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PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 3:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I dont need a roll model. My children have their parents and family to model themselves after. What a player does off the field short of what O.J did matters little to me. Their political views or sexual orientation is none of my concern.

All I need to know about them is can they help my beloved 49ers win another Lombardi. If they can then great but if they can't "HIT THE ROAD LOSER".

When I watch a game I see 11 red and gold uniforms running around on the field.Nothing more nothing less.


If you don't recognize that kids look up to rock tars and sports stars, and they DO have an influence, you are missing an important part of this discussion. Parents are a kids biggest influence, but not their only influence - not by a long shot. If I was a paret now I would not want my child looking up to someone whose values do not represent the ones I am trying to teach.

I'm not saying in this post or my other one that I want him off the team or that I can only accept a team of "good guys" Im merely addressing the question of who in the word should care about a sports guy's off field behavior. I think the answer is, or ought to be, every parent who has a kid that can be influenced or will be influenced by bad behavior ...

If he takes drugs, why shouldn't I? If he treats women badly, why shouldn't I? Etc.
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Ack! Far from it. I had no idea what you were talking about until J posted that picture. I just meant that worldliness and cultivation are not important qualities in a football player, but discipline is. Chris Culliver is not suddenly going to become a free-thinking man of the world, and really, who cares? All he needs to learn to do is keep his foolishness to himself. It's really not that hard.
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This isn't news if he doesn't make those homophobic comments before the SB.
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NINERFAN_4_LIFE wrote:
Honestly... who the F cares about his political views, what he thinks of men or women, what kind of education he has, where he is from, or if his skin color is black white blue green or orange... all i care about is can the kid play football at an elite level? Yes. Does the kid work hard? Yes. Does he rise to the occasion? Most of the time yes albeit he had a sub par game in the SB and wasn't as "shut down" later in the season as he was early on. But its not like he was making bonehead plays or anything like that, a lot of the passes completed against him were just perfect passes. There is no defense for a perfect pass. Culliver is still growing as a player and a man, I don't think this will have any effect on his future. No reason to get all uppity about it.

[sarcasm]omg no way a professional athlete used a derogatory word towards women? Let's get him with our pitch forks and torches [/ sarcasm]

Honestly you could say this about Aldon, Anthony Davis, crabs... none of them are bad guys by any means, and they all are superb footballers.

IF YOU ARE A TRUE FAN YOU SUPPORT YOUR PLAYERS YOU DONT TEAR THEM DOWN for no reason. If they struggle on the field that's one thing, but for this? Or what he said before the SB? Its all just background noise getting in the way of the big picture... non issue

When did the world become so politically correct?


Without addressing his specific comments but more the general gist of your post I will respond by saying that for what it's worth count me as someone who cares about some of this. I'd would like the guys I cheer for and hold up as "heroes" of sorts to also be good, decent people with some character. I would also greatly prefer that guys who are kids are gooing t addmire and who are going to become role models for kids behave in ways that are worth having kids emulate. My question sort of in line with yours would be when did the world become so infatuated with winning at any cost that people no longer care about things like simple decency? When did the world become such that as long as someone wears the colors of one's favorite team it doesn't matter what kind of person they are?



The World has always been obsessed with winning at all costs. Thats why at one time the USA was the most dominant nation in the world. The change in attitude in this country is why we accept mediocrity and losing. Just my opinion on that.

second, I ama parent and it is my and solely my responsibility to raise my kid to understand that the things he sees from celebrities, athletes, musicians is not the actions to look up to in this world. If he wants to emulate their game or their work ethic then fine, but its my job to explain to him that the way that people act in this world is not the way he has to act. People will choose their beliefs and their own actions and we cannot prevent that, but I get so sick and tired of hearing this "it takes a village" mantra when it comes to raising kids. You know what it takes to raise a kid? dedication, hard work, patioence and pride. Not a goddamn community, not some guy that can run a 4.3 40. Sorry, but this is a rager for me.

Thirdly, this guy should bever be looked at as a hero in any way. No athlete should. What the hell are they doping that is so heroic? Dont get me wrong, I do not find it wrong to admire these guys for what they are able to do on a football field and I believe they should have standards, but it is not my duty to crucify them when they do what is human nature for them to do. Most of these guys have a locker room mentality and they release it to the public.

I think for me I see these guys for what they really are. Really talented athletes who in most cases would spit in our directions as opposed to shake our hands. I think of them as what they are.....entertainment.

Not meant to target your opinions, but this is just how i feel about it.
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rice wasn't close to do as good as his stats would lead one to assume


okie dokie!!! He only had 1200 rec yards at 40, but he clearly isnt as good as it appears.
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SFaithful97 wrote:
If kids look up to his athleticism that is great. They should strive to play hard, work hard and make it to the NFL one day if that is their dream. That said, if kids are getting their morality from sports and the players they watch (and see essentially nothing of them in their personal lives) then that falls on bad parenting. It is a parents responsibility to raise kids right, and instill the morals they agree with in their children. I don't like this passing the buck BS of calling athletes role models. It is an excuse for [inappropriate/removed] parents to pass the buck for their own shortfalls as parents.


