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PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2013 7:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I hope we get Fisher......Madden would be so fun lolololol I'd be able to make reads without Barnes getting Mr. Flynn killed.

Fisher is Joe Staley-like. I'd love our Oline for the next decade.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 3:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If the Best player in the draft falls to 3 yeah you pick him matter if our defense is horrible upu gotta pick Fisher. If Fisher os there I pray to The Lord Almighty we pick him.
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PFF, so grab your grains of salt.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2013/04/15/examining-pressure/

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Using our grades, quarterbacks struggle with pressure that comes from the tackles as opposed to the interior. Again, the difference between left and right tackle pressure is not as drastic as some may think, and pressure that comes from right tackle actually produces worse results for quarterbacks. Similarly, pressure from the right guard has been more difficult for quarterbacks than pressure from the left guard. The left/right differences held true both in 2012 and over the course of the five-year study.
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big_palooka wrote:
Silver&Black88 wrote:
big_palooka wrote:
Silver&Black88 wrote:
big_palooka wrote:
My guess is KC will go w/ Fisher but I hope they take Joeckle. I want them to stay away from Floyd so I don't have to tell you all I told you so when he's tearing up the Raiders. Laughing


I want them to take Floyd so I can laugh at you and them while he gets thrown around like a rag doll. Laughing


If he goes to KC, I can only hope that happens. Would gladly eat that crow.

I'm in the prediction business. Just hoping to be right 70% of the time. I'd take my 30% wrong w/ that pick.


I really don't think he's going to pan out. Maybe if he's selected later than where he's being projected, but I think picking him in the top 10 will result in disappointment.


Sad thing is, there isn't a player taken in the top 10 that doesn't have that potential for disappointment. Just a bad draft all around at the top.

If it was up to me, I'd take Tavon Austin #3 overall. He's the only player I feel strongly will be a dynamic player without question. He will take the NFL by storm as a KR/PR specialist, RB and WR in the slot and going deep. Going to be a fun player.

Another player I think will be dynamite, Sio Moore. I was clamoring for David or Wagner last year and Moore is right in that wheelhouse.

I desperately want Oakland to pick up a 2nd to get Sio. He's going to be special.


good thing its not up to you, bro...Austin at 3 would be a nightmare, hes too small and wont hold up game after game as a slot/KR/PR and i need my #3 pick to be on the field...hell be a great pick in the teens, but not for a Raiders team with holes damn near everywhere on the roster and with a Jacoby Ford who can be as dangerous as anyone, when healthy...
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 12:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Big Rob wrote:
big_palooka wrote:
Silver&Black88 wrote:
big_palooka wrote:
Silver&Black88 wrote:
big_palooka wrote:
My guess is KC will go w/ Fisher but I hope they take Joeckle. I want them to stay away from Floyd so I don't have to tell you all I told you so when he's tearing up the Raiders. Laughing


I want them to take Floyd so I can laugh at you and them while he gets thrown around like a rag doll. Laughing


If he goes to KC, I can only hope that happens. Would gladly eat that crow.

I'm in the prediction business. Just hoping to be right 70% of the time. I'd take my 30% wrong w/ that pick.


I really don't think he's going to pan out. Maybe if he's selected later than where he's being projected, but I think picking him in the top 10 will result in disappointment.


Sad thing is, there isn't a player taken in the top 10 that doesn't have that potential for disappointment. Just a bad draft all around at the top.

If it was up to me, I'd take Tavon Austin #3 overall. He's the only player I feel strongly will be a dynamic player without question. He will take the NFL by storm as a KR/PR specialist, RB and WR in the slot and going deep. Going to be a fun player.

Another player I think will be dynamite, Sio Moore. I was clamoring for David or Wagner last year and Moore is right in that wheelhouse.

I desperately want Oakland to pick up a 2nd to get Sio. He's going to be special.


good thing its not up to you, bro...Austin at 3 would be a nightmare, hes too small and wont hold up game after game as a slot/KR/PR and i need my #3 pick to be on the field...hell be a great pick in the teens, but not for a Raiders team with holes damn near everywhere on the roster and with a Jacoby Ford who can be as dangerous as anyone, when healthy...


worst argument ever.

