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PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 9:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd be really surprised if he failed a physical, unless he's been wounding himself over the past month and not telling anyone.

@MikeGarafolo wrote:
Re: rumblings Chiefs concerned about Branden Albert's back, I wouldn't put much into that. He had a full physical last week - and passed it.

And then speculation, for what it's worth.

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Also the Chiefs' tagging Albert indicates they don't have any concerns about his back.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 9:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I fail to see how we don't have all the leverage here? Albert is on record as saying he doesn't want to play RT. The Chiefs are almost certain to go LT at #1. It has been reported that we are the only ones in play for Albert.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 9:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rumless wrote:
I'd be really surprised if he failed a physical, unless he's been wounding himself over the past month and not telling anyone.

@MikeGarafolo wrote:
Re: rumblings Chiefs concerned about Branden Albert's back, I wouldn't put much into that. He had a full physical last week - and passed it.

And then speculation, for what it's worth.

@MikeGarafolo wrote:
Also the Chiefs' tagging Albert indicates they don't have any concerns about his back.
The Chiefs may or may not be concerned about his back but I sure as heck am he has played a full season only once in 5 years and only started 11 games last year because of back spasms. He wants Duane Brown money and the chiefs want pick 42 for that I still confused here.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 9:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

fasel1515 wrote:
I fail to see how we don't have all the leverage here? Albert is on record as saying he doesn't want to play LT. The Chiefs are almost certain to go LT at #1. It has been reported that we are the only ones in play for Albert.

Chiefs don't have to play the #1 pick at LT right away. We have a hole at RT and can plug in Fisher/Joeckel there for a year and then slide him over in a year when Albert leaves.

Chiefs could still sit #1 pick behind Albert if they find an adequate right tackle. Let Fisher/Joeckel learn in spot duty how to play in the NFL and then step up in a year.

Chiefs also aren't going to turn around and spend the near $10 million that Branden is taking up, since we have some breathing room. No pressure to relieve cap space.

The Dolphins, conversely, need a left tackle. Do you really want to trade up and give up multiple picks for Lane Johnson or Fluker? Do you really want to see Jonathan Martin at LT?
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 9:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rumless wrote:
fasel1515 wrote:
I fail to see how we don't have all the leverage here? Albert is on record as saying he doesn't want to play LT. The Chiefs are almost certain to go LT at #1. It has been reported that we are the only ones in play for Albert.

Chiefs don't have to play the #1 pick at LT right away. We have a hole at RT and can plug in Fisher/Joeckel there for a year and then slide him over in a year when Albert leaves.

Chiefs could still sit #1 pick behind Albert if they find an adequate right tackle. Let Fisher/Joeckel learn in spot duty how to play in the NFL and then step up in a year.

Chiefs also aren't going to turn around and spend the near $10 million that Branden is taking up, since we have some breathing room. No pressure to relieve cap space.

The Dolphins, conversely, need a left tackle. Do you really want to trade up and give up multiple picks for Lane Johnson or Fluker? Do you really want to see Jonathan Martin at LT?


You don't draft a guy number 1 overall to play RT....Andy Reid is trying to get greedy....

I kind of hope the deal fall through and the Dolphins sign Winston...or the trade with the Brown and Bess is actually part of a deal to move up to 6 for one of the LTs.
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Rumless wrote:
fasel1515 wrote:
I fail to see how we don't have all the leverage here? Albert is on record as saying he doesn't want to play LT. The Chiefs are almost certain to go LT at #1. It has been reported that we are the only ones in play for Albert.

Chiefs don't have to play the #1 pick at LT right away. We have a hole at RT and can plug in Fisher/Joeckel there for a year and then slide him over in a year when Albert leaves.

Chiefs could still sit #1 pick behind Albert if they find an adequate right tackle. Let Fisher/Joeckel learn in spot duty how to play in the NFL and then step up in a year.

Chiefs also aren't going to turn around and spend the near $10 million that Branden is taking up, since we have some breathing room. No pressure to relieve cap space.

The Dolphins, conversely, need a left tackle. Do you really want to trade up and give up multiple picks for Lane Johnson or Fluker? Do you really want to see Jonathan Martin at LT?


LOL at spending #1 on a RT or a guy who isn't even going to start the first year... We have other options then Albert btw. The fact you put Fluker as an option for us shows how much you know about our team.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 10:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rumless wrote:
Chiefs don't have to play the #1 pick at LT right away. We have a hole at RT and can plug in Fisher/Joeckel there for a year and then slide him over in a year when Albert leaves.