As a child, my mother prevented me from being exposed to poor role models as children are highly-influenced by their heroes regardless of what a parent might want. She removed influences she found to be poor so that way it was her parenting that would serve as my moral influence above anything else. As a parent, I would choose to do the same. So if a football player on a child's favorite team is perceived to be a poor influence, then yes - that is a problem.

To me - it's fine that people are okay with this, as that's their own personal opinion. But you have to be just as okay with people who now think less of the guy.


My mom was similar, but you know what it is 100% impossible to prevent your child from experiencing bad influences or bad role models. Unless they are helicopter parents who literally spend every moment with their kids. You have bad role models in school, on athletic teams, churches, everywhere. Hell look out the window today. The world is full of these people.

I was raised to make my own decisions in life. I curse like a sailor and have for a very long time, like since i was 10. I have gone out drinking and drove home....I have been to parties where there was heavy drug use. I never did it. the fact remains that I am an upstanding member of society who is cogniscent of my actions and how to act in public, but there was a time when I'm sure I was a mis informed idiot in public.

I dont see many saying you cant dislike Culliver, I for one think people get tired of the lack of personal responsibility that parents have for raising their kids.
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okie dokie!!! He only had 1200 rec yards at 40, but he clearly isnt as good as it appears.
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big9erfan wrote:
NINERFAN_4_LIFE wrote:
Honestly... who the F cares about his political views, what he thinks of men or women, what kind of education he has, where he is from, or if his skin color is black white blue green or orange... all i care about is can the kid play football at an elite level? Yes. Does the kid work hard? Yes. Does he rise to the occasion? Most of the time yes albeit he had a sub par game in the SB and wasn't as "shut down" later in the season as he was early on. But its not like he was making bonehead plays or anything like that, a lot of the passes completed against him were just perfect passes. There is no defense for a perfect pass. Culliver is still growing as a player and a man, I don't think this will have any effect on his future. No reason to get all uppity about it.

[sarcasm]omg no way a professional athlete used a derogatory word towards women? Let's get him with our pitch forks and torches [/ sarcasm]

Honestly you could say this about Aldon, Anthony Davis, crabs... none of them are bad guys by any means, and they all are superb footballers.

IF YOU ARE A TRUE FAN YOU SUPPORT YOUR PLAYERS YOU DONT TEAR THEM DOWN for no reason. If they struggle on the field that's one thing, but for this? Or what he said before the SB? Its all just background noise getting in the way of the big picture... non issue

When did the world become so politically correct?


Without addressing his specific comments but more the general gist of your post I will respond by saying that for what it's worth count me as someone who cares about some of this. I'd would like the guys I cheer for and hold up as "heroes" of sorts to also be good, decent people with some character. I would also greatly prefer that guys who are kids are gooing t addmire and who are going to become role models for kids behave in ways that are worth having kids emulate. My question sort of in line with yours would be when did the world become so infatuated with winning at any cost that people no longer care about things like simple decency? When did the world become such that as long as someone wears the colors of one's favorite team it doesn't matter what kind of person they are?



The World has always been obsessed with winning at all costs. Thats why at one time the USA was the most dominant nation in the world. The change in attitude in this country is why we accept mediocrity and losing. Just my opinion on that.

second, I ama parent and it is my and solely my responsibility to raise my kid to understand that the things he sees from celebrities, athletes, musicians is not the actions to look up to in this world. If he wants to emulate their game or their work ethic then fine, but its my job to explain to him that the way that people act in this world is not the way he has to act. People will choose their beliefs and their own actions and we cannot prevent that, but I get so sick and tired of hearing this "it takes a village" mantra when it comes to raising kids. You know what it takes to raise a kid? dedication, hard work, patioence and pride. Not a goddamn community, not some guy that can run a 4.3 40. Sorry, but this is a rager for me.

Thirdly, this guy should bever be looked at as a hero in any way. No athlete should. What the hell are they doping that is so heroic? Dont get me wrong, I do not find it wrong to admire these guys for what they are able to do on a football field and I believe they should have standards, but it is not my duty to crucify them when they do what is human nature for them to do. Most of these guys have a locker room mentality and they release it to the public.

I think for me I see these guys for what they really are. Really talented athletes who in most cases would spit in our directions as opposed to shake our hands. I think of them as what they are.....entertainment.

Not meant to target your opinions, but this is just how i feel about it.


Another human being, athlete or not, should never simply be there for "entertainment".

As previously mentioned, these guys also represent a world renowned business and get paid very well for it too. They're not rock stars or actors, they're essentially business men. They don't get the same leeway as other celebrities.

While it might be solely your responsibility to raise your child, that doesn't mean that's what happens. I don't know about you, but I can remember as a young teenager that me and my friends often found rebels and trouble-makers cool. It's just the way it goes.

