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PostPosted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 6:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

biggio7 wrote:
Another small school WR... Rolling Eyes Have they not learned their lesson yet?


You know every year we have to have a WTF pick, and this year Bonner is it. This pick just makes no sense when you consider the other WR talent that was available.
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Wolf6151 wrote:
biggio7 wrote:
Another small school WR... Rolling Eyes Have they not learned their lesson yet?


You know every year we have to have a WTF pick, and this year Bonner is it. This pick just makes no sense when you consider the other WR talent that was available.


Yeah I agree, although he might we picked him because he is a return specialist... which is another problem for me, we just let go of 2 pro bowl returners... Jacoby Jones (I agree he had to go) and 5 games into the season Trindon Holliday Plus we have Martin and Manning who are very good

Letting go of Trindon Holliday is a perfect example of why I hate Kubiak, in his mind no one is worthy of a roster spot unless they can do multiple things.... like god forbid we draft a WR that is not so good at blocking....
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Pretty underwhelmed with the draft this year. Can't say I see anything more than adequate starters in any of these picks...
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Grasspike wrote:
Pretty underwhelmed with the draft this year. Can't say I see anything more than adequate starters in any of these picks...


I would second that emotion. I think Hopkins is legit. Montgomery looks to have upside. Other than that.... meh (for now).
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jch1911 wrote:
Grasspike wrote:
Pretty underwhelmed with the draft this year. Can't say I see anything more than adequate starters in any of these picks...


I would second that emotion. I think Hopkins is legit. Montgomery looks to have upside. Other than that.... meh (for now).


Seeing as we were drafting late in one of the most average drafts in a decade, what more did y'all expect? And we had a lot more needs than most teams drafting in the bottom third of every round. We couldn't take risk Luke the 9ers did.
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jch1911 wrote:
Grasspike wrote:
Pretty underwhelmed with the draft this year. Can't say I see anything more than adequate starters in any of these picks...


I would second that emotion. I think Hopkins is legit. Montgomery looks to have upside. Other than that.... meh (for now).


Seeing as we were drafting late in one of the most average drafts in a decade, what more did y'all expect? And we had a lot more needs than most teams drafting in the bottom third of every round. We couldn't take risk Luke the 9ers did.


LJC... fair enough. IMHO there were better prospects who fell to the Texans, but we chose to do more of the same. I think Montgomery was a risky grab that could actually pay dividends in the long run.... IF he matures (BIG IF). Other than that, you cannot tell me that there were some reaches by the Texans in both Williams selections; Bonner; Chris Jones & Ryan Griffen (the TE because some writers still think we drafted Ryan Griffin the QB Laughing).

IMHO there were some riskier, but higher upside players for the taking. Now granted the goal was to keep a 12-4 team together (plus get Cushing healthy and add a veteran DB with deep coverage responsibilities + big play ability) so as to contend in the playoffs again. But if you're telling me we vastly improved over the likes of the Broncos, Patriots, and Ravens.... I think that would be misguided. I also need to mention that pretty much ALL of the top NFC teams (49ers, Seahawks, Giants, Falcons, Saints, Packers) got WWWAYYYYY better via the off-season and draft.

That all remains to be seen about our drafted players, but I am hoping the Texans sign some vets to help push us over the top to our first Lombardi Trophy because right now I am underwhelmed by our draft selections.
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jch1911 wrote:
Grasspike wrote:
Pretty underwhelmed with the draft this year. Can't say I see anything more than adequate starters in any of these picks...


I would second that emotion. I think Hopkins is legit. Montgomery looks to have upside. Other than that.... meh (for now).


Seeing as we were drafting late in one of the most average drafts in a decade, what more did y'all expect? And we had a lot more needs than most teams drafting in the bottom third of every round. We couldn't take risk Luke the 9ers did.



We had the chance to take a lot of guys that will have solid to excellent NFL careers: Justin Hunter, Robert Woods, Keenan Allen, Barrett Jones, Sio Moore, Stepfan Taylor, Jesse Williams, Earl Wolff, Ryan Swope, Bacarri Rambo... I'm not talking high risk, high reward, I'm talking guys that will stick in the NFL at worst and be studs at best. Our draft strategy seemed to be low ceiling guys.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 1:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also, this piece is worth a read just for the hilarity of the errors in it:

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2013/4/28/4277080/2013-nfl-draft-grades-afc-south
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I thought the draft took a rollar coaster ride.

