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Who would you take at #28?
Jamie Collins DE
4%
 4%  [ 1 ]
Datone Jones DE
23%
 23%  [ 5 ]
Bjoern Werner DE
9%
 9%  [ 2 ]
Damontre Moore DE
14%
 14%  [ 3 ]
Desmond Trufant CB
0%
 0%  [ 0 ]
DJ Hayden CB
4%
 4%  [ 1 ]
Jamar Taylor CB
9%
 9%  [ 2 ]
Jonathan Banks CB
0%
 0%  [ 0 ]
Manti Teo LB
4%
 4%  [ 1 ]
Kevin Minter LB
0%
 0%  [ 0 ]
Eddie Lacy RB
0%
 0%  [ 0 ]
Jonathan Franklin RB
4%
 4%  [ 1 ]
Alec Ogletree LB
4%
 4%  [ 1 ]
Jesse Williams DT
0%
 0%  [ 0 ]
Jonathan Hankins DT
0%
 0%  [ 0 ]
Sylvester Williams DT
14%
 14%  [ 3 ]
Jonathan Cyprien S
4%
 4%  [ 1 ]
Matt Elam S
0%
 0%  [ 0 ]
Eric Reid S
0%
 0%  [ 0 ]
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 4:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

elwayfan07 wrote:
Russell2Bailey wrote:
broncos67 wrote:
From the list above?

Datone Jones.


So a 5 technique to replace Dumervil? I'd rather stick with Ayers.


I would assume he disagrees with your evaluation. Which so do I.


He's not an edge rusher.

From scouting reports I've read:

Strengths- Well Built Athlete. Has long arms, good strength, and shows the initial burst off the snap to penetrate gaps. Uses his hands to rip free from blocks with a variety of pass rush moves (swim, rip, club.) and the power to bull rush. Keeps his head up and locates the ball quickly, showing good awareness and effort in pursuit. Has the upper body strength to lock out to seal the edge. Stout enough to play defensive tackle, which would probably be his best bet for rushing the passer.

Negatives- Tweener who didn't live up to expectations until his senior year. Lacks sustained speed and flexibility to rush the passer as a traditional 4-3 Defensive End. Lacks the bulk for full-time defensive tackle duties. Too often loses the leverage battle. Will stop using hands when he tires.

Those are the biggest reasons why I don't want him. Why should we get another Derek Wolfe?

Teams will throw the ball at will on us in our Base Defense.

Yes, I'm aware of how much we're in our base defense, but still. Enough is enough.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 4:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

b_rent87 wrote:
The more I watch Jones the more I like him but we need more pressure. Like I said if this was a situation where we had Elvis and not Wolfe I would be all for Jones over the others but with Wolfe I want Moore or Werner on the other side.

If we can get Jones in round 1 and someone Lemioner in the third and take another impact player in the 2nd I would be stoked. Because We cna rush Wolfe and Jones from DT and Lemioner and Miller off the edges on passing downs.


Or we could get someone who's not 1 dimensional and use our 2nd round pick on someone else.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 4:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Russell2Bailey wrote:
elwayfan07 wrote:
Russell2Bailey wrote:
broncos67 wrote:
From the list above?

Datone Jones.


So a 5 technique to replace Dumervil? I'd rather stick with Ayers.


I would assume he disagrees with your evaluation. Which so do I.


He's not an edge rusher.

From scouting reports I've read:

Strengths- Well Built Athlete. Has long arms, good strength, and shows the initial burst off the snap to penetrate gaps. Uses his hands to rip free from blocks with a variety of pass rush moves (swim, rip, club.) and the power to bull rush. Keeps his head up and locates the ball quickly, showing good awareness and effort in pursuit. Has the upper body strength to lock out to seal the edge. Stout enough to play defensive tackle, which would probably be his best bet for rushing the passer.

Negatives- Tweener who didn't live up to expectations until his senior year. Lacks sustained speed and flexibility to rush the passer as a traditional 4-3 Defensive End. Lacks the bulk for full-time defensive tackle duties. Too often loses the leverage battle. Will stop using hands when he tires.

Those are the biggest reasons why I don't want him. Why should we get another Derek Wolfe?

Teams will throw the ball at will on us in our Base Defense.

Yes, I'm aware of how much we're in our base defense, but still. Enough is enough.


Thats fine you have the right to your view. I disagree. He isn't my first choice but i would have no issue if we chose him
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 4:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

elwayfan07 wrote:
Russell2Bailey wrote:
elwayfan07 wrote:
Russell2Bailey wrote:
broncos67 wrote:
From the list above?

Datone Jones.


So a 5 technique to replace Dumervil? I'd rather stick with Ayers.


I would assume he disagrees with your evaluation. Which so do I.


He's not an edge rusher.

From scouting reports I've read:

Strengths- Well Built Athlete. Has long arms, good strength, and shows the initial burst off the snap to penetrate gaps. Uses his hands to rip free from blocks with a variety of pass rush moves (swim, rip, club.) and the power to bull rush. Keeps his head up and locates the ball quickly, showing good awareness and effort in pursuit. Has the upper body strength to lock out to seal the edge. Stout enough to play defensive tackle, which would probably be his best bet for rushing the passer.

Negatives- Tweener who didn't live up to expectations until his senior year. Lacks sustained speed and flexibility to rush the passer as a traditional 4-3 Defensive End. Lacks the bulk for full-time defensive tackle duties. Too often loses the leverage battle. Will stop using hands when he tires.

Those are the biggest reasons why I don't want him. Why should we get another Derek Wolfe?

