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PostPosted: Wed Apr 03, 2013 1:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Anyone on this forum that somehow thinks Pat White is just here as a camp body and will be lucky to make the 53 man roster, needs to re-think their position on the matter.

Stop being naive and start thinking like a coach would.

Why would you bring in a guy to run the Read option/Pistol for the scout team & practices till RG3 is good to go, then just cut the guy loose.

When every coach in the NFL will be salivating to sign Pat White, to not only get their hands on the type of player that many coaches would like to do the same thing with....

But also get a visualization on how to STOP the read option/Pistol as well.

Not to mention, he will have a Redskins Playbook for them to mull over while they pick apart every play and formation we have.

Not only do I think he makes the 53 man roster, but I bet everyone here his contract is for 2 Years or more.

Small contract with very little or zero bonus.

Pat White wants a 2nd chance, but also wants a chance if he does break out, that he can land a much larger deal in the future. But 2 years gives him stability, which is better than what he's had lately.

This is not a camp fodder signing, imo.

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Bringing him in as camp fodder is dangerous. He makes the team.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 03, 2013 1:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jeez, the Pat White hype train is running strong.
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Jeez, the Pat White hype train is running strong.


Oh, don't get me wrong....I don't think he's a starter in this league at QB. But I do think it's a very smart signing by the skins because he can run the read option in camp so Garcon, Morgan, Davis et al. can keep practicing it.

He's really a running QB. He's what people automatically assumed RGIII would be before they saw him play (and some still do).

He's Vick with less of an arm.

It's also a really smart signing to keep the team practicing to play in and against the read option.

I do support keeping him on the 53 as a third stringer. No more, no less. If he works out, we can think about trading Cousins. If he doesn't, no problem.....
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Jeezy Fanatic wrote:
Jeez, the Pat White hype train is running strong.


It's not really that much hype, Jeezy.

But Pat White does run a 4.4 40.
Not many QB's (even those who can't throw) can run that.

We (at least I) believe he is in a better situation, than he was in Miami running that "Wildcat' offense under the QB killer Sparano.

Read option/pistol is a much better fit and Mike & Kyle know how to use QB's to their strengths.

He's still the #3 QB on the team.
But unlike a slow immobile QB who's a #3, White could actually be used in other situations on the field as a non-QB.
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turtle28 wrote:
21 ALL THE WAY wrote:
Give me the name of the guys that are still in Philly from their Dream Team. Is Young the only one not there? I don't think so. Albert Haynesworth leaving here is more on Shanahan than Albert IMO. He left a 3-4 D to come here and run a 4-3, than Shanahan came in and switch us to the same defensive scheme that Haynesworth obviously didn't want to play in.
those "few" players who aren't in Philly anymore from the failed dream team found jobs somewhere else. Vince young didn't have a job last year and remains unemployed....

Sound familiar? Sound similar to another Titan bust 1st round draft pick?

Albert Hanyesworth is a bum! He never played in a 3-4 before 2010, get your facts straight. He was a malcontent who screwed up our cap for 40 million guaranteed dollars. And he and Hall are the main reason we have a cap penalty right now, it was their bad contracts that Cerrato gave to them in 09 that we are paying for.

Please don't blame Mike Shanahan for what horrible effort and commitment Haynesworth gave this franchise for 2 seasons. He was the mistake, not mike Shanahan who it us our first division championship in 13 years, without Haynesworth.


You just gave my point more life. Why the hell would you change the scheme, if it dosen't fit your best asset on D? Plus other's on the D. Were we not a top 10 or 15 team on D while running the 4-3? Who else on that dream team was a top 5 pick outside of Vick and Young? Who else dealt with the same pressure such as a VY outside of VIck? NO ONE!!!! VY didn't sign with the Eagles to compete for a starting job, he went to get a ring as a bench warmer. Are we really arguing over who's better VY or Pat White? Really??????


When you are getting paid $100M, you can learn to adapt. Haynesworth was lazy and didn't care. Even when he was in a 4-3, he was lazy.

As for Vince Young vs. Pat White, I think this is honestly about a camp arm. If that's the case, White fits the bill more than Young does. Think about it: Pat White is dying for any chance to make a NFL roster. Vince Young is still thinking that he can be a backup with an upside chance of getting some starts.

Neither of these guys is a long term answer; only a short term hold over while Griffin gets healthy.

In the end, I bet its White is cheaper.




Whoop There it is! Lol Laughing

But in all seriousness I'll take Pat White over Vince Young anyday. Vince Young will be 30 by the end of May and White just already turned 26 this passed Feb. So that should tell you something, if not than here's another one.


Y on earth would you take a chance on non proven 1st round 5th pick guy who is inconsistent who has a personality issue and now doing a Jamarcus Russell move by losing weight and trying out at pro day in texas to be a backup? Pro day at that?? Dude like serious??!! There was no proday for White and they believed that since he is still younger and now healthier, maybe we can try him out for cheap and Vince Young will not come cheap. And if you get cut by the Bills, Titans and Eagles and still haven't proven your worth? And now you are 30 at Texas proday trying to win a spot on the team? To me that's the end of the line for you because you are beyond your prime..

JS.

