't throw away players who have shown they can start game after game. That is EXACTLY what you are looking for for an NFL player. And he is still young. I would cut Bushrod before Webb.


So you'd cut a Pro Bowler and the 2011 leader in snaps taken before you'd cut Webb, who, prior to last year was the WORST lineman in the NFL?

This is why you aren't an NFL GM, right there.
No, it is because of a conspiracy created to keep unknowns out of the league.

Bushrod's best days are behind him whereas Webbs are still ahead of him. And as the earlier poster noted there is not much difference between the two certainly not 700%.

When your offense puts up yardage and points at a far greater rate than that of the Bears it is easy to lead in "snaps taken". Webb missed no offensive snaps so that is all HE can do in that regard.
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Epyon wrote:
TexasBearsFan wrote:
ChicagoAl wrote:
wiscbearsfan wrote:
IronMike84 wrote:
And again, I'd like to note that Long has the intensity of a serial killer compared to Webb.


Speaking of Webb, I know the general tenor has been that he had an adequate year at LT and many people expect more from him in a move to RT but is it conceivable that he is on the bench or off the team (traded or released ) by the time the season comes around? It is conceivable our coaches will lose their minds but very unlikely.

They have added so many players through FA and the draft I can't help thinking that perhaps even a guy we thought could be a plus ends up losing his job completely.

At this stage I expect him to contribute but right now very little is set in stone. Bushrod at LT and Garza at C and that's it.
Webb has started for three straight years and has shown excellent durability. He would not be unemployed for a day should the Bears get stupid. You don't throw away players who have shown they can start game after game. That is EXACTLY what you are looking for for an NFL player. And he is still young. I would cut Bushrod before Webb.


So you'd cut a Pro Bowler and the 2011 leader in snaps taken before you'd cut Webb, who, prior to last year was the WORST lineman in the NFL?

This is why you aren't an NFL GM, right there.


Well, there's a reason you aren't one either....

Bushrod and Webb have nearly identical grades at LT... despite Bushrod being a "probowler".... One could argue getting Bushrod was actually one of the worst moves of our offseason, since he's getting roughly 7x more money than Webb, and statistically is almost the same player.

Now, don't get me wrong, I'm not a Webb supporter (at all), but his ability to avoid being injured has value, as does the fact he's getting paid peanuts, comparatively. It wouldn't surprise me at all if Bushrod goes before Webb, actually (assuming Long steps up, and/or there's no major changes in Bushrod's/Webb's performance levels)
I see no reason not to think Webb is going to continue to improve whereas Bushrod won't get much better, if any. I do not believe signing him for that much was any great deal for anyone but him but we'll see.
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The Saints threw a lot more than we did. To make the evaluation that Bushrod is worse than Webb with only stats is silly.
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I am normally pretty pessimistic about our picks but I have a really good feint about Long and I am excited about what he is going to do.
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I just want to reiterate this again..

Last year:

LT: Webb
LG: Rachal, Brown
C: Garza, E. Williams
RG: Louis, Spencer
RT: Carimi, Jon Scott

This year:

LT: Jermon Bushrod
RG: Chris Long, James Brown
C: Garza, Edwin Williams
RG: Matt Slauson
RT: Webb, Mills
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thebeast15 wrote:
I just want to reiterate this again..

Last year:

LT: Webb
LG: Rachal, Brown
C: Garza, E. Williams
RG: Louis, Spencer
RT: Carimi, Jon Scott

This year:

LT: Jermon Bushrod
RG: Chris Long, James Brown
C: Garza, Edwin Williams
RG: Matt Slauson
RT: Webb, Mills

That's a huge gamble, playing two RGs is going to leave a big hole somewhere between our center and our LT, and turning a D-lineman into an O-lineman over the off-season Laughing

I know what you mean though, we've upgraded four out of the five positions on the OL from last season. Love how we've just had a complete overhaul, it was needed.
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justo wrote:
Kyle Long wanted to come back and play with Oregon after only starting a few games for the Ducks due to injury. He was already rated pretty highly before this, and he could have just lived off his dad's name to be drafted. This isn't the NFL where you get a bunch of bucks by staying in school and getting better, anymore. Plus, I don't know how much higher a body type like his could have gotten drafted. He honestly wants to get better as a football player. He petitioned the NCAA to give him another year, but he was turned down. People can give him crap for being too raw after only really getting playing time in a half a season, or not having a LT body, or "living off his dad's name", but he's honestly trying to get better, and you can't coach that. He's a project LG, IMO, at this point, but I wouldn't bet against him.
I agree he wants to become better. I just wouldn't wanna reach on him as a Lions fan at #20.
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ChicagoAl wrote:
wiscbearsfan wrote:
IronMike84 wrote:
And again, I'd like to note that Long has the intensity of a serial killer compared to Webb.


Speaking of Webb, I know the general tenor has been that he had an adequate year at LT and many people expect more from him in a move to RT but is it conceivable that he is on the bench or off the team (traded or released ) by the time the season comes around? It is conceivable our coaches will lose their minds but very unlikely.

They have added so many players through FA and the draft I can't help thinking that perhaps even a guy we thought could be a plus ends up losing his job completely.

At this stage I expect him to contribute but right now very little is set in stone. Bushrod at LT and Garza at C and that's it.
Webb has started for three straight years and has shown excellent durability. He would not be unemployed for a day should the Bears get stupid. You don't throw away players who have shown they can start game after game. That is EXACTLY what you are looking for for an NFL player. And he is still young. I would cut Bushrod before Webb.



You are crazy. Cut Bushrod for Webb. You cant teach a O line men to have fire and thats what Webb is missing, He is way to nice he needs some ugly until he himself can do that he will be mediocre at best.
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RidiculousJames wrote:
thebeast15 wrote:
I just want to reiterate this again..

Last year:

LT: Webb
LG: Rachal, Brown
C: Garza, E. Williams
RG: Louis, Spencer
RT: Carimi, Jon Scott

This year:

LT: Jermon Bushrod
RG: Chris Long, James Brown
C: Garza, Edwin Williams
RG: Matt Slauson
RT: Webb, Mills

That's a huge gamble, playing two RGs is going to leave a big hole somewhere between our center and our LT, and turning a D-lineman into an O-lineman over the off-season Laughing

I know what you mean though, we've upgraded four out of the five positions on the OL from last season. Love how we've just had a complete overhaul, it was needed.


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