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| AlexGreen#20 wrote: | | justo wrote: | | Why are people saying 19 plz respond |
28-2 (rookie cap hit)-7 (expected roll over) |
why are you subtracting the roll over?
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AlexGreen#20
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| justo wrote: | | AlexGreen#20 wrote: | | justo wrote: | | Why are people saying 19 plz respond |
28-2 (rookie cap hit)-7 (expected roll over) |
why are you subtracting the roll over? |
It's what we will choose not to spend in the interest of rolling it over into next year.
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justo
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| Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2014 8:24 pm Post subject: |
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| AlexGreen#20 wrote: | | justo wrote: | | AlexGreen#20 wrote: | | justo wrote: | | Why are people saying 19 plz respond |
28-2 (rookie cap hit)-7 (expected roll over) |
why are you subtracting the roll over? |
It's what we will choose not to spend in the interest of rolling it over into next year. |
Ohhhhh. Okay. So 19 to get to the floor?
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AlexGreen#20
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| justo wrote: | | AlexGreen#20 wrote: | | justo wrote: | | AlexGreen#20 wrote: | | justo wrote: | | Why are people saying 19 plz respond |
28-2 (rookie cap hit)-7 (expected roll over) |
why are you subtracting the roll over? |
It's what we will choose not to spend in the interest of rolling it over into next year. |
Ohhhhh. Okay. So 19 to get to the floor? |
Nope, that gets us to the cap. Floor really doesn't matter.
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justo
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| Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2014 8:34 pm Post subject: |
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| AlexGreen#20 wrote: | | justo wrote: | | AlexGreen#20 wrote: | | justo wrote: | | AlexGreen#20 wrote: | | justo wrote: | | Why are people saying 19 plz respond |
28-2 (rookie cap hit)-7 (expected roll over) |
why are you subtracting the roll over? |
It's what we will choose not to spend in the interest of rolling it over into next year. |
Ohhhhh. Okay. So 19 to get to the floor? |
Nope, that gets us to the cap. Floor really doesn't matter. |
I don't understand what the rollover is doing, then.
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AlexGreen#20
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| justo wrote: | | AlexGreen#20 wrote: | | justo wrote: | | AlexGreen#20 wrote: | | justo wrote: | | AlexGreen#20 wrote: | | justo wrote: | | Why are people saying 19 plz respond |
28-2 (rookie cap hit)-7 (expected roll over) |
why are you subtracting the roll over? |
It's what we will choose not to spend in the interest of rolling it over into next year. |
Ohhhhh. Okay. So 19 to get to the floor? |
Nope, that gets us to the cap. Floor really doesn't matter. |
I don't understand what the rollover is doing, then. |
It's insurance money for a rainy day. We still get to spend 135 million every year, but because we choose not to spend 7 mil the first year after the new CBA, and haven't spent it since, we could technically spend it.
We likely will not however as we've rolled over that 7 million every year and I don't see that likely changing this offseason.
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justo
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| Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2014 8:48 pm Post subject: |
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| AlexGreen#20 wrote: | | justo wrote: | | AlexGreen#20 wrote: | | justo wrote: | | AlexGreen#20 wrote: | | justo wrote: | | AlexGreen#20 wrote: | | justo wrote: | | Why are people saying 19 plz respond |
28-2 (rookie cap hit)-7 (expected roll over) |
why are you subtracting the roll over? |
It's what we will choose not to spend in the interest of rolling it over into next year. |
Ohhhhh. Okay. So 19 to get to the floor? |
Nope, that gets us to the cap. Floor really doesn't matter. |
I don't understand what the rollover is doing, then. |
It's insurance money for a rainy day. We still get to spend 135 million every year, but because we choose not to spend 7 mil the first year after the new CBA, and haven't spent it since, we could technically spend it.
We likely will not however as we've rolled over that 7 million every year and I don't see that likely changing this offseason. |
So we have (before Neal) 26 M in cap, but had the potential of 35 M?
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AlexGreen#20
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| justo wrote: | | AlexGreen#20 wrote: | | justo wrote: | | AlexGreen#20 wrote: | | justo wrote: | | AlexGreen#20 wrote: | | justo wrote: | | AlexGreen#20 wrote: | | justo wrote: | | Why are people saying 19 plz respond |
28-2 (rookie cap hit)-7 (expected roll over) |
why are you subtracting the roll over? |
It's what we will choose not to spend in the interest of rolling it over into next year. |
Ohhhhh. Okay. So 19 to get to the floor? |
Nope, that gets us to the cap. Floor really doesn't matter. |
I don't understand what the rollover is doing, then. |
It's insurance money for a rainy day. We still get to spend 135 million every year, but because we choose not to spend 7 mil the first year after the new CBA, and haven't spent it since, we could technically spend it.