Teams will throw the ball at will on us in our Base Defense.

Yes, I'm aware of how much we're in our base defense, but still. Enough is enough.


Thats fine you have the right to your view. I disagree. He isn't my first choice but i would have no issue if we chose him


Mind just explaining what makes you want him? Especially when someone better, like Werner is available.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 4:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Russell2Bailey wrote:
elwayfan07 wrote:
Russell2Bailey wrote:
elwayfan07 wrote:
Russell2Bailey wrote:
broncos67 wrote:
From the list above?

Datone Jones.


So a 5 technique to replace Dumervil? I'd rather stick with Ayers.


I would assume he disagrees with your evaluation. Which so do I.


He's not an edge rusher.

From scouting reports I've read:

Strengths- Well Built Athlete. Has long arms, good strength, and shows the initial burst off the snap to penetrate gaps. Uses his hands to rip free from blocks with a variety of pass rush moves (swim, rip, club.) and the power to bull rush. Keeps his head up and locates the ball quickly, showing good awareness and effort in pursuit. Has the upper body strength to lock out to seal the edge. Stout enough to play defensive tackle, which would probably be his best bet for rushing the passer.

Negatives- Tweener who didn't live up to expectations until his senior year. Lacks sustained speed and flexibility to rush the passer as a traditional 4-3 Defensive End. Lacks the bulk for full-time defensive tackle duties. Too often loses the leverage battle. Will stop using hands when he tires.

Those are the biggest reasons why I don't want him. Why should we get another Derek Wolfe?

Teams will throw the ball at will on us in our Base Defense.

Yes, I'm aware of how much we're in our base defense, but still. Enough is enough.


Thats fine you have the right to your view. I disagree. He isn't my first choice but i would have no issue if we chose him


Mind just explaining what makes you want him? Especially when someone better, like Werner is available.


Personally, I think Werner is a better player and would prefer him. However, my point is that Datone Jones would be a productive player if he were to be the pick. Last year, our base defense was gashed in the run game. I think Jones would help with that. I think he would help in the pass rush. I think people are to quick to equate pass rush with sacks. You can be an effective pass rusher without having a lot of sacks.

All in all, there are only a few players I would be very upset with at 28. So while Datone Jones may not be my first choice, I hardly feel as though he would be a poor choice. My top choice would probably be Werner followed by Jonathan Banks, who I think is getting overlooked due to a poor timed speed. People forget he completely locked down the best athletes in the country.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 4:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think that Okafor should be mentally added to this list- I realize that he may not be graded as highly as some of these other DEs, and may not be as good of "value" at 28, but I was just watching tape of the one-on-one drills (OL vs DL) at the senior bowl and he looked the part of someone who could put up some sacks at the next level. From that tape, I thought Okafor, Datone Jones, Sly Williams, and Short were the most impressive DL (of the bunch who were there). I think we could trade back into the mid second and still have one or two of these guys available (and possibly someone like Moore or Werner as well). All it takes for someone to slip is having teams looking to fill other needs (which they are around our pick and early second) and having the few teams that are looking for a DE not be in love with a certain prospect. As none of these prospects are without flaw, I see someone falling much further than expected (much like DeQuan Bowers, Justin Houston, Jerrel Worthy, Devin Still....)
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 4:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This thread is an hour old and already has 2 pages. Its draft season.

I went Datone Jones. Hes the best player on that list IMO. Would be an excellent fit on this defense and could help kick Derek Wolfe to DT eventually. Heck, this defense could move to some 3-4 looks too. Wolfe/Vick/Jones on the line is a nice start. Would benefit the team greatly to find a Bruce Irvin-like pass rusher after.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 5:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JerseysFinest27 wrote:
This thread is an hour old and already has 2 pages. Its draft season.

I went Datone Jones. Hes the best player on that list IMO. Would be an excellent fit on this defense and could help kick Derek Wolfe to DT eventually. Heck, this defense could move to some 3-4 looks too. Wolfe/Vick/Jones on the line is a nice start. Would benefit the team greatly to find a Bruce Irvin-like pass rusher after.


There are a couple of mid to late round DE's who compare to Irvin; at least from I have read about them. All very quick first step, although some are lankier than the more bendable others:

- Cornelius Washington
- Michael Buchanan
- Quanterus Smith
- Brandon Jenkins
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 5:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ayers can do everything Jones does though it seems
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 5:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jamie Collins.

We dont need a base DE. Ayers will do just fine on 1st and 2nd down. We need someone with speed off the edge and the athleticism to get at the QB. That is Jamie Collins. It is very rare for pass rushers with measurables like Collins to fail in the NFL. He may not be anything more than a Bruce Irving pass rush specialist, but thats what we need. I think he is going to be a straight beast once he gets up to 260lbs or so.
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Jamie Collins.

We dont need a base DE. Ayers will do just fine on 1st and 2nd down. We need someone with speed off the edge and the athleticism to get at the QB. That is Jamie Collins. It is very rare for pass rushers with measurables like Collins to fail in the NFL. He may not be anything more than a Bruce Irving pass rush specialist, but thats what we need. I think he is going to be a straight beast once he gets up to 260lbs or so.
I wouldn't mind him at all.
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b_rent87 wrote:
Ayers can do everything Jones does though it seems

Maybe but Ayers doesnt have the upside that Jones dones. Plus, Ayers is also in the last year of his rookie deal.
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Give me Ogletree. He can be on the field for any down and has the most talent of all of these guys. If he falls that is who I want.
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I'd be at least happier with Jones than a DB. That's for sure.
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I voted Cyprien. Just love him as a prospect.
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