I'm all for sports stars having their own personas and being out there (hell, I can't say I like the guys with the squeaky clean image who answer every media question the same each time any more than I like guys like Chris), it's just about learning the balance.
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clarkfn2284 wrote:
big9erfan wrote:
NINERFAN_4_LIFE wrote:
Honestly... who the F cares about his political views, what he thinks of men or women, what kind of education he has, where he is from, or if his skin color is black white blue green or orange... all i care about is can the kid play football at an elite level? Yes. Does the kid work hard? Yes. Does he rise to the occasion? Most of the time yes albeit he had a sub par game in the SB and wasn't as "shut down" later in the season as he was early on. But its not like he was making bonehead plays or anything like that, a lot of the passes completed against him were just perfect passes. There is no defense for a perfect pass. Culliver is still growing as a player and a man, I don't think this will have any effect on his future. No reason to get all uppity about it.

[sarcasm]omg no way a professional athlete used a derogatory word towards women? Let's get him with our pitch forks and torches [/ sarcasm]

Honestly you could say this about Aldon, Anthony Davis, crabs... none of them are bad guys by any means, and they all are superb footballers.

IF YOU ARE A TRUE FAN YOU SUPPORT YOUR PLAYERS YOU DONT TEAR THEM DOWN for no reason. If they struggle on the field that's one thing, but for this? Or what he said before the SB? Its all just background noise getting in the way of the big picture... non issue

When did the world become so politically correct?


Without addressing his specific comments but more the general gist of your post I will respond by saying that for what it's worth count me as someone who cares about some of this. I'd would like the guys I cheer for and hold up as "heroes" of sorts to also be good, decent people with some character. I would also greatly prefer that guys who are kids are gooing t addmire and who are going to become role models for kids behave in ways that are worth having kids emulate. My question sort of in line with yours would be when did the world become so infatuated with winning at any cost that people no longer care about things like simple decency? When did the world become such that as long as someone wears the colors of one's favorite team it doesn't matter what kind of person they are?



The World has always been obsessed with winning at all costs. Thats why at one time the USA was the most dominant nation in the world. The change in attitude in this country is why we accept mediocrity and losing. Just my opinion on that.

second, I ama parent and it is my and solely my responsibility to raise my kid to understand that the things he sees from celebrities, athletes, musicians is not the actions to look up to in this world. If he wants to emulate their game or their work ethic then fine, but its my job to explain to him that the way that people act in this world is not the way he has to act. People will choose their beliefs and their own actions and we cannot prevent that, but I get so sick and tired of hearing this "it takes a village" mantra when it comes to raising kids. You know what it takes to raise a kid? dedication, hard work, patioence and pride. Not a goddamn community, not some guy that can run a 4.3 40. Sorry, but this is a rager for me.

Thirdly, this guy should bever be looked at as a hero in any way. No athlete should. What the hell are they doping that is so heroic? Dont get me wrong, I do not find it wrong to admire these guys for what they are able to do on a football field and I believe they should have standards, but it is not my duty to crucify them when they do what is human nature for them to do. Most of these guys have a locker room mentality and they release it to the public.

I think for me I see these guys for what they really are. Really talented athletes who in most cases would spit in our directions as opposed to shake our hands. I think of them as what they are.....entertainment.

Not meant to target your opinions, but this is just how i feel about it.


I understand what you're saying and agree. It's a parent's job, not the world's. But it's a plain and simple fact, not even arguable, that kids ARE influened by the thinngs they see around them, despite how they are raised. And it's completety naive and unrealistic to think that sports stars are not heroes to many young kids. And finally it's admirable when parents do a good job of parenting and giving their kids a good set of values. But not every kid id lucky to have parents like that. so while your kids might ignore the badd behavior they see in the stars they admire, not all kids have that solid founndation and will be more influenced than your kids.

Yes, we can't shelteer them from the world. But that wasn't the point being made by the OP or by me. This was not attack on Culiver or on anyone's parenting skills My comments were solely directedd ath the "who cares" part of the originnal post. I was simply saying that I, for one, care about what kind of character guys have whether that's in my peronal life or in my sports life - or in the sports life of young kids who ARE impressionable despite the efforts of their parents to teach them a set of values. I can admmire their fottball skills or their singing skills but still care about what kind of role model they are to the young children of this world.
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big9erfan wrote:
clarkfn2284 wrote:
big9erfan wrote:
NINERFAN_4_LIFE wrote:
Honestly... who the F cares about his political views, what he thinks of men or women, what kind of education he has, where he is from, or if his skin color is black white blue green or orange... all i care about is can the kid play football at an elite level? Yes. Does the kid work hard? Yes. Does he rise to the occasion? Most of the time yes albeit he had a sub par game in the SB and wasn't as "shut down" later in the season as he was early on. But its not like he was making bonehead plays or anything like that, a lot of the passes completed against him were just perfect passes. There is no defense for a perfect pass. Culliver is still growing as a player and a man, I don't think this will have any effect on his future. No reason to get all uppity about it.