He isn't worth the 3 pick because he will get hurt and wont play.....but hes worth the 13th.


if you dont think hes gonna play he isnt worth any pick.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 12:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fisher allows us to have bookend OTs for the next 5-7+years and makes everyone on our offense better...

the way McKenzie filled holes on in FA allows us to take BPA all through the draft. i am confident we go BPA, and if we cant trade back(which is what i see happening) its either Fisher or Floyd, depending on who our staff likes more...
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nbaker1933 wrote:
Big Rob wrote:
big_palooka wrote:
Silver&Black88 wrote:
big_palooka wrote:
Silver&Black88 wrote:
big_palooka wrote:
My guess is KC will go w/ Fisher but I hope they take Joeckle. I want them to stay away from Floyd so I don't have to tell you all I told you so when he's tearing up the Raiders. Laughing


I want them to take Floyd so I can laugh at you and them while he gets thrown around like a rag doll. Laughing


If he goes to KC, I can only hope that happens. Would gladly eat that crow.

I'm in the prediction business. Just hoping to be right 70% of the time. I'd take my 30% wrong w/ that pick.


I really don't think he's going to pan out. Maybe if he's selected later than where he's being projected, but I think picking him in the top 10 will result in disappointment.


Sad thing is, there isn't a player taken in the top 10 that doesn't have that potential for disappointment. Just a bad draft all around at the top.

If it was up to me, I'd take Tavon Austin #3 overall. He's the only player I feel strongly will be a dynamic player without question. He will take the NFL by storm as a KR/PR specialist, RB and WR in the slot and going deep. Going to be a fun player.

Another player I think will be dynamite, Sio Moore. I was clamoring for David or Wagner last year and Moore is right in that wheelhouse.

I desperately want Oakland to pick up a 2nd to get Sio. He's going to be special.


good thing its not up to you, bro...Austin at 3 would be a nightmare, hes too small and wont hold up game after game as a slot/KR/PR and i need my #3 pick to be on the field...hell be a great pick in the teens, but not for a Raiders team with holes damn near everywhere on the roster and with a Jacoby Ford who can be as dangerous as anyone, when healthy...


worst argument ever.

He isn't worth the 3 pick because he will get hurt and wont play.....but hes worth the 13th.


if you dont think hes gonna play he isnt worth any pick.


there is less risk in the teens...id take a DJack at #13 every year, but not at 3, especially having as much holes as we do, while having a comparable player in Ford....
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 2:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Big Rob wrote:
nbaker1933 wrote:
Big Rob wrote:
big_palooka wrote:
Silver&Black88 wrote:
big_palooka wrote:
Silver&Black88 wrote:
big_palooka wrote:
My guess is KC will go w/ Fisher but I hope they take Joeckle. I want them to stay away from Floyd so I don't have to tell you all I told you so when he's tearing up the Raiders. Laughing


I want them to take Floyd so I can laugh at you and them while he gets thrown around like a rag doll. Laughing


If he goes to KC, I can only hope that happens. Would gladly eat that crow.

I'm in the prediction business. Just hoping to be right 70% of the time. I'd take my 30% wrong w/ that pick.


I really don't think he's going to pan out. Maybe if he's selected later than where he's being projected, but I think picking him in the top 10 will result in disappointment.


Sad thing is, there isn't a player taken in the top 10 that doesn't have that potential for disappointment. Just a bad draft all around at the top.

If it was up to me, I'd take Tavon Austin #3 overall. He's the only player I feel strongly will be a dynamic player without question. He will take the NFL by storm as a KR/PR specialist, RB and WR in the slot and going deep. Going to be a fun player.

Another player I think will be dynamite, Sio Moore. I was clamoring for David or Wagner last year and Moore is right in that wheelhouse.

I desperately want Oakland to pick up a 2nd to get Sio. He's going to be special.


good thing its not up to you, bro...Austin at 3 would be a nightmare, hes too small and wont hold up game after game as a slot/KR/PR and i need my #3 pick to be on the field...hell be a great pick in the teens, but not for a Raiders team with holes damn near everywhere on the roster and with a Jacoby Ford who can be as dangerous as anyone, when healthy...


worst argument ever.

He isn't worth the 3 pick because he will get hurt and wont play.....but hes worth the 13th.


if you dont think hes gonna play he isnt worth any pick.


there is less risk in the teens...id take a DJack at #13 every year, but not at 3, especially having as much holes as we do, while having a comparable player in Ford....
If only Adrian Pterson would have been drafted 8 spots lower he wouldn't have torn his ACL. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 2:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nuke wrote:
Big Rob wrote:
nbaker1933 wrote:
Big Rob wrote:
big_palooka wrote:
Silver&Black88 wrote:
big_palooka wrote:
Silver&Black88 wrote:
big_palooka wrote:
My guess is KC will go w/ Fisher but I hope they take Joeckle. I want them to stay away from Floyd so I don't have to tell you all I told you so when he's tearing up the Raiders. Laughing


I want them to take Floyd so I can laugh at you and them while he gets thrown around like a rag doll. Laughing


If he goes to KC, I can only hope that happens. Would gladly eat that crow.

