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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 3:46 pm    Post subject: VR's Last Mock (2 Round Mock Draft included) Reply with quote

PRE-DRAFT

With the loss of Antoine Winfield, the Vikings sign Marcus Trufant, formerly of the Seattle Seahawks, to a one-year contract worth $1,500,000. Trufant is a similar player to Winfield as a slot CB and has a reputation for being a good run defender. Trufant isn’t as good as Winfield overall, but he provides the team some much needed veteran depth at the CB position. Trufant will compete at either nickel or dime CB, depending on how the draft unfolds for the Vikings.


TWO ROUND MOCK

Trades

The Vikings trade a first round pick (25) to the San Francisco 49ers for a first round pick (31) and a third round pick (93)

I feel that the 49ers will covet Jesse Williams as an athletic big bodied NT, especially with the loss of Isaac Sopoaga. With the Vikings, Packers, Falcons, and Broncos all having needs for a DT, the 49ers make a deal with Rick Spielman, who is actively working the phones for trade down opportunities.

The Vikings trade a third round pick (83) and a fourth round pick (120) to the Buffalo Bills for a third round pick (71).

The Vikings see an opportunity to move up into the top part of round three, with Bennie Logan falling, who I believe will be a target for the one technique DT position.

Round One

1. Kansas City Chiefs - Luke Joeckel - OT - Texas A&M
2. Jacksonville Jaguars - Geno Smith - QB - West Virginia
3. Oakland Raiders - Dion Jordan - DE - Oregon
4. Philadelphia Eagles - Star Lotulelei - DT - Utah
5. Detroit Lions - Eric Fisher - OT - Central Michigan
6. Cleveland Browns - Dee Milliner - CB - Alabama
7. Arizona Cardinals - Barkevious Mingo - OLB - LSU
8. Buffalo Bills - Ryan Nassib - QB - Syracuse
9. New York Jets - Ziggy Ansah - DE/OLB - BYU
10. Tennessee Titans - Shariff Floyd - DT - Florida
11. San Diego Cahrgers - Lane Johnson - OT - Oklahoma
12. Miami Dolphins - Kenny Vaccaro - S - Texas
13. Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Tavon Austin - WR - West Virginia
14. Carolina Panthers - Xavier Rhodes - CB - Florida State
15. New Orleans Saints - Datone Jones - DE - UCLA
16. St. Louis Rams - Sheldon Richardson - DT - Missouri
17. Pittsburgh Steelers - Jarvis Jones - OLB - Georgia
18. Dallas Cowboys - Chance Warmack - OG - Alabama
19. New York Giants - Bjoern Werner - DE - Florida State
20. Chicago Bears - Jonathan Cooper - OG - North Carolina
21. Cincinnati Bengals - Alec Ogletree - LB - Georgia
22. St. Louis Rams (via WAS) - Cordarrelle Patterson - WR - Tennessee
23. Minnesota Vikings - Arthur Brown - MLB - Kansas State
24. Indianapolis Colts - Desmond Trufant - CB - Washington State
25. San Francisco 49ers - Jesse Williams - NT - Alabama - (via Minnesota)
26. Green Bay Packers - Tyler Eifert - TE - Notre Dame
27. Houston Texans - Sylvester Williams - NT - North Carolina
28. Denver Broncos - Tank Carradine - DE - Florida State
29. New England Patriots - DeAndre Hopkins - WR - Clemson
30. Atlanta Falcons - Damontre Moore - DE/OLB - Texas A&M
31. Minnesota Vikings - Jamar Taylor - CB - Boise State - (via San Francisco)
32. Baltimore Ravens - Manti Te'o - ILB - Notre Dame

