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Dropkick_pride


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 9:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Of course Gordon coming into the draft withOUT the proven nfl success then who knows where he goes... Even With the physical measurable if he or his team had a rough season then he could go anywhere.,..
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 10:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

nugpimpen wrote:
duke2056 wrote:
Before reading anyone's responses..................I say 2nd half of round 1, around pick 20.

Now, this is saying if somehow the Commisioner right now told Gordon he could enter the draft. As in, he would leave the Browns and enter the draft. Not talking about his projection at this time last year, I am saying right this second if he was magically entered in the draft, knowing what we know, and seeing what we say last year.

Gotta be around pick 20 I would think.


If NFL GM's saw Gordon play how he did his Rookie year, he wouldn't get out of the top 10.

He'd easily be the first WR off the board as well.

I could see Oak taking him at 3 too. They have NOBODY good at WR.


I would actually argue that Denarius Moore is better than Gordon
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 10:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

TommyLF wrote:
nugpimpen wrote:
duke2056 wrote:
Before reading anyone's responses..................I say 2nd half of round 1, around pick 20.

Now, this is saying if somehow the Commisioner right now told Gordon he could enter the draft. As in, he would leave the Browns and enter the draft. Not talking about his projection at this time last year, I am saying right this second if he was magically entered in the draft, knowing what we know, and seeing what we say last year.

Gotta be around pick 20 I would think.


If NFL GM's saw Gordon play how he did his Rookie year, he wouldn't get out of the top 10.

He'd easily be the first WR off the board as well.

I could see Oak taking him at 3 too. They have NOBODY good at WR.


I would actually argue that Denarius Moore is better than Gordon


At the moment, maybe. Going forward with potential though, I don't think so.

He is a good player though.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 12:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ditchdigger wrote:
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Did someone compare him to AJ Green?


Yes. And Andre Johnson. He is comprable to them. Size, athleticism, hands and production are nearly identical as rookies.


I'll just do the Green comparison, since Johnson is so much older.

Size - Green is taller, with longer arms and hands. Gordon outweighs him by 20 pounds. But that 20 pounds doesn't show up as far as releasing from DBs and fighting for the ball.

Athleticism - While their combine numbers are very similar, on the field with pads on, Green seems much more athletic. Some of that could be ball skills, and not just vertical numbers. Green also appears to get much better separation.

Production - Green had 200 more yards and 2 more TDs in their respective rookie years. Dating back to college, it's not even close.

From a prospect perspective, he wasn't in the same class as either AJ, or Julio. Those off filed concerns do matter.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 5:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Those off filed concerns do matter.


They didn't bother him or anyone else on Sundays.

Obviously, Green is the superior prospect. I hope my statement about being comprable didn't lead you to believe I thought otherwise. When compared, Green wins. But you can compare them, as Gordon is very close to Green's level.

If Gordon were magically coming out right now in this draft class after last year's performance in the NFL, he would be selected in a similar slot to Green. I have a hard time seeing him get past Oakland. If he did, he wouldn't last past 6.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 6:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

freakygeniuskid wrote:
duke2056 wrote:
Dropkick_pride wrote:
nugpimpen wrote:
duke2056 wrote:
Before reading anyone's responses..................I say 2nd half of round 1, around pick 20.

Now, this is saying if somehow the Commisioner right now told Gordon he could enter the draft. As in, he would leave the Browns and enter the draft. Not talking about his projection at this time last year, I am saying right this second if he was magically entered in the draft, knowing what we know, and seeing what we say last year.

Gotta be around pick 20 I would think.


If NFL GM's saw Gordon play how he did his Rookie year, he wouldn't get out of the top 10.

He'd easily be the first WR off the board as well.

I could see Oak taking him at 3 too. They have NOBODY good at WR.


I agree completely.


You can never predict what Oakland does I guess.

Yeah, can't say I can really argue that he could be the first WR off the board.