I'm in the prediction business. Just hoping to be right 70% of the time. I'd take my 30% wrong w/ that pick.


I really don't think he's going to pan out. Maybe if he's selected later than where he's being projected, but I think picking him in the top 10 will result in disappointment.


Sad thing is, there isn't a player taken in the top 10 that doesn't have that potential for disappointment. Just a bad draft all around at the top.

If it was up to me, I'd take Tavon Austin #3 overall. He's the only player I feel strongly will be a dynamic player without question. He will take the NFL by storm as a KR/PR specialist, RB and WR in the slot and going deep. Going to be a fun player.

Another player I think will be dynamite, Sio Moore. I was clamoring for David or Wagner last year and Moore is right in that wheelhouse.

I desperately want Oakland to pick up a 2nd to get Sio. He's going to be special.


good thing its not up to you, bro...Austin at 3 would be a nightmare, hes too small and wont hold up game after game as a slot/KR/PR and i need my #3 pick to be on the field...hell be a great pick in the teens, but not for a Raiders team with holes damn near everywhere on the roster and with a Jacoby Ford who can be as dangerous as anyone, when healthy...


worst argument ever.

He isn't worth the 3 pick because he will get hurt and wont play.....but hes worth the 13th.


if you dont think hes gonna play he isnt worth any pick.


there is less risk in the teens...id take a DJack at #13 every year, but not at 3, especially having as much holes as we do, while having a comparable player in Ford....
If only Adrian Pterson would have been drafted 8 spots lower he wouldn't have torn his ACL. Rolling Eyes


now your putting words in my mouth...there is less risk/investment in the teens...and last time i checked AD wasnt 5'8 165, whens the last time someone that size was picked in the top 10?
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Big Rob wrote:
Nuke wrote:
Big Rob wrote:
nbaker1933 wrote:
Big Rob wrote:
big_palooka wrote:
Silver&Black88 wrote:
big_palooka wrote:
Silver&Black88 wrote:
big_palooka wrote:
My guess is KC will go w/ Fisher but I hope they take Joeckle. I want them to stay away from Floyd so I don't have to tell you all I told you so when he's tearing up the Raiders. Laughing


I want them to take Floyd so I can laugh at you and them while he gets thrown around like a rag doll. Laughing


If he goes to KC, I can only hope that happens. Would gladly eat that crow.

I'm in the prediction business. Just hoping to be right 70% of the time. I'd take my 30% wrong w/ that pick.


I really don't think he's going to pan out. Maybe if he's selected later than where he's being projected, but I think picking him in the top 10 will result in disappointment.


Sad thing is, there isn't a player taken in the top 10 that doesn't have that potential for disappointment. Just a bad draft all around at the top.

If it was up to me, I'd take Tavon Austin #3 overall. He's the only player I feel strongly will be a dynamic player without question. He will take the NFL by storm as a KR/PR specialist, RB and WR in the slot and going deep. Going to be a fun player.

Another player I think will be dynamite, Sio Moore. I was clamoring for David or Wagner last year and Moore is right in that wheelhouse.

I desperately want Oakland to pick up a 2nd to get Sio. He's going to be special.


good thing its not up to you, bro...Austin at 3 would be a nightmare, hes too small and wont hold up game after game as a slot/KR/PR and i need my #3 pick to be on the field...hell be a great pick in the teens, but not for a Raiders team with holes damn near everywhere on the roster and with a Jacoby Ford who can be as dangerous as anyone, when healthy...


worst argument ever.

He isn't worth the 3 pick because he will get hurt and wont play.....but hes worth the 13th.


if you dont think hes gonna play he isnt worth any pick.


there is less risk in the teens...id take a DJack at #13 every year, but not at 3, especially having as much holes as we do, while having a comparable player in Ford....
If only Adrian Pterson would have been drafted 8 spots lower he wouldn't have torn his ACL. Rolling Eyes


now your putting words in my mouth...there is less risk/investment in the teens...and last time i checked AD wasnt 5'8 165, whens the last time someone that size was picked in the top 10?