Round Two

33. Jacksonville Jaguars - John Cyprien - S - FIU
34. San Francisco 49ers - Justin Hunter - WR - Tennessee
35. Philadelphia Eagles - E.J. Manuel - QB - Florida State
36. Detroit Lions - Johnthan Banks - CB - Mississippi State
37. Cincinnati Bengals - Eric Reid - S - LSU
38. Arizona Cardinals - Menelik Watson - OT - Florida State
39. New York Jets - Matt Elam - S - Florida
40. Tennessee Titans - Robert Woods - WR - USC
41. Buffalo Bills - Da'Rick Rogers - WR - Tennessee Tech
42. Miami Dolphins - Terron Armstead - OT - Arkansas Pine Bluff
43. Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Blidi Wreh-Wilson - CB - Connecticut
44. Carolina Panthers - Kawann Short - DT - Purdue
45. San Diego Cahrgers - D.J. Fluker - T/G - Alabama
46. St. Louis Rams - Larry Warford - OG - Kentucky
47. Dallas Cowboys - Johnathan Hankins - DT - Ohio State
48. Pittsburgh Steelers - Markus Wheaton - WR - Oregon State
49. New York Giants - Jaime Collins - OLB - South Carolina
50. Chicago Bears - Kevin Minter - MLB - LSU
51. Washington Redskins - D.J. Swearinger - S - South Carolina
52. Minnesota Vikings - Quinton Patton - WR - Louisiana Tech
53. Cincinnati Bengals - Eddie Lacy - RB - Alabama
54. Miami Dolphins - David Amerson - CB - N.C. State
55. Green Bay Packers - John Jenkins - NT - Georgia
56. Seattle Seahawks - Justin Pugh - OG - Syracuse
57. Houston Texans - Terrance Williams - WR - Baylor
58. Denver Broncos - Sio Moore - OLB - Connecticut
59. New England Patriots - Margus Hunt - DE - SMU
60. Atlanta Falcons - Jordan Poyer - CB - Oregon State
61. San Francisco 49ers - Zach Ertz - TE - Stanford
62. Baltimore Ravens - Keenan Allen - WR - California


DRAFT SUMMARY

1 (23) - Arthur Brown - MLB - Kansas State - via Seattle
1 (31) - Jamar Taylor - CB - Boise State - via San Francisco
2 (52) - Quinton Patton - WR - Louisiana Tech
3 (71) - Bennie Logan - DT - LSU - via Buffalo
3 (93) - Zaviar Gooden - OLB - Missouri - via San Francisco
4 (102) - B.W. Webb - CB - William & Mary - via Detroit
5 (155) - Hugh Thornton - OG - Illinois
6 (189) - David Bass - DE - Missouri Western
7 (213) - Kerwynn Williams - Utah State - via Arizona
7 (229) - Jamoris Slaughter - CB/S - Notre Dame
7 (231) - La'Rod King - WR - Kentucky - via Seattle


DRAFT ANALYSIS

Arthur Brown has been discussed to great lengths on this forum so little explanation is needed for this pick. I believe that Brown is a great fit for this defense and should be an opening day starter at MLB, a true priority in this draft.

Jamar Taylor may be viewed as a surprise first round pick, but I believe he is every bit as good as Desmond Trufant and Johnthan Banks and is a better scheme fit than both. Taylor combines elite athletic ability, good size and is a physical presence in run support. Some may question why the Vikings, as a Cover 2 team, should take a CB so early. I believe it is a necessity to have talented CBs in this division and if you can’t beat your division, you have no business competing for the playoffs. Taylor should compete with Josh Robinson as a starter and could play slot CB as a rookie if Robinson improves.

Quinton Patton has been a staple second round receiver in my mocks, and I think he should be available at pick 52. Patton is probably more “pro-ready” than most of the second round receivers and possesses a similar skill set to Greg Jennings. I think he is a good fit for this offense and can be a steady receiver for Christian Ponder along the perimeter.

When I think of a perfect one technique defensive tackle for the Tampa 2 scheme, two players come to mind in this draft: Sylvester Williams and Bennie Logan. Logan has a thick and compact frame at 6-2 310, with the ability to pack on five more pounds need be. Logan doesn’t have the ability to be a true UT at the next level, but his strength, lateral quickness and understanding of leverage position him to be a good fit at the other spot. Logan is a strong tackler and should give the run defense more of presence inside. Logan will split reps with Fred Evans and Letroy Guion frequently as a rookie, so he won’t have to be relied on heavily from day one. My biggest concern with rookie DTs is that the learning curve tends to be more significant than any other position besides QB.