We started off great with the Hopkins, Swearinger, Williams and Montgomery picks then we took a nose dive with the Trevardo Williams pick (fan of the player, but didn't understand the need to pick him since we already took another OLB with our previous pick). Then we did good with the Quessenberry pick. I think he could compete for an OT job with us. Then the last 3 picks were "WTF" picks although Jones intrigues me. If he shows he can rush the passer he could be a keeper. I doubt Bonner and Griffin even makes the team. Practice squad at best.
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jch1911 wrote:
lumberjackchris wrote:
jch1911 wrote:
Grasspike wrote:
Pretty underwhelmed with the draft this year. Can't say I see anything more than adequate starters in any of these picks...


I would second that emotion. I think Hopkins is legit. Montgomery looks to have upside. Other than that.... meh (for now).


Seeing as we were drafting late in one of the most average drafts in a decade, what more did y'all expect? And we had a lot more needs than most teams drafting in the bottom third of every round. We couldn't take risk Luke the 9ers did.


LJC... fair enough. IMHO there were better prospects who fell to the Texans, but we chose to do more of the same. I think Montgomery was a risky grab that could actually pay dividends in the long run.... IF he matures (BIG IF). Other than that, you cannot tell me that there were some reaches by the Texans in both Williams selections; Bonner; Chris Jones & Ryan Griffen (the TE because some writers still think we drafted Ryan Griffin the QB Laughing).

IMHO there were some riskier, but higher upside players for the taking. Now granted the goal was to keep a 12-4 team together (plus get Cushing healthy and add a veteran DB with deep coverage responsibilities + big play ability) so as to contend in the playoffs again. But if you're telling me we vastly improved over the likes of the Broncos, Patriots, and Ravens.... I think that would be misguided. I also need to mention that pretty much ALL of the top NFC teams (49ers, Seahawks, Giants, Falcons, Saints, Packers) got WWWAYYYYY better via the off-season and draft.

That all remains to be seen about our drafted players, but I am hoping the Texans sign some vets to help push us over the top to our first Lombardi Trophy because right now I am underwhelmed by our draft selections.


To be fair, I don't think that the Broncos nor the Ravens "vastly improved" since last year. The Ravens' secondary is pretty well in shambles. They did draft Elam who will help, but they didn't get a CB, unless Huff plays corner, and they have Webb coming off a torn ACL. Jimmy Smith is not good, and Graham improved, but isn't starting quality IMHO. I think the Ravens had a great draft, but they lost 6 starters on defense, two of which are among the best to ever play their position.

The Broncos didn't have a phenomenal draft either, I don't think. I don't mind it, but they didn't adequately address some of their more pressing needs for a starting CB to replace Bailey (whom they'd like to move to S), and their best pick by far is a position they were fairly well set at DT. Most everything is depth, and I don't think it makes a huge impact. Their offseason was pretty decent, so I'll concede that they did get better, but I wouldn't consider it "vastly improved" over last year.

I think we're much better at WR2, and our overall Safety situation is exponentially better as well. I liked Quin, but I don't think he did more than what we'll have with Swearinger and Reed. It does bother me that we didn't nab Swope or Poyer with later round picks, and I won't really defend our last three picks too much, since I think there were more "high profile" guys on the board. Brennan Williams is a very solid run-blocking tackle, which is what we needed more from that side. Hopefully Brooks will play up to his potential, and the right side of our line will be more than just serviceable next year. Sam Montgomery and Trevardo Williams had me concerned. I know the talk is about moving Reed inside, where I think he'll do very well, but I'm very nervous about our OLBs having a combined 4 games started. Montgomery appears very pro-ready coming out of LSU, and UConn has really been churning out NFL talent lately, so I think Williams will be fairly well prepared as well. Also, my understanding is that Wade's system isn't incredibly intricate, which could be much more suitable for our rookies.