The risk of injury is the exact same regardless of where they are drafted. And frankly the difference between #3 and #13 is blown way, way, way out of proportion. People get worked up about it before the draft, but look back on it 5 years later and you realize that it was completely irrelevant.

5 years ago Glenn Dorsey was #3 and Ryan Clady was #13. If those picks were flip flopped people would have been talking about how they spent too much on Clady and Dorsey was a steal.

Bottom line is that if they are one of the few guys that turn out like everyone thinks they will then they were worth the pick regardless of how high it was. If they suck then they weren't worth the pick regardless of how low they were.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 3:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nuke wrote:
Big Rob wrote:
Nuke wrote:
Big Rob wrote:
nbaker1933 wrote:
Big Rob wrote:
big_palooka wrote:
Silver&Black88 wrote:
big_palooka wrote:
Silver&Black88 wrote:
big_palooka wrote:
My guess is KC will go w/ Fisher but I hope they take Joeckle. I want them to stay away from Floyd so I don't have to tell you all I told you so when he's tearing up the Raiders. Laughing


I want them to take Floyd so I can laugh at you and them while he gets thrown around like a rag doll. Laughing


If he goes to KC, I can only hope that happens. Would gladly eat that crow.

I'm in the prediction business. Just hoping to be right 70% of the time. I'd take my 30% wrong w/ that pick.


I really don't think he's going to pan out. Maybe if he's selected later than where he's being projected, but I think picking him in the top 10 will result in disappointment.


Sad thing is, there isn't a player taken in the top 10 that doesn't have that potential for disappointment. Just a bad draft all around at the top.

If it was up to me, I'd take Tavon Austin #3 overall. He's the only player I feel strongly will be a dynamic player without question. He will take the NFL by storm as a KR/PR specialist, RB and WR in the slot and going deep. Going to be a fun player.

Another player I think will be dynamite, Sio Moore. I was clamoring for David or Wagner last year and Moore is right in that wheelhouse.

I desperately want Oakland to pick up a 2nd to get Sio. He's going to be special.


good thing its not up to you, bro...Austin at 3 would be a nightmare, hes too small and wont hold up game after game as a slot/KR/PR and i need my #3 pick to be on the field...hell be a great pick in the teens, but not for a Raiders team with holes damn near everywhere on the roster and with a Jacoby Ford who can be as dangerous as anyone, when healthy...


worst argument ever.

He isn't worth the 3 pick because he will get hurt and wont play.....but hes worth the 13th.


if you dont think hes gonna play he isnt worth any pick.


there is less risk in the teens...id take a DJack at #13 every year, but not at 3, especially having as much holes as we do, while having a comparable player in Ford....
If only Adrian Pterson would have been drafted 8 spots lower he wouldn't have torn his ACL. Rolling Eyes


now your putting words in my mouth...there is less risk/investment in the teens...and last time i checked AD wasnt 5'8 165, whens the last time someone that size was picked in the top 10?


The risk of injury is the exact same regardless of where they are drafted. And frankly the difference between #3 and #13 is blown way, way, way out of proportion. People get worked up about it before the draft, but look back on it 5 years later and you realize that it was completely irrelevant.

5 years ago Glenn Dorsey was #3 and Ryan Clady was #13. If those picks were flip flopped people would have been talking about how they spent too much on Clady and Dorsey was a steal.

Bottom line is that if they are one of the few guys that turn out like everyone thinks they will then they were worth the pick regardless of how high it was. If they suck then they weren't worth the pick regardless of how low they were.


first off id take Clady at #3, easy...and my point is that you wouldnt get value on Austin at #3...the best slot Wrs or KR/PR can be had much later and guys >180 usually dont go that high, because those guys usually arent that durable and i want my #3 pick to be able to contribute game in game out...yes, i understand there is potential for injury for every draftee but i just wouldnt feel right to have to depend on a smurf to make that much of an impact on my team, especially when we already have a guy like that who is as explosive but cant stay on the field...Austin is a very nice player, but there is a difference between picking in the top 3 and picking in the middle of the round...a 7-9 team picking 13-16 may need a guy like Austin to get over the hump and provide a spark for there offense...but at #3, the Raiders have so many needs that a specialty player like Austin wouldnt improve us much more than a healthy Ford would...
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first off id take Clady at #3, easy...and my point is that you wouldnt get value on Austin at #3...the best slot Wrs or KR/PR can be had much later and guys >180 usually dont go that high, because those guys usually arent that durable and i want my #3 pick to be able to contribute game in game out...yes, i understand there is potential for injury for every draftee but i just wouldnt feel right to have to depend on a smurf to make that much of an impact on my team, especially when we already have a guy like that who is as explosive but cant stay on the field...Austin is a very nice player, but there is a difference between picking in the top 3 and picking in the middle of the round...a 7-9 team picking 13-16 may need a guy like Austin to get over the hump and provide a spark for there offense...but at #3, the Raiders have so many needs that a specialty player like Austin wouldnt improve us much more than a healthy Ford would...