[sarcasm]omg no way a professional athlete used a derogatory word towards women? Let's get him with our pitch forks and torches [/ sarcasm]

Honestly you could say this about Aldon, Anthony Davis, crabs... none of them are bad guys by any means, and they all are superb footballers.

IF YOU ARE A TRUE FAN YOU SUPPORT YOUR PLAYERS YOU DONT TEAR THEM DOWN for no reason. If they struggle on the field that's one thing, but for this? Or what he said before the SB? Its all just background noise getting in the way of the big picture... non issue

When did the world become so politically correct?


Without addressing his specific comments but more the general gist of your post I will respond by saying that for what it's worth count me as someone who cares about some of this. I'd would like the guys I cheer for and hold up as "heroes" of sorts to also be good, decent people with some character. I would also greatly prefer that guys who are kids are gooing t addmire and who are going to become role models for kids behave in ways that are worth having kids emulate. My question sort of in line with yours would be when did the world become so infatuated with winning at any cost that people no longer care about things like simple decency? When did the world become such that as long as someone wears the colors of one's favorite team it doesn't matter what kind of person they are?



The World has always been obsessed with winning at all costs. Thats why at one time the USA was the most dominant nation in the world. The change in attitude in this country is why we accept mediocrity and losing. Just my opinion on that.

second, I ama parent and it is my and solely my responsibility to raise my kid to understand that the things he sees from celebrities, athletes, musicians is not the actions to look up to in this world. If he wants to emulate their game or their work ethic then fine, but its my job to explain to him that the way that people act in this world is not the way he has to act. People will choose their beliefs and their own actions and we cannot prevent that, but I get so sick and tired of hearing this "it takes a village" mantra when it comes to raising kids. You know what it takes to raise a kid? dedication, hard work, patioence and pride. Not a goddamn community, not some guy that can run a 4.3 40. Sorry, but this is a rager for me.

Thirdly, this guy should bever be looked at as a hero in any way. No athlete should. What the hell are they doping that is so heroic? Dont get me wrong, I do not find it wrong to admire these guys for what they are able to do on a football field and I believe they should have standards, but it is not my duty to crucify them when they do what is human nature for them to do. Most of these guys have a locker room mentality and they release it to the public.

I think for me I see these guys for what they really are. Really talented athletes who in most cases would spit in our directions as opposed to shake our hands. I think of them as what they are.....entertainment.

Not meant to target your opinions, but this is just how i feel about it.


I understand what you're saying and agree. It's a parent's job, not the world's. But it's a plain and simple fact, not even arguable, that kids ARE influened by the thinngs they see around them, despite how they are raised. And it's completety naive and unrealistic to think that sports stars are not heroes to many young kids. And finally it's admirable when parents do a good job of parenting and giving their kids a good set of values. But not every kid id lucky to have parents like that. so while your kids might ignore the badd behavior they see in the stars they admire, not all kids have that solid founndation and will be more influenced than your kids.

Yes, we can't shelteer them from the world. But that wasn't the point being made by the OP or by me. This was not attack on Culiver or on anyone's parenting skills My comments were solely directedd ath the "who cares" part of the originnal post. I was simply saying that I, for one, care about what kind of character guys have whether that's in my peronal life or in my sports life - or in the sports life of young kids who ARE impressionable despite the efforts of their parents to teach them a set of values. I can admmire their fottball skills or their singing skills but still care about what kind of role model they are to the young children of this world.



Absolutely we cannot shelter the kids from it, but at the same time we cannot crucify Culliver for acting the way that most of society acts. People tend to be conditioned by what they are surrounded by. We have a society that generally doesn't think for themselves anymore.

This guy is surrounded by a locker room mentality. I play baseball and I tell my wife not to bring my kid to the dugout because we as baseball players are the most agregious offenders of inconsiderate foul, derogatory language. It doesn't make someone a bad person.

People act like Culliver is a bad guy for saying the things that he said......I have said the exact things that he said. I have used the same terms or something similar in discussions with my buddies. It doesn't mean it's necessarily how you feel.

I think people are making it much too big of an issue and if anyone is stunned by hearing a pro athlete say this then I don't know what to tell that person. If people want these guys to be role models and heros then they need to first look up the definition of hero...then be ready to teach and explain to their kids and themselves in some instances when these things happen.
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okie dokie!!! He only had 1200 rec yards at 40, but he clearly isnt as good as it appears.
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NINERFAN_4_LIFE wrote:
Honestly... who the F cares about his political views, what he thinks of men or women, what kind of education he has, where he is from, or if his skin color is black white blue green or orange... all i care about is can the kid play football at an elite level? Yes. Does the kid work hard? Yes. Does he rise to the occasion? Most of the time yes albeit he had a sub par game in the SB and wasn't as "shut down" later in the season as he was early on. But its not like he was making bonehead plays or anything like that, a lot of the passes completed against him were just perfect passes. There is no defense for a perfect pass. Culliver is still growing as a player and a man, I don't think this will have any effect on his future. No reason to get all uppity about it.