I didnt wanna read anyones post and influence me before I projected. I still think around pick 20, but he definitely could go a lot higher like you said.


I'm with the higher camp. Gordon has PROVED he can play in the NFL at a high level, something none of these guys have been able to do. If Gordon is in this draft his ceiling is #3 and his floor is #6.


So if someone offers us pick 7 for Gordon, you would turn it down?
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So if someone offers us pick 7 for Gordon, you would turn it down?


Yes.

Who would you draft at 7?
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 8:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

poorbytehshore wrote:
duke2056 wrote:


So if someone offers us pick 7 for Gordon, you would turn it down?


Yes.

Who would you draft at 7?


I would definitely turn it down.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 8:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

nugpimpen wrote:
poorbytehshore wrote:
duke2056 wrote:


So if someone offers us pick 7 for Gordon, you would turn it down?


Yes.

Who would you draft at 7?


I would definitely turn it down.


I think you have to.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 9:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dropkick_pride wrote:
nugpimpen wrote:
poorbytehshore wrote:
duke2056 wrote:


So if someone offers us pick 7 for Gordon, you would turn it down?


Yes.

Who would you draft at 7?


I would definitely turn it down.


I think you have to.


Absolutely.

Letting go of Gordon for pick #7 creates a gaping hole at WR. Who do you fill that hole with at pick #7? Maybe if there was a franchise QB in the draft we needed to move up to #1 to get and they would take #6 and #7 for it, but that would be it.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 9:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

freakygeniuskid wrote:
Dropkick_pride wrote:
nugpimpen wrote:
poorbytehshore wrote:
duke2056 wrote:


So if someone offers us pick 7 for Gordon, you would turn it down?


Yes.

Who would you draft at 7?


I would definitely turn it down.


I think you have to.


Absolutely.

Letting go of Gordon for pick #7 creates a gaping hole at WR. Who do you fill that hole with at pick #7? Maybe if there was a franchise QB in the draft we needed to move up to #1 to get and they would take #6 and #7 for it, but that would be it.


Sounds right to me.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 9:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

AJ Green 65/1057/7
Julio Jones 54/959/8
Josh Gordon 50/805/5

A year out of football, Brandon Weeden as his QB and his rookie stats aren't too far off those two. Not on their level and I'm not even attempting to say that but he has great potential.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 9:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

nugpimpen wrote:
poorbytehshore wrote:
duke2056 wrote:


So if someone offers us pick 7 for Gordon, you would turn it down?


Yes.

Who would you draft at 7?


I would definitely turn it down.


Definitely, a young WR who i think would be the #1 WR in this draft with a good year in the league already
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 9:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The more interesting question is where would Gordon go had he not been taken in the supplemental draft. This is looking like a pretty deep WR class with lots of guys who have similar physical skillsets to Gordon without missing a year of football and the off the field issues. Would he make it to the 3rd round? Pretty similar to Da'Rick Rogers and he is mocked in the 3rd by most people. Don't get me wrong, I'm glad that the Browns used their second round pick to get Gordon last year but it's interesting to think about where he would have gone in the actual draft after having to take a full year off of football.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 9:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

pmk wrote:
The more interesting question is where would Gordon go had he not been taken in the supplemental draft. This is looking like a pretty deep WR class with lots of guys who have similar physical skillsets to Gordon without missing a year of football and the off the field issues. Would he make it to the 3rd round? Pretty similar to Da'Rick Rogers and he is mocked in the 3rd by most people. Don't get me wrong, I'm glad that the Browns used their second round pick to get Gordon last year but it's interesting to think about where he would have gone in the actual draft after having to take a full year off of football.


If he was in the draft right now, not having played for us last year, I doubt he is a 1st rounder. The year off is a big value hit for the draft.

And when I asked if we were offered pick 7 straight up for Gordon would you take it...................I wasn't trying to imply it would be some slam dunk accept. I can't say for sure if I would take it or not.
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