Everyone would take Clady at #3....now. The Broncos caught a lot of flack for drafting him at #13. If the Chiefs picked him at #3 the media and therefore the fans would have crucified KC for drafting him so high.

I don't care if he's 25 lbs, if the guy ends up being top 5 at his position then he's worth any pick. If he can't get on the field then he's not worth it at #3 or #103.
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Nuke wrote:
Big Rob wrote:
Nuke wrote:
Big Rob wrote:
nbaker1933 wrote:
Big Rob wrote:
big_palooka wrote:
Silver&Black88 wrote:
big_palooka wrote:
Silver&Black88 wrote:
big_palooka wrote:
My guess is KC will go w/ Fisher but I hope they take Joeckle. I want them to stay away from Floyd so I don't have to tell you all I told you so when he's tearing up the Raiders. Laughing


I want them to take Floyd so I can laugh at you and them while he gets thrown around like a rag doll. Laughing


If he goes to KC, I can only hope that happens. Would gladly eat that crow.

I'm in the prediction business. Just hoping to be right 70% of the time. I'd take my 30% wrong w/ that pick.


I really don't think he's going to pan out. Maybe if he's selected later than where he's being projected, but I think picking him in the top 10 will result in disappointment.


Sad thing is, there isn't a player taken in the top 10 that doesn't have that potential for disappointment. Just a bad draft all around at the top.

If it was up to me, I'd take Tavon Austin #3 overall. He's the only player I feel strongly will be a dynamic player without question. He will take the NFL by storm as a KR/PR specialist, RB and WR in the slot and going deep. Going to be a fun player.

Another player I think will be dynamite, Sio Moore. I was clamoring for David or Wagner last year and Moore is right in that wheelhouse.

I desperately want Oakland to pick up a 2nd to get Sio. He's going to be special.


good thing its not up to you, bro...Austin at 3 would be a nightmare, hes too small and wont hold up game after game as a slot/KR/PR and i need my #3 pick to be on the field...hell be a great pick in the teens, but not for a Raiders team with holes damn near everywhere on the roster and with a Jacoby Ford who can be as dangerous as anyone, when healthy...


worst argument ever.

He isn't worth the 3 pick because he will get hurt and wont play.....but hes worth the 13th.


if you dont think hes gonna play he isnt worth any pick.


there is less risk in the teens...id take a DJack at #13 every year, but not at 3, especially having as much holes as we do, while having a comparable player in Ford....
If only Adrian Pterson would have been drafted 8 spots lower he wouldn't have torn his ACL. Rolling Eyes


now your putting words in my mouth...there is less risk/investment in the teens...and last time i checked AD wasnt 5'8 165, whens the last time someone that size was picked in the top 10?


The risk of injury is the exact same regardless of where they are drafted. And frankly the difference between #3 and #13 is blown way, way, way out of proportion. People get worked up about it before the draft, but look back on it 5 years later and you realize that it was completely irrelevant.

5 years ago Glenn Dorsey was #3 and Ryan Clady was #13. If those picks were flip flopped people would have been talking about how they spent too much on Clady and Dorsey was a steal.

Bottom line is that if they are one of the few guys that turn out like everyone thinks they will then they were worth the pick regardless of how high it was. If they suck then they weren't worth the pick regardless of how low they were.


At the time yes, but now? Everyone would be saying KC made a great pick and Denver got a borderline (is he even borderline?) bust.
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Silver&Black88 wrote:
Roninho wrote:
Silver&Black88 wrote:
big_palooka wrote:
My guess is KC will go w/ Fisher but I hope they take Joeckle. I want them to stay away from Floyd so I don't have to tell you all I told you so when he's tearing up the Raiders. Laughing


I want them to take Floyd so I can laugh at you and them while he gets thrown around like a rag doll by Fisher. Laughing

fixed it for you


That would be amazing.


Most people project Floyd as just a 4-3 UT. They just drafted Poe and had him inside and outside. Maybe Jacksonville should take Floyd I think they're gonna be 3-4 but whatever.
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