[sarcasm]omg no way a professional athlete used a derogatory word towards women? Let's get him with our pitch forks and torches [/ sarcasm]

Honestly you could say this about Aldon, Anthony Davis, crabs... none of them are bad guys by any means, and they all are superb footballers.

IF YOU ARE A TRUE FAN YOU SUPPORT YOUR PLAYERS YOU DONT TEAR THEM DOWN for no reason. If they struggle on the field that's one thing, but for this? Or what he said before the SB? Its all just background noise getting in the way of the big picture... non issue


When did the world become so politically correct?



I agree man
while i dont like what he's saying, He isnt hurting anyone other than their feelings. Now if they said he was a rapist or woman beater or gay-basher (physically) then I'd say yeah 86 him.

but folks that are talking about getting rid of him because of some stupid stuff he said? get real people and please get outside of your "feelings" Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes
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Honestly this isn't even that serious. He plays football so this is becoming a bigger deal than it needs to be. I guarantee you 99% of professional sports players agree with what Chris Culliver posted. His only mistake is posting that on IG. THAT was dumb. But the infraction itself isn't something serious at all.


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4evera9er wrote:
clarkfn2284 wrote:
big9erfan wrote:
NINERFAN_4_LIFE wrote:
Honestly... who the F cares about his political views, what he thinks of men or women, what kind of education he has, where he is from, or if his skin color is black white blue green or orange... all i care about is can the kid play football at an elite level? Yes. Does the kid work hard? Yes. Does he rise to the occasion? Most of the time yes albeit he had a sub par game in the SB and wasn't as "shut down" later in the season as he was early on. But its not like he was making bonehead plays or anything like that, a lot of the passes completed against him were just perfect passes. There is no defense for a perfect pass. Culliver is still growing as a player and a man, I don't think this will have any effect on his future. No reason to get all uppity about it.

[sarcasm]omg no way a professional athlete used a derogatory word towards women? Let's get him with our pitch forks and torches [/ sarcasm]

Honestly you could say this about Aldon, Anthony Davis, crabs... none of them are bad guys by any means, and they all are superb footballers.

IF YOU ARE A TRUE FAN YOU SUPPORT YOUR PLAYERS YOU DONT TEAR THEM DOWN for no reason. If they struggle on the field that's one thing, but for this? Or what he said before the SB? Its all just background noise getting in the way of the big picture... non issue

When did the world become so politically correct?


Without addressing his specific comments but more the general gist of your post I will respond by saying that for what it's worth count me as someone who cares about some of this. I'd would like the guys I cheer for and hold up as "heroes" of sorts to also be good, decent people with some character. I would also greatly prefer that guys who are kids are gooing t addmire and who are going to become role models for kids behave in ways that are worth having kids emulate. My question sort of in line with yours would be when did the world become so infatuated with winning at any cost that people no longer care about things like simple decency? When did the world become such that as long as someone wears the colors of one's favorite team it doesn't matter what kind of person they are?



The World has always been obsessed with winning at all costs. Thats why at one time the USA was the most dominant nation in the world. The change in attitude in this country is why we accept mediocrity and losing. Just my opinion on that.

second, I ama parent and it is my and solely my responsibility to raise my kid to understand that the things he sees from celebrities, athletes, musicians is not the actions to look up to in this world. If he wants to emulate their game or their work ethic then fine, but its my job to explain to him that the way that people act in this world is not the way he has to act. People will choose their beliefs and their own actions and we cannot prevent that, but I get so sick and tired of hearing this "it takes a village" mantra when it comes to raising kids. You know what it takes to raise a kid? dedication, hard work, patioence and pride. Not a goddamn community, not some guy that can run a 4.3 40. Sorry, but this is a rager for me.

Thirdly, this guy should bever be looked at as a hero in any way. No athlete should. What the hell are they doping that is so heroic? Dont get me wrong, I do not find it wrong to admire these guys for what they are able to do on a football field and I believe they should have standards, but it is not my duty to crucify them when they do what is human nature for them to do. Most of these guys have a locker room mentality and they release it to the public.

I think for me I see these guys for what they really are. Really talented athletes who in most cases would spit in our directions as opposed to shake our hands. I think of them as what they are.....entertainment.

Not meant to target your opinions, but this is just how i feel about it.


Another human being, athlete or not, should never simply be there for "entertainment".

As previously mentioned, these guys also represent a world renowned business and get paid very well for it too. They're not rock stars or actors, they're essentially business men. They don't get the same leeway as other celebrities.

While it might be solely your responsibility to raise your child, that doesn't mean that's what happens. I don't know about you, but I can remember as a young teenager that me and my friends often found rebels and trouble-makers cool. It's just the way it goes.

I'm all for sports stars having their own personas and being out there (hell, I can't say I like the guys with the squeaky clean image who answer every media question the same each time any more than I like guys like Chris), it's just about learning the balance.


These guys are business men you are right, but they are in business for themselves in most cases and ALL of them are independent contractors. Yes they are the property of organizations. The same organizations that can release them with no guaranteed money. Not many businesses where you can have a salaried contract and not have it the next day.