Chiefs could still sit #1 pick behind Albert if they find an adequate right tackle. Let Fisher/Joeckel learn in spot duty how to play in the NFL and then step up in a year.

Chiefs also aren't going to turn around and spend the near $10 million that Branden is taking up, since we have some breathing room. No pressure to relieve cap space.

The Dolphins, conversely, need a left tackle. Do you really want to trade up and give up multiple picks for Lane Johnson or Fluker? Do you really want to see Jonathan Martin at LT?


None of Miami or KC has more leverage than the other. KC has what Miami wants, but Albert isn't Miami's only option.

If the price isn't right for Ireland and co., there's no reason to overpay for Albert when they can move up in the draft and pick one of Joeckel, Fisher or Johnson. They have more than enough picks to be able to move up if need be.

Dolphins have a choice to make between a solid LT, who is already established in the league but wants top 5 LT money, or a younger, cheaper but unknown LT.

If all fails, they can start Martin at LT. They drafted him in the 2nd last year for a reason. He has the potential to be a starting LT.

If KC doesn't agree with what Miami wants to pay, then they'll have to play their bluechip LT at RT since Albert said he didn't want to play RT and Miami will have to trade up or go with Martin.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 10:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are other teams with LT needs. A lot will depend on what occurs during the draft. You have Detroit, Chargers just to name a few in need of a LT. If any of those teams miss they can become Chief trading partners. I seriously doubt KC will trade with San Diego but one never knows.

I get that Albert is the best option with the least amount of draft compensation but if he is a medical risk, they should have paid Jake Long. I remember liking Albert when he entered the draft but nothing I have seen makes me covet him as a fan. It certainly is not his play. He can ball but those injuries scream Jake Long to me.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 10:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rumless wrote:
fasel1515 wrote:
I fail to see how we don't have all the leverage here? Albert is on record as saying he doesn't want to play LT. The Chiefs are almost certain to go LT at #1. It has been reported that we are the only ones in play for Albert.

Chiefs don't have to play the #1 pick at LT right away. We have a hole at RT and can plug in Fisher/Joeckel there for a year and then slide him over in a year when Albert leaves.

Chiefs could still sit #1 pick behind Albert if they find an adequate right tackle. Let Fisher/Joeckel learn in spot duty how to play in the NFL and then step up in a year.

Chiefs also aren't going to turn around and spend the near $10 million that Branden is taking up, since we have some breathing room. No pressure to relieve cap space.

The Dolphins, conversely, need a left tackle. Do you really want to trade up and give up multiple picks for Lane Johnson or Fluker? Do you really want to see Jonathan Martin at LT?


Plus Albert is most likely not going to be a Chief after this year if they choose to keep him, and they are going to get nothing from him. Take 54 in a draft where 54 is a good pick to have.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 11:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

KC fans keep making it seem like Albert is our only option otherwise our OL will crash and burn

We have LT / RT Jonathan Martin
RT Nate Garner
RT John Jerry
LT Will Yeatman
currently under contract.

FAs include
Albert
Winston
both former Chiefs

Not to mention 11 draft picks to move up in the draft if necessary, or we can draft an OT in the 2nd / 3rd

Albert is a GOOD option but certainly not our only one.


KC's options are:
Trade Albert
Start Albert at LT and put a #1 overall draft pick at RT or have him sit for a year
Start Albert at RT and deal with that mess all year
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Dolphins have all the leverage and you are in denial if you think otherwise.

1. The Dolphins think Johnathan Martin COULD play LT.
2. The Dolphins could slide up in RD1 for any OT or it's possible Johnson could fall.
3. The Dolphins could pick Watson outright in RD2 or move up a few slots for him.
4. The Dolphins could play Martin at LT and sign Eric Winston.
5. The Dolphins could play Martin at LT and start Nate Garner, which wasn't a total train wreck at the end of the season. Probably would draft a guy still.

The Chiefs have really no options. They either pay him to play LT and be a locker room issue because the tea, clearly doesn't want him, or they trade him.

The Chiefs have all but said they are selecting an OT #1 overall, and your GM should be fired on the spot if he drafts one and then proceeds to play him at RT. It's just bad business.
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dolphan9954 wrote:
Dolphins have all the leverage and you are in denial if you think otherwise.

dolphan9954 wrote:
The Chiefs have really no options. They either pay him to play LT and be a locker room issue because the tea, clearly doesn't want him, or they trade him.