Overall, I don't fully agree that any of those AFC teams took giant leaps forward through FA or the Draft. NE only has TEs, unless some of these WRs develop very quickly in their very complex system, but NE hasn't done well at drafting WRs. Amendola will be a threat if he's healthy, but I don't think he's an improvement over Welker. Their defense has improved, but not dramatically from last year. I can say pretty comfortably that none of the top AFC teams got exponentially better from last year, with the Broncos probably making the biggest leap of the "Big 4" . I'd say the team that continues to get better through the draft every year that I'm most worried about is the Bengals.
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Rounds 1 and 2 summarized:

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treece300e wrote:
Rounds 1 and 2 summarized:



SC shut Nuk down, but he made up for it against Sammy Montgomery and LSU in Clemsons bowl game.
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Grasspike wrote:
Pretty underwhelmed with the draft this year. Can't say I see anything more than adequate starters in any of these picks...


Eh...I like it. It isn't JJ Watt/Brooks Reed, but it's a damn good draft from top to...well, I'd be lying if I said bottom. More like "end of second day, along with a few picks on D3," if you wanted to be technical:

1. Hopkins: He has the best blend of "day one impact" and "2-3 year upside" of all the WRs in this draft, IMO. Sure, you have guys like Cordarelle Patterson, Justin Hunter or Terrance Williams, who had some upside but might take about 2-3 years to get to it...and you had guys like Quentin Patton and Robert Woods, guys who had the ability to step in and start on D1, but what you see from there on out is what you get (Woods has SOME upside, willing to admit to that). Hopkins is just as much of a D1 starter as Patton or Woods, but has some upside like Patterson or Hunter. One thing I like the most about Hopkins? He's a physical WR, but not in the way you think - he's physical without the ball being in his hands. If the ball is coming his way, he will position himself, box out a defender and make sure he's the only one who has a chance to make a catch. We might see a FEW OPIs on the guy, but not many - he's smart when to use his shoulder, use his butt, create that little inch to get the ball in his hands, and ONLY his hands. That is going to come in handy in the red zone.

- Another thing I like about the Hopkins pick? Rick Smith stuck with his guns, even though the combine darling was sitting there waiting to be had. Patterson had a strong year last year, showed up to the combine and completely ripped up every possible drill, but to say there were questions on the guy would be a vast understatement. Smith probably figured that Patterson would be long gone by the time the Texans picked (as did pretty much any fan or media type who follows the draft) so when he was there at 27, it took a lot of fortitude to take Hopkins, a guy who had a better season, but didn't test out nearly as well. Hats off to Smitty for sticking with what he believed and not being swayed, as some GMs are (looking at you Izdik).

- Swearinger: To be 100% honest, I didn't figure he'd even be there at the time. I liked him as the #2 S on the board, behind Jonathan Cyprien (not by much, mind you) and ahead of both Eric Reid and Matt Elam. When I saw Reid, Elam go in the first and Cyprien go as the 1st pick of the 2nd, I was for sure that he wouldn't be there. Yet...there he was. I'm 100% positive that Arthur Brown was the guy the Texans were targeting, but to end up with a big hitter with experience at both S spots as well as CB, a guy with an edge to his game and a guy who believes he's the toughest dude on the field at any given moment? Win, IMO. He's Bernard Pollard, with coverage skills. Say what you will about Bernie, he had that fire in his belly that others fed off of. DJ Swearinger is in that same mold, and he will make up the core of this unit in the future, the enforcer and emotional leader this team will need one day.

- Brennan Williams: To be honest, this pick scares me. I'm not a big fan of taking guys who are recently injured (remember back in 2009, when Jack Ikewogunu was some massive steal in 08 because he blew out his knee and fell to undrafted status for the Eagles? Yeah, that didn't play out too well...) All injuries aside, guy was a mauler, a physical T who played through the whistle and wasn't afraid to mix it up follwing the whistle. Not a miscreant, just a hard football player. Folks are saying that shoulder is at 100%, and if it is...the Texans just found a guy who can legit start D1 against the Chargers.

- Sam Montgomery: Holy hell, NEVER saw this one coming. I had always figured he was a 4-3 DE, someone who was all about trailing the play and making the tackle. All I've seen from him is chasing someone down from behind. Never played with fantastic technique, but had great closing speed when the ball carrier was trying to get away. I am still iffy on the pick, felt as if a CB might be better at the spot...but it's house money, might as well go for someone who had produced at a nice clip while showing off some fine athletic ability.