They don't get the same leeway as celebrities? What world do you live in? They are all one in the same. No matter what they do, if they are good at it they will find work. See Charlie Sheen. See Pacman Jones. The only difference is that as an athlete you can't perform at 60.

When I was a kid I liked a myriad of different athletes, but that was 12 years ago. I didn't have Twiiter and Facebook and Instagram. We didn't have access to the athletes thoughts in a 24 hour news cycle like the kids do today.

I loved Will Clark. I emulated the way he played. His intensity and desire to step on an opponents throat to win, but when I got older I learned he was a racist. I still love Will Clark for all the same reasons. I was taught to know that all we know about these guys is what we see on the field/court. Even today with as much as we have available to us that is just a mere snapshot of the everyday lives that these guys lead.You have to be aware of that. You also have to acknowledge that people will disappoint you all the time.

As far as these guys being entertainment. It's what they are man. Cut and dry.do you think about Chris Culliver on a Tuesday morning for any other reason other than the fact that he is a football player. Hell no! I think about Culliver and every other athlete in the world strictly when they are on the field or when a discussion about it is prompted. They are getting paid the money they are because we attend and watch the games because it entertains us. If it wasn't entertaining we wouldn't watch.

I refuse to bury my head in the sand and pretend that I don't watch for entertainment purposes. I also refuse to lie to myself about the level of care I have for these guys. Do I want them to succeed on the field? 100% yes. Do I care if they fail at life outside? No way. It's not my worry or problem.
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rice wasn't close to do as good as his stats would lead one to assume


okie dokie!!! He only had 1200 rec yards at 40, but he clearly isnt as good as it appears.
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NINERFAN_4_LIFE wrote:
Honestly... who the F cares about his political views, what he thinks of men or women, what kind of education he has, where he is from, or if his skin color is black white blue green or orange... all i care about is can the kid play football at an elite level? Yes. Does the kid work hard? Yes. Does he rise to the occasion? Most of the time yes albeit he had a sub par game in the SB and wasn't as "shut down" later in the season as he was early on. But its not like he was making bonehead plays or anything like that, a lot of the passes completed against him were just perfect passes. There is no defense for a perfect pass. Culliver is still growing as a player and a man, I don't think this will have any effect on his future. No reason to get all uppity about it.

[sarcasm]omg no way a professional athlete used a derogatory word towards women? Let's get him with our pitch forks and torches [/ sarcasm]

Honestly you could say this about Aldon, Anthony Davis, crabs... none of them are bad guys by any means, and they all are superb footballers.

IF YOU ARE A TRUE FAN YOU SUPPORT YOUR PLAYERS YOU DONT TEAR THEM DOWN for no reason. If they struggle on the field that's one thing, but for this? Or what he said before the SB? Its all just background noise getting in the way of the big picture... non issue


When did the world become so politically correct?



I agree man
while i dont like what he's saying, He isnt hurting anyone other than their feelings. Now if they said he was a rapist or woman beater or gay-basher (physically) then I'd say yeah 86 him.

but folks that are talking about getting rid of him because of some stupid stuff he said? get real people and please get outside of your "feelings" Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes


100% this.
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okie dokie!!! He only had 1200 rec yards at 40, but he clearly isnt as good as it appears.
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NINERFAN_4_LIFE wrote:
Honestly... who the F cares about his political views, what he thinks of men or women, what kind of education he has, where he is from, or if his skin color is black white blue green or orange... all i care about is can the kid play football at an elite level? Yes. Does the kid work hard? Yes. Does he rise to the occasion? Most of the time yes albeit he had a sub par game in the SB and wasn't as "shut down" later in the season as he was early on. But its not like he was making bonehead plays or anything like that, a lot of the passes completed against him were just perfect passes. There is no defense for a perfect pass. Culliver is still growing as a player and a man, I don't think this will have any effect on his future. No reason to get all uppity about it.

[sarcasm]omg no way a professional athlete used a derogatory word towards women? Let's get him with our pitch forks and torches [/ sarcasm]

Honestly you could say this about Aldon, Anthony Davis, crabs... none of them are bad guys by any means, and they all are superb footballers.

IF YOU ARE A TRUE FAN YOU SUPPORT YOUR PLAYERS YOU DONT TEAR THEM DOWN for no reason. If they struggle on the field that's one thing, but for this? Or what he said before the SB? Its all just background noise getting in the way of the big picture... non issue


When did the world become so politically correct?



I agree man
while i dont like what he's saying, He isnt hurting anyone other than their feelings. Now if they said he was a rapist or woman beater or gay-basher (physically) then I'd say yeah 86 him.

but folks that are talking about getting rid of him because of some stupid stuff he said? get real people and please get outside of your "feelings" Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes


... or perhaps some should read the posts in this thread a little more carefully. There is not a single post in this thread by anyone talking about getting rid of him, much less anything even remotely like "crucifying" him. I, for one, have said exactly nothing at all about Culliver. In fact, I have no idea what he actually said. The discussion has been almost exclusively about whether the character of the guys on your favorite team matters to you or not.