I'm guessing you have not read anything I've typed in this thread. Your eyes may have passed over the words, but you did not actually read them.

dolphan9954 wrote:
The Chiefs have all but said they are selecting an OT #1 overall, and your GM should be fired on the spot if he drafts one and then proceeds to play him at RT. It's just bad business.

ViolentMonk71 wrote:
You don't draft a guy number 1 overall to play RT....Andy Reid is trying to get greedy....

fasel1515 wrote:
LOL at spending #1 on a RT or a guy who isn't even going to start the first year...

RT for one year, in one scenario such as the one Tyron Smith experienced in 2011/2012. Like I said earlier, they would move him to LT after Albert leaves. This is something I'm merely tossing out, as I doubt Albert will be donning the red and gold come September of 2013.

cddolphin wrote:
KC fans keep making it seem like Albert is our only option otherwise our OL will crash and burn

We have LT / RT Jonathan Martin
currently under contract.

dolphan9954 wrote:
The Dolphins think Johnathan Martin COULD play LT.

Emerica wrote:
If all fails, they can start Martin at LT. They drafted him in the 2nd last year for a reason. He has the potential to be a starting LT.

Does it not speak volumes about Miami's confidence in Martin as a left tackle that they are heavily rumored and attached to the top tackles in the draft and are negotiating for Branden Albert? When you're down to ironing-out compensation, the interest there surpasses "exploring options" at left tackle.

fasel1515 wrote:
The fact you put Fluker as an option for us shows how much you know about our team.

I do not claim to know your team better than you, but you cannot deny that you have seen Fluker mocked in the first round to tackle-needy teams, especially in the area of the #12 slot.

ovaw8lover wrote:
I get that Albert is the best option with the least amount of draft compensation but if he is a medical risk, they should have paid Jake Long. I remember liking Albert when he entered the draft but nothing I have seen makes me covet him as a fan. It certainly is not his play. He can ball but those injuries scream Jake Long to me.

Doesn't Long not fit the type of blocking scheme the offensive line will use in 2013?
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 25, 2013 6:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Like I said this will be a draft time trade, if it happens. Again Miami is either waiting to see what happens or as said in the Browns trade for Bees thread, Miami might be trading up with the Browns which could make this trade void. I like if Ireland is keeping his options open and not acting desperate.
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Dolphinemidget wrote:
Like I said this will be a draft time trade, if it happens. Again Miami is either waiting to see what happens or as said in the Browns trade for Bees thread, Miami might be trading up with the Browns which could make this trade void. I like if Ireland is keeping his options open and not acting desperate.
imho it's noteworthy that it's draft day and KC still haven't declared their no.1 pick. They're still keeping their options open; presumably they'll take one of the OTs, but it's not guaranteed.

Perhaps it's that KC have lots of irons in the fire. But it may be that they're not committing to that spot (not publically anyway) because they know that taking one of the OTs would commit them to a lesser position on Albert. If so, then that tells us that the closer we get to draft time, the weaker KC's position is.

If we wait until tomorrow, then maybe that flips. Let's assume we don't take an OT in round 1 and the pressure is on us to take one in the second. Our obvious need increases.

So, if we're going to do the deal I have a feeling we'll do it during round 1. While we still have the option to trade up to take Menelik-Watson, for example.
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Stars wrote:
Dolphinemidget wrote:
Like I said this will be a draft time trade, if it happens. Again Miami is either waiting to see what happens or as said in the Browns trade for Bees thread, Miami might be trading up with the Browns which could make this trade void. I like if Ireland is keeping his options open and not acting desperate.
imho it's noteworthy that it's draft day and KC still haven't declared their no.1 pick. They're still keeping their options open; presumably they'll take one of the OTs, but it's not guaranteed.

Perhaps it's that KC have lots of irons in the fire. But it may be that they're not committing to that spot (not publically anyway) because they know that taking one of the OTs would commit them to a lesser position on Albert. If so, then that tells us that the closer we get to draft time, the weaker KC's position is.

If we wait until tomorrow, then maybe that flips. Let's assume we don't take an OT in round 1 and the pressure is on us to take one in the second. Our obvious need increases.

So, if we're going to do the deal I have a feeling we'll do it during round 1. While we still have the option to trade up to take Menelik-Watson, for example.


I agree, I think Ireland is willing to pay the Chiefs asking price but I think he is holding a poker face on the matter.

Rotoworld says we need to get a deal done........ whatever
http://www.rotoworld.com/headlines/nfl/260275/report-mia-ready-to-pay-albert-elite-money
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