We likely will not however as we've rolled over that 7 million every year and I don't see that likely changing this offseason. |
So we have (before Neal) 26 M in cap, but had the potential of 35 M? |
We had 27.8 mil in cap space before the signing of Neal including what we rolled over last year.
In reality, our rookie cap hit will be about 2 million and we will choose not to spend 7 million. So in reality before Neal we were operating around 18.8 million.
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Let me try and explain this better:
Assuming that a team spent every dollar of their cap space last year they would have roughly 135 million.
Because we spent 7 million less than the salary cap last year, we have that 7 million to spend this year, so our cap is 142 million. We will choose to only spend 135 so that we have 7 million more than the cap to spend next year.
We spend the standard cap limit every year.
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| Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2014 8:58 pm Post subject: |
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That money doesn't compound?
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| justo wrote: | | That money doesn't compound? |
It could, except that we always spend 7 million less than our cap that year.
2014: Standard NFL Cap is 135 million. We'll spend 135 million this year and our cap is 142 million. So we'll walk into next year with 7 million in excess.
2015: Assuming the standard NFL cap is 142 our cap would be 149. We will spend 142 and go into next year with 7 million in excess.
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RashaanSalaami
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| Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2014 9:13 pm Post subject: |
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The $7M is not a real number. It's something AG20 has noted the PACKERS will not spend in 2014 based on prior trends. Therefore, at the start of the 2015 league year, that $7M will be available to our team as a rollover.
I don't understand the method of promoting that number does though. If we rolled over $7M every year, it would essentially be a waste because we would never spend it. At some point we will dig into it and do what we want with it. I suspect that the right players were available (free agency, extensions, etc.), we would reduce our rollover. Our cap space is our cap space, however we choose to use it. I have included a breakdown of the numbers for whoever is interested, but there's no sense in bringing a hypothetical rollover into the equation IMO. Serves no purpose and forces people to view the comparison with other teams with an apples to oranges outlook.
The $7M means even less because that's after in-season transactions, so how is that going to help anyone back into a number of "usable" cap by your standards.
Finally, our Carryover was actually $9.8M from last year. In 2012 it was $5.2M according to Jason La Confora, so again, I don't understand the value of promoting a $7M figure as if it bears any real weight a year out.
Either way, I'm running a final audit on my numbers because they differ from a couple other sites to see if I can arrive at a more accurate number. Based on Tom Pelissero tweeted out a couple days ago, I show us with about $300K more cap space. It's hard to get to an official number, but that's about as close as you're gonna get with publicly available information. |
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| RashaanSalaami wrote: | The $7M is not a real number. It's something AG20 has noted the PACKERS will not spend in 2014 based on prior trends. Therefore, at the start of the 2015 league year, that $7M will be available to our team as a rollover.
I don't understand the method of promoting that number does though. If we rolled over $7M every year, it would essentially be a waste because we would never spend it. At some point we will dig into it and do what we want with it. I suspect that the right players were available (free agency, extensions, etc.), we would reduce our rollover. Our cap space is our cap space, however we choose to use it. I have included a breakdown of the numbers for whoever is interested, but there's no sense in bringing a hypothetical rollover into the equation IMO. Serves no purpose and forces people to view the comparison with other teams with an apples to oranges outlook.
Either way, I'm running a final audit on my numbers because they differ from a couple other sites to see if I can arrive at a more accurate number. Based on Tom Pelissero tweeted out a couple days ago, I show us with about $300K more cap space. It's hard to get to an official number, but that's about as close as you're gonna get with publicly available information. |
Right this.
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| Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2014 10:11 pm Post subject: |
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So after your numbers...our cap is 29.5?
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RashaanSalaami
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| Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2014 10:39 pm Post subject: |
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| justo wrote: | | So after your numbers...our cap is 29.5? |
Pending an audit, I'm reasonably confident we're at 28.5 +/- 500K. That is noninclusive of Mike Neal.
[EDIT] Sorry, not 29.5. It's 28.5, but still confirming a couple guys' numbers. |
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RashaanSalaami
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| Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2014 11:49 pm Post subject: |
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Though the official details of the Raji contract haven't come out yet, I show us with $21.2 million in cap space.
However, once the Raji contract is submitted, I believe the NFLPA Database will have us with $20.1 million in cap space.
I've gone through and double checked all my figures, so until more information is released to the public, I can't do much to reconcile the difference. If anyone is taking a gander at the actual spreadsheet linked on the first page and has any ideas, I'd be appreciative. |
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