Here's an old joke. A man sees a beatiful woman sitting in a bar, goes up to her and asks if she'd have sex with him for a milion dollars. She thnks about it for a moment and says "sure". He hands her a hundred dollar bill and says "let's go" She repsonds by saying "what kind of a women do you think I am?". His response is "we've already established that, now we're just arguing about the price."

How is that relevant, you womder? Well you said you would have a problem with a guy who was a wife beater or who "physically" bashed gays rather thann verbally. And someone else mentioned OJ. I would suggest those are examples of you and the other person actually agreeing that you care about some behavior on the part of the guys on your favorite team. After that it's just a matter of where different people draw the line.

You may think verbally abusine someone isn't "hurting anyone", but I'd suggest you talk to more people that have been verbally abused, and maybe talk to women and gays about how they feel they are treated by men, or by society. Hitting someone physically is most assuredly not the only way to hurt someone.
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big9erfan wrote:
Pandomonium wrote:
NINERFAN_4_LIFE wrote:
Honestly... who the F cares about his political views, what he thinks of men or women, what kind of education he has, where he is from, or if his skin color is black white blue green or orange... all i care about is can the kid play football at an elite level? Yes. Does the kid work hard? Yes. Does he rise to the occasion? Most of the time yes albeit he had a sub par game in the SB and wasn't as "shut down" later in the season as he was early on. But its not like he was making bonehead plays or anything like that, a lot of the passes completed against him were just perfect passes. There is no defense for a perfect pass. Culliver is still growing as a player and a man, I don't think this will have any effect on his future. No reason to get all uppity about it.

[sarcasm]omg no way a professional athlete used a derogatory word towards women? Let's get him with our pitch forks and torches [/ sarcasm]

Honestly you could say this about Aldon, Anthony Davis, crabs... none of them are bad guys by any means, and they all are superb footballers.

IF YOU ARE A TRUE FAN YOU SUPPORT YOUR PLAYERS YOU DONT TEAR THEM DOWN for no reason. If they struggle on the field that's one thing, but for this? Or what he said before the SB? Its all just background noise getting in the way of the big picture... non issue


When did the world become so politically correct?



I agree man
while i dont like what he's saying, He isnt hurting anyone other than their feelings. Now if they said he was a rapist or woman beater or gay-basher (physically) then I'd say yeah 86 him.

but folks that are talking about getting rid of him because of some stupid stuff he said? get real people and please get outside of your "feelings" Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes


... or perhaps some should read the posts in this thread a little more carefully. There is not a single post in this thread by anyone talking about getting rid of him, much less anything even remotely like "crucifying" him. I, for one, have said exactly nothing at all about Culliver. In fact, I have no idea what he actually said. The discussion has been almost exclusively about whether the character of the guys on your favorite team matters to you or not.

Here's an old joke. A man sees a beatiful woman sitting in a bar, goes up to her and asks if she'd have sex with him for a milion dollars. She thnks about it for a moment and says "sure". He hands her a hundred dollar bill and says "let's go" She repsonds by saying "what kind of a women do you think I am?". His response is "we've already established that, now we're just arguing about the price."

How is that relevant, you womder? Well you said you would have a problem with a guy who was a wife beater or who "physically" bashed gays rather thann verbally. And someone else mentioned OJ. I would suggest those are examples of you and the other person actually agreeing that you care about some behavior on the part of the guys on your favorite team. After that it's just a matter of where different people draw the line.

You may think verbally abusine someone isn't "hurting anyone", but I'd suggest you talk to more people that have been verbally abused, and maybe talk to women and gays about how they feel they are treated by men, or by society. Hitting someone physically is most assuredly not the only way to hurt someone.


it is just an indictment of how weak our society has become. "words" are just what they are and pardon me if some folks are just too damned sensitive and whine and cry about feelings all on this thread.

"wah wah wah you hurt my feelings!!!!"

so what? it doesn't make him less of a ball player and that whole role model thing is completely overrated. If your kids look at athletes as role models as far as how to live in this world. then that is an indictment of your crappy parenting period.

again I don't agree with any of the things he says. i just think many of you are whining and being too damned sensitive.

and FYI there's a HUGE difference between someone USING WORDS and PHYSICALLY ASSAULTING someone. You can call me out of my name all day and I can have my feelings hurt but its still JUST WORDS and not one law has been broken. But if you physically accost someone then you are breaking the law and then it needs to be addressed and dealt with.

so in essence your analogy is as irrelevant as clowns at a funeral. But i guess its relevant to you because you're one of those people who love to wear their feeling on their sleeves and are making a big deal about what is really nothing.

when Culliver decides to break laws or jeopardize the team by doing things that will negatively affect his play, then it will become and issue to me and many others on this board. until then this whole thing is a gigantic waste of space.
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Pandomonium wrote:
big9erfan wrote:
Pandomonium wrote:
NINERFAN_4_LIFE wrote:
Honestly... who the F cares about his political views, what he thinks of men or women, what kind of education he has, where he is from, or if his skin color is black white blue green or orange... all i care about is can the kid play football at an elite level? Yes. Does the kid work hard? Yes. Does he rise to the occasion? Most of the time yes albeit he had a sub par game in the SB and wasn't as "shut down" later in the season as he was early on. But its not like he was making bonehead plays or anything like that, a lot of the passes completed against him were just perfect passes. There is no defense for a perfect pass. Culliver is still growing as a player and a man, I don't think this will have any effect on his future. No reason to get all uppity about it.