Zaviar Gooden is an intriguing prospect. His athletic prowess is absolutely jaw dropping for a OLB (6-1 232 pounds, 4.47 40, 27 reps, 6.71 3 cone, 131 broad jump), basically every testing category Gooden measured as elite relative to his OLB peers (except vertical jump). Gooden’s athletic ability could get him drafted higher than this, but his limitations to a 4-3 scheme may drop him further than expected. The Vikings have been unable to commit to Erin Henderson long-term, so finding a potential player to groom behind him may be ideal. Given Gooden’s athletic ability, he could be a strong candidate to be a nickel OLB, maybe even to replace Chad Greenway as a coverage specialist. Gooden has fantastic range in coverage and does a good job at taking on blocks. Therefore, his skill set is really perfect for what the Vikings need from its WLB.

The Vikings grabbed a pair of LBs, and now with the selection of B.W. Webb, a pair of CBs too. In an effort to improve CB depth, Webb will replace Brandon Burton and Marcus Sherels as bottom of the roster CBs. Webb’s skill set best suits him to be a dime CB, and I am not sure that he has the natural skills to be an outside CB. He does best with the play in front of him and playing in zone coverage. Webb also has experience as a Punt Returner; a skill set that should enable him to get the nod over Sherels for a spot on the opening day roster.

Hugh Thornton is another staple in my mocks, so I won’t go into too much detail about him. Thornton should be a good “swing lineman” off the bench at OT and OG, and could be groomed to replace Charlie Johnson at LG long-term.

David Bass is a small school DE with a lot of experience and success as a pass rusher. Your guess is as good as mine in regards to where Bass will be drafted, but I think he has the experience and pass rush skills to get a serious look during day three of the draft. Bass will compete with D’Aundre Reed for the fourth DE position.

Kerwynn Williams is an exceptional kick returner and a prototypical third down RB, a need that has been present since Chester Taylor left the Vikings.

Jamoris Slaughter has experience at CB, S and slot CB and that versatility should enable him to be a day three selection. Slaughter also has special teams ability and would be a likely candidate to replace Andrew Sendejo as the team’s fifth safety.

La’Rod King is a big bodied possession receiver, something that this team really lacks with the loss of Michael Jenkins. King is also an active run blocker, a skill set that the Vikings prefer from its receivers at the bottom of the depth chart. King is a better natural receiver than Stephen Burton, and should replace him as the Vikings fifth receiver and run game specialist.


FINAL ROSTER

QB (3) - Christian Ponder | Matt Cassel | McCleod Bethel-Thompson
RB (3) - Adrian Peterson | Toby Gerhart | Kerwynn Williams
FB (1) - Jerome Felton
WR (5) - Greg Jennings | Quinton Patton | Jarius Wright | Jerome Simpson | La'Rod King | Greg Childs (PUP)
TE (3) - Kyle Rudolph | John Carlson | Rhett Ellison
OT (3) - Matt Kalil | Phil Loadholt | Hugh Thornton
OG (3) - Charlie Johnson | Brandon Fusco | Seth Olsen
C (2) - John Sullivan | Joe Berger

DE (4) - Jared Allen | Brian Robison | Everson Griffen | David Bass
DT (5) - Kevin Williams | Bennie Logan | Fred Evans | Letroy Guion | Christian Ballard
OLB (4) - Chad Greenway | Erin Henderson | Marvin Mitchell | Zaviar Gooden
MLB (3) - Arthur Brown | Tyrone McKenzie | Audie Cole
CB (6) - Chris Cook | Jamar Taylor | Josh Robinson | Marcus Trufant | A.J. Jefferson | B.W. Webb
S (5) - Harrison Smith | Jamarca Sanford | Mistral Raymond | Robert Blanton | Jamoris Slaughter

ST (3) - Blair Walsh | Chris Kluwe | Cullen Loeffler


Starters and Contributors

QB - Christian Ponder
RB - Adrian Peterson
FB - Jerome Felton
WR - Greg Jennings
WR - Quinton Patton
WR - Jarius Wright
TE - Kyle Rudolph
TE - Rhett Ellison
LT - Matt Kalil
LG - Charlie Johnson
C - John Sullivan
RG - Brandon Fusco
RT - Phil Loadholt