- Trevardo Williams: Hmm. Small, but freaky athlete with his speed, and his production was just off the charts (mind you, against lesser competetion). But, I am also wary of typecasting him. I mean, UConn had a BUNCH of players drafted this year, most of them on that defense. From a stats perspective, Williams was THE lynchpin of that D, a D that had four players named at the podium on Saturday. Folks went nuts for Sio Moore, but look at the production on the field between the two. Both CBs were drafted, and their college years were made easier with Williams going after the QB. This was a pick that can be a massive steal for the Texans, our very own Elvis Dumervil or Cam Wake, an unassuming pass rushing guy who just takes everything by storm.

- David Queensberry: Ok, if Williams doesn't work out, Queensberry will happily take the role of RT. One way or another, I think the team isn't as high on Derek Newton as we were led to believe, and one of the two rookies is picked with the sole intent of replacing him, with the other guy either playing a swing role or moving to the interior (same can be said about Newton. I actually think Newton will be joining Posey on the PUP, but that's just me).

- Alan Bonner: Hmm...ok, you got me. Not sure who or why this pick was made. Oh well, can't be drafting Pro Bowlers at EVERY spot, right? Seems like the guy has a respectable YPC number, and tends to find the end zone. If he can catch one pass in a Regular Season game, he will have exceeded my expectations of him for the duration of his career. If he can beat out Keshawn Martin for KR duties, he will have exceeded my expectations for him as well.

- Chris Jones: Eh...hmm. Motor is there, in a big way. Tenacious, plays with some nasty to his game (a theme among this class, no?) Not fast, not big, not strong...but does SOMETHING right if he's racking up 19 TFLs and 12.5 sacks his final year. Seems like the theme of his career is penetrating and making plays in the backfield, and that isn't something that's TOO bad. Could be worse, I guess...I don't expect much, but I expect something.

- Ryan Griffin: OK, Kubiak. You lost me on this one. If you take NFL.com's ratings as anything worthy of note, you can see that EVERY TE listed graded out better than Griffin here. Even the guys who weren't drafted. Maybe we see something that can pan out as a ST guy? Maybe a move to FB? I don't know, can't see it as of now.

It's a solid draft, full of guys who play some tough football - not a group of guys you wanna see in a street fight, which is what every game will be after a 12-4 season. The book is out on the Texans - very technical, very competent, but lacking a killer instinct, lacking the chutzpa to punch folks in the mouth if they try to get cute. We have a draft FULL of guys like that now, so I can't fault anything. The core is there, and they're technical and competent. The new blood on the team might lack some of what we have, but they have a lot of what we don't have - toughness.

I call that a win. Very Happy
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I don't understand the guys that say DeAndre Hopkins is an extremely pro-ready prospect. Sure, his game is fairly polished, but the offense he played in is about as far as you can get from a pro offense, as far as nomenclature, techniques, play-calling, the whole shebang. Clemson's offense is as simplified as they come and based on smoke and mirrors more than any actual technique. It's not exactly going to be a smooth transition.

Swearinger is a slightly more physical, slower Glover Quin. He'll rack up tackles in the box, but he's not going to make plays down the field.

I don't know how close Brennan Williams was with the other Tar Heels, but it's got to be significant that as talented as that team was, none of them have particularly panned out, either in college or the pros.

Montgomery openly admitted he didn't particularly try against lightweights. People talk about it as if that's a correctable problem, but old habits are hard to break. The sign LSU's strength coach posted on his window is pretty damning as well (and that another OLB was drafted directly behind him). There's a reason he fell as far as he did.

Love the Trevardo Williams pick.

Fine with the Quessenberry pick.

WTF on the Bonner pick.

Fine with the Griffin pick. Seems to be in the Graham/Dreessen mold.
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I don't understand the guys that say DeAndre Hopkins is an extremely pro-ready prospect. Sure, his game is fairly polished, but the offense he played in is about as far as you can get from a pro offense, as far as nomenclature, techniques, play-calling, the whole shebang. Clemson's offense is as simplified as they come and based on smoke and mirrors more than any actual technique. It's not exactly going to be a smooth transition.

Hopkins absolutely was the most pro ready WR in this draft. He has shown in film that he is able to run a full route tree and he runs all of those routes sharply. Not only that, but his ability to catch the ball and traffic and demonstrate his strong hands also shows he is ready. Finally, Hopkins showed great effort and run blocking and there are several plays on film that I have watched where he completely takes his guy out of the play.

I'm pumped about this pick, I think it's a homerun. Hopkins will start from Day 1.
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