[sarcasm]omg no way a professional athlete used a derogatory word towards women? Let's get him with our pitch forks and torches [/ sarcasm]

Honestly you could say this about Aldon, Anthony Davis, crabs... none of them are bad guys by any means, and they all are superb footballers.

IF YOU ARE A TRUE FAN YOU SUPPORT YOUR PLAYERS YOU DONT TEAR THEM DOWN for no reason. If they struggle on the field that's one thing, but for this? Or what he said before the SB? Its all just background noise getting in the way of the big picture... non issue


When did the world become so politically correct?



I agree man
while i dont like what he's saying, He isnt hurting anyone other than their feelings. Now if they said he was a rapist or woman beater or gay-basher (physically) then I'd say yeah 86 him.

but folks that are talking about getting rid of him because of some stupid stuff he said? get real people and please get outside of your "feelings" Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes


... or perhaps some should read the posts in this thread a little more carefully. There is not a single post in this thread by anyone talking about getting rid of him, much less anything even remotely like "crucifying" him. I, for one, have said exactly nothing at all about Culliver. In fact, I have no idea what he actually said. The discussion has been almost exclusively about whether the character of the guys on your favorite team matters to you or not.

Here's an old joke. A man sees a beatiful woman sitting in a bar, goes up to her and asks if she'd have sex with him for a milion dollars. She thnks about it for a moment and says "sure". He hands her a hundred dollar bill and says "let's go" She repsonds by saying "what kind of a women do you think I am?". His response is "we've already established that, now we're just arguing about the price."

How is that relevant, you womder? Well you said you would have a problem with a guy who was a wife beater or who "physically" bashed gays rather thann verbally. And someone else mentioned OJ. I would suggest those are examples of you and the other person actually agreeing that you care about some behavior on the part of the guys on your favorite team. After that it's just a matter of where different people draw the line.

You may think verbally abusine someone isn't "hurting anyone", but I'd suggest you talk to more people that have been verbally abused, and maybe talk to women and gays about how they feel they are treated by men, or by society. Hitting someone physically is most assuredly not the only way to hurt someone.


it is just an indictment of how weak our society has become. "words" are just what they are and pardon me if some folks are just too damned sensitive and whine and cry about feelings all on this thread.

"wah wah wah you hurt my feelings!!!!"

so what? it doesn't make him less of a ball player and that whole role model thing is completely overrated. If your kids look at athletes as role models as far as how to live in this world. then that is an indictment of your crappy parenting period.

again I don't agree with any of the things he says. i just think many of you are whining and being too damned sensitive.

and FYI there's a HUGE difference between someone USING WORDS and PHYSICALLY ASSAULTING someone. You can call me out of my name all day and I can have my feelings hurt but its still JUST WORDS and not one law has been broken. But if you physically accost someone then you are breaking the law and then it needs to be addressed and dealt with.

so in essence your analogy is as irrelevant as clowns at a funeral. But i guess its relevant to you because you're one of those people who love to wear their feeling on their sleeves and are making a big deal about what is really nothing.

when Culliver decides to break laws or jeopardize the team by doing things that will negatively affect his play, then it will become and issue to me and many others on this board. until then this whole thing is a gigantic waste of space.


I understand what big9er is saying about how verbal abuse can be hurtful to people, but I don't accept it. Just my personal opinion. I would never tell someone not to have their own. That's more agregious to me than anything discussed so far.

I completely agree with Pando. We have the same mindset I guess. Words are words for me. In the end if I cannot handle what someone has said to me I feel it's a very true reflection on my shortcomings and my lack of ownership of who and what I believe in.

If someone believes in something they should be able to stand in front of insults and nay sayers without compromise. Unfortunately I too feel we live in an incredibly soft society that helps everyone up every time they get knocked down rather than teaching someone to dust themselves off and fight for their beliefs. Maybe that's why we generate so many people that are followers instead of leaders. But that's so far off topic.

When it comes to what Cully said regarding women and gays....I just honestly don't care. It doesn't bother me if that's how he feels. I'm not going to tell him to not feel that way. It doesn't even bother me that he put it on Instagram. If people disagree or take it as something so callous then don't support him. That's their perogative.

Maybe this makes me a bad person, I would beg to differ, but I just don't have the kind of time to sit and worry about how a comment made by an athlete effects people.
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okie dokie!!! He only had 1200 rec yards at 40, but he clearly isnt as good as it appears.
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