LE - Brian Robison
DT - Bennie Logan | Fred Evans
DT - Kevin Williams
RE - Jared Allen
DL - Everson Griffen
WLB - Erin Henderson
MLB - Arthur Brown (nickel MLB)
SLB - Chad Greenway (nickel OLB)
LCB - Chris Cook
FS - Harrison Smith
SS - Jamarca Sanford
RCB - Jamar Taylor
NCB - Josh Robinson
DCB - Marcus Trufant

KR - Kerwynn Williams
PR - B.W. Webb
K - Blair Walsh
P - Chris Kluwe


* In order to sign rookies, I expect the Vikings to work out a three or four year contract extension with Jared Allen, to shave off roughly $5,000,000 in salary cap space for 2013. This will probably happen in May or June, if it does.

** If a player is not on the final roster, assume that they have been released.


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very Rick-like and sensible. you spread out and addressed our needs well. well done.

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vike daddy wrote:
very Rick-like and sensible. you spread out and addressed our needs well. well done.

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Te'o over Brown may be more Spielman like Laughing

It will be interesting to see what he does in this scenario. I think most have Brown as a better natural fit for this defense, but Te'o has a bigger name being an ND player.
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I endorse a starting LB and CB in the early picks. Two areas of desperate need.
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This would be a fantastic outcome.
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vikingsrule wrote:
vike daddy wrote:
very Rick-like and sensible. you spread out and addressed our needs well. well done.

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Te'o over Brown may be more Spielman like Laughing

maybe.

or maybe making a lot of smoke in that direction is more Spielman-like.
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vike daddy wrote:
vikingsrule wrote:
vike daddy wrote:
very Rick-like and sensible. you spread out and addressed our needs well. well done.

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Te'o over Brown may be more Spielman like Laughing

maybe.

or maybe making a lot of smoke in that direction is more Spielman-like.


Exactly, how many times have we called Spielman's moves...
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Very good.

But what motivates SF to give up a 3rd round pick to move up 6 notches to secure Jesse Williams, who might otherwise fall to 31?

What other team in 26-30 would like to draft Jesse Williams?
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Very good.

But what motivates SF to give up a 3rd round pick to move up 6 notches to secure Jesse Williams, who might otherwise fall to 31?

What other team in 26-30 would like to draft Jesse Williams?


The Packers, Patriots, Falcons and Vikings could all be looking at Jesse Williams. That was the premise of the trade, i doubt he makes it past those teams.

The Falcons especially, they have been toying with moving to a 3-4 defense for a year and they dont have the true NT to make the transition quite yet. Williams would be that guy.

Sure they could take John Jenkins, but I think Williams has significantly more upside.
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Not a biggie, but I believe a move from 25 to 31 would only net us a fourth. If I remember correctly, the Patriots made a near identical move last year and only gave up a fourth.

As for the draft, not a fan of CB in the first. However, if we were to go that route then what you've presented is probably the best case scenario. MLB, CB, WR, and DT in order is solid if we adress corner early.
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vikingsrule wrote:
Purplexing wrote:
Very good.

But what motivates SF to give up a 3rd round pick to move up 6 notches to secure Jesse Williams, who might otherwise fall to 31?

What other team in 26-30 would like to draft Jesse Williams?


The Packers, Patriots, Falcons and Vikings could all be looking at Jesse Williams. That was the premise of the trade, i doubt he makes it past those teams.

The Falcons especially, they have been toying with moving to a 3-4 defense for a year and they dont have the true NT to make the transition quite yet. Williams would be that guy.

Sure they could take John Jenkins, but I think Williams has significantly more upside.


Knowing all of that ^, couldn't the Packers jump ahead of MN to get Jesse Williams?

Also, Da Bearrrsss take G Cooper (G is uncommon in round 1) over The Crazy World of Arthur Brown. Doesn't seem likely, especially when Urlacher has already packed his bags.

edited to add:
Don't misread my questioning; I like the idea of trading back a few slots for more picks IF there is essentially very little risk of losing out on a coveted player; e.g. Kalil in slot 4 vs. 3 last year. But since MN was 10-6, and has two first round picks, I think Spielman is not going to risk losing out on two specific first round picks he has targeted by trading back more than a few slots, if any, in round 1.

