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PostPosted: Thu Apr 25, 2013 9:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Davey forgets that we have to deal with Patriots spread and Bills and Dolphins aggressively WCO. Solid number 2 is equally luxury.


He doesn't forget it; his point is solid. As a group, the CB situation is better than the OLB or S situation. It's not a top need for the defense. You also need a pass rush to play against teams.

He's a very good player but there were players of equal talent available at positions of greater need.
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But you don't draft for need. You hope you get value, but don't draft for need.
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Jetsfandan423 wrote:
But you don't draft for need. You hope you get value, but don't draft for need.


So if the best player available at 13 was a corner, the Jets should have taken another corner? You have to match talent with need.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 25, 2013 9:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Jetsfandan423 wrote:
But you don't draft for need. You hope you get value, but don't draft for need.


So if the best player available at 13 was a corner, the Jets should have taken another corner? You have to match talent with need.



Maybe if the board fell that way. I'm just saying most of the best teams draft bpa and they are the ones who usually do well. Free agency is a better place to fill needs. Obviously if bpa also fills a need then you have maximized the value of your pick.
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Raoul Duke wrote:
Jetsfandan423 wrote:
But you don't draft for need. You hope you get value, but don't draft for need.


So if the best player available at 13 was a corner, the Jets should have taken another corner? You have to match talent with need.


I just hope that they are being honest and did stick with their board.
Of course you take both the BPA and someone who fills a need. You have to rate the needs as well. A top DL to fill the void of the players who left. Is a better pick than a 2nd round talent RB being picked at #13 because he fills a need. I think it makes sense?
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Raoul Duke wrote:
Jetsfandan423 wrote:
But you don't draft for need. You hope you get value, but don't draft for need.


So if the best player available at 13 was a corner, the Jets should have taken another corner? You have to match talent with need.



Maybe if the board fell that way. I'm just saying most of the best teams draft bpa and they are the ones who usually do well. Free agency is a better place to fill needs. Obviously if bpa also fills a need then you have maximized the value of your pick.


Teams that can strictly draft the best player available are teams that don't have glaring needs. The better teams have fewer needs so they can be more selective.

I just think that any minor talent difference is negated by the size of the need. When you're picking at #9, by default you have your choice of the best player at several different positions still on the board. If you can get the best player on the board at a certain position that is a need, why attempt to quantify that against a player that plays a position you don't need that is talented also.

Unless you really think that the players overall talent is that much greater that you can't pass it up; but that really wasn't the case with this draft.
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Hill I think is a good example of going for need. We took him higher than he probably should have gone last year. Not saying he can't improve and be a better player for us, but I think Idzik has already shown us he is no Tanny. He will stick to the board.
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At least they took two very good players. I think they could have gotten similar talent at bigger positions of need; but both guys are going to help this defense.

I like that Wilson is going back to the slot and I think the D-line is going to be doing alot of one-gapping with a return to some of the aggressiveness that they had earlier in Rex's tenure.
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Jetsfandan423 wrote:
Hill I think is a good example of going for need. We took him higher than he probably should have gone last year. Not saying he can't improve and be a better player for us, but I think Idzik has already shown us he is no Tanny. He will stick to the board.

A lot of people thought Hill was a first round pick last year. We traded up for him.
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Admittedly I don't know much about the prospects, but this bothers me:

NFL.com wrote:
But Milliner's shoulder is not the only medical red flag. He's undergone five surgeries in all on both shoulders, knee scope, sports hernia and tibia stress fracture.


Taking a guy at #9 overall with that kind of injury history is a pretty huge risk.
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TheChad wrote:
Admittedly I don't know much about the prospects, but this bothers me:

NFL.com wrote:
But Milliner's shoulder is not the only medical red flag. He's undergone five surgeries in all on both shoulders, knee scope, sports hernia and tibia stress fracture.


Taking a guy at #9 overall with that kind of injury history is a pretty huge risk.

He has never missed a start on Championship teams. I heard Ray Lucas say "A guy could run into the goal post and hurt himself." He has been cleared medically.

Hi my Aussie friend hope all is well. Cool
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rQ81bZV7TY

Milliner on sport science
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 26, 2013 9:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anyone wanna see Milliner get #24 Laughing
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jetskid007 wrote:
Anyone wanna see Milliner get #24 Laughing


That is too funny.
I heard Eisner being sarcastic saying:
"Well at least he won't be going against Revis' new team the first week.
Or have to face Tom Brady on a short week, Nationally televised game to start his career".
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jg6041 wrote:
jetskid007 wrote:
Anyone wanna see Milliner get #24 Laughing


That is too funny.
I heard Eisner being sarcastic saying:
"Well at least he won't be going against Revis' new team the first week.
Or have to face Tom Brady on a short week, Nationally televised game to start his career".


Haha. I heard that too. It's going to be a tough road for Milliner no doubt, but Cromartie is still the #1 at this point.

Does it seem like these picks are very much about the future to anyone else? Cromartie only has a year left after this season, as well as Kyle Wilson. Both would likely not be resigned. Enter Milliner

Richardson is more suited for the 4-3, but is very versatile. Rex could be gone after the season, so it's a pick that's going to be helpful for any scheme.

Cimini posted some quotes from Jets scouts today about both players ( Link ) and it sounds like the Jets scouting department liked Richardson, but were not in love. Maybe Idzik and a few others were, and he took his guy because this is going to be his ship.

Granted, I think Rex Ryan absolutely loves both picks. Both players are his type of player.
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