I think a trade back may happen in rounds after round 1. Just my $.02.
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I'd hate passing on Allen for Quinton in round two. Otherwise that looks solid.
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Purplexing wrote:
vikingsrule wrote:
Purplexing wrote:
Very good.

But what motivates SF to give up a 3rd round pick to move up 6 notches to secure Jesse Williams, who might otherwise fall to 31?

What other team in 26-30 would like to draft Jesse Williams?


The Packers, Patriots, Falcons and Vikings could all be looking at Jesse Williams. That was the premise of the trade, i doubt he makes it past those teams.

The Falcons especially, they have been toying with moving to a 3-4 defense for a year and they dont have the true NT to make the transition quite yet. Williams would be that guy.

Sure they could take John Jenkins, but I think Williams has significantly more upside.


Knowing all of that ^, couldn't the Packers jump ahead of MN to get Jesse Williams?

Also, Da Bearrrsss take G Cooper (G is uncommon in round 1) over The Crazy World of Arthur Brown. Doesn't seem likely, especially when Urlacher has already packed his bags.

edited to add:
Don't misread my questioning; I like the idea of trading back a few slots for more picks IF there is essentially very little risk of losing out on a coveted player; e.g. Kalil in slot 4 vs. 3 last year. But since MN was 10-6, and has two first round picks, I think Spielman is not going to risk losing out on two specific first round picks he has targeted by trading back more than a few slots, if any, in round 1.

I think a trade back may happen in rounds after round 1. Just my $.02.


I'm not sure the Bears are targeting a MLB in round 1, maybe they think DJ Williams or James Anderson can take over that spot for a year or two why a guy like Kiko Alonso or Jon Bostic develops.
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No trade:
23- MLB Manti Te'o
25- WR Justin Hunter
52- DT John Jenkins/ CB David Amerson
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KeystoneViking wrote:
Purplexing wrote:
vikingsrule wrote:
Purplexing wrote:
Very good.

But what motivates SF to give up a 3rd round pick to move up 6 notches to secure Jesse Williams, who might otherwise fall to 31?

What other team in 26-30 would like to draft Jesse Williams?


The Packers, Patriots, Falcons and Vikings could all be looking at Jesse Williams. That was the premise of the trade, i doubt he makes it past those teams.

The Falcons especially, they have been toying with moving to a 3-4 defense for a year and they dont have the true NT to make the transition quite yet. Williams would be that guy.

Sure they could take John Jenkins, but I think Williams has significantly more upside.


Knowing all of that ^, couldn't the Packers jump ahead of MN to get Jesse Williams?

Also, Da Bearrrsss take G Cooper (G is uncommon in round 1) over The Crazy World of Arthur Brown. Doesn't seem likely, especially when Urlacher has already packed his bags.

edited to add:
Don't misread my questioning; I like the idea of trading back a few slots for more picks IF there is essentially very little risk of losing out on a coveted player; e.g. Kalil in slot 4 vs. 3 last year. But since MN was 10-6, and has two first round picks, I think Spielman is not going to risk losing out on two specific first round picks he has targeted by trading back more than a few slots, if any, in round 1.

I think a trade back may happen in rounds after round 1. Just my $.02.


I'm not sure the Bears are targeting a MLB in round 1, maybe they think DJ Williams or James Anderson can take over that spot for a year or two why a guy like Kiko Alonso or Jon Bostic develops.


Perhaps. But who do you, or other draft analysts, think is better at his position; Cooper or Arthur Brown/ Te'o ?

Returning to the mock; the trade back seems like it is intended to simply pick a player at the consensus projected draft slot; i.e. 31-ish. I prefer to pick a player a few slots ahead of that consensus slot rather than be greedy and possibly miss out by trading back too far.

Regardless of what Spielman does with pick 25, or 23, I don't think he will miss out on filling the main needs of MLB, DT and WR, and will likely find a CB and DE later. But a trade back might mean he may miss out on the best fit for a particular position.
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