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P.S. Dream team who play with Vince Young as an Eagle: Jason Babin, Cullen Jenkins, Nnamdi and Asante ohh and can't forget DRC and they may not be top 1st round 5th pick but before they left they're team to joining the Eagles??? I believe out 4 of 5 were probowlers. Again JS.. Vince Young is terrible
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Marcus21 wrote:
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So--RGIII starts the season on the PUP list- highly likley. It's the Opening Game of the season,,mid-second quarter Cousins gets his bell rung. Who you want coming in..Pat White or Grossman..
Me--I want Grossman, the veteran.. and P W on the P S


I hope to never see Rex Grossman in a Redskin uniform again. Ill take my shot with Pat White!!!!!!!! At least there is a lil mystery with White. I know exactly what Grossman will do.......throw 3 picks a game!!


And at least one fumble.....

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I see it as more of keeping players fresh with the read option. I dont think he will see the field, but its more just to keep the players fresh with the idea that when RGIII hits the field, this is what the offense will look like.


I think that's the biggest reason we signed him.

It also allows us to prep for the Chip Kelly Eagles and the 9ers this year.

I don't think he'll see the field as a starter, but it wouldn't shock me to see him in a package or two every few games.

I do think he makes the final 53 if for no other reason than to keep him away from the Giants, Cowboys and Eagles after he's learned our plays. The Giants were said to be interested because of his ability to emulate RGIII on the Practice Squad.

He cancelled a visit with them a day before he signed with us.

I find it funny that the article goes on to say that the Giants are looking at Hightower and Armstrong. They must really want to figure out a way to stop our Offense or at least learn a few plays.

They have a history of signing ex-Redskins (and to a lesser extent Eagles) for a year, in part I am sure, to find out what they know.
Pierce and LaVar (who were the only starters I can think of)
Ryan Torain (just before we played them in November)
Tim Hasselbeck (a week before we played them a few years ago)
and
Chris Horten are the first to come to mind.

The timing of at least two of the signings has always been a little suspect to me. Torain and Hasselbeck were both signed a week before we played them.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 03, 2013 11:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

turtle28 wrote:
skinsfanLA wrote:
Marcus21 wrote:
RSkinGM wrote:
So--RGIII starts the season on the PUP list- highly likley. It's the Opening Game of the season,,mid-second quarter Cousins gets his bell rung. Who you want coming in..Pat White or Grossman..
Me--I want Grossman, the veteran.. and P W on the P S


I hope to never see Rex Grossman in a Redskin uniform again. Ill take my shot with Pat White!!!!!!!! At least there is a lil mystery with White. I know exactly what Grossman will do.......throw 3 picks a game!!


And at least one fumble.....

mike23md wrote:
I see it as more of keeping players fresh with the read option. I dont think he will see the field, but its more just to keep the players fresh with the idea that when RGIII hits the field, this is what the offense will look like.


I think that's the biggest reason we signed him.

It also allows us to prep for the Chip Kelly Eagles and the 9ers this year.

I don't think he'll see the field as a starter, but it wouldn't shock me to see him in a package or two every few games.

I do think he makes the final 53 if for no other reason than to keep him away from the Giants, Cowboys and Eagles after he's learned our plays. The Giants were said to be interested because of his ability to emulate RGIII on the Practice Squad.

He cancelled a visit with them a day before he signed with us.

I find it funny that the article goes on to say that the Giants are looking at Hightower and Armstrong. They must really want to figure out a way to stop our Offense or at least learn a few plays.

They have a history of signing ex-Redskins (and to a lesser extent Eagles) for a year, in part I am sure, to find out what they know.
Pierce and LaVar (who were the only starters I can think of)
Ryan Torain (just before we played them in November)
Tim Hasselbeck (a week before we played them a few years ago)
and
Chris Horten are the first to come to mind.

The timing of at least two of the signings has always been a little suspect to me. Torain and Hasselbeck were both signed a week before we played them.
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I actually thought of B Mitch, but decided he couldn't have been one of those kinds of signings by the Giants because he was an Eagle first and was there for 3 years before signing with the Giants. In those three years we had 4 coaches.

Norv (the last coach B Mitch had as a Redskin)
Robiskie
Marty
Spurrier (the coach of the Skins when B Mitch signed with the Giants)

So the entire staff had turned over at least three times (dont think Robiskie got to bring in any of his "guys") by the time the Giants signed him.

And maybe this is just me, but I feel like these kinds of signings started when John Mara got control of the team. Could just be my suspicion of Mara since the cap ish.
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Soooo.......Pat White vs The Sex Cannon....who wins? Or does this mean we are possibly shopping Cousins for a DB or picks??
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***Update***
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Pat White's Redskins deal: one year, $480,000, no bonus, split salary of $303,000


https://twitter.com/RavensInsider/status/321344689267683328
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 2:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

aceinthehouse wrote:
Anyone on this forum that somehow thinks Pat White is just here as a camp body and will be lucky to make the 53 man roster, needs to re-think their position on the matter.

Stop being naive and start thinking like a coach would.

Why would you bring in a guy to run the Read option/Pistol for the scout team & practices till RG3 is good to go, then just cut the guy loose.

When every coach in the NFL will be salivating to sign Pat White, to not only get their hands on the type of player that many coaches would like to do the same thing with....

But also get a visualization on how to STOP the read option/Pistol as well.

Not to mention, he will have a Redskins Playbook for them to mull over while they pick apart every play and formation we have.

Not only do I think he makes the 53 man roster, but I bet everyone here his contract is for 2 Years or more.

Small contract with very little or zero bonus.

Pat White wants a 2nd chance, but also wants a chance if he does break out, that he can land a much larger deal in the future. But 2 years gives him stability, which is better than what he's had lately.

This is not a camp fodder signing, imo.
Great post and I agree. Applause
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Billy Spikes wrote:
***Update***
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Pat White's Redskins deal: one year, $480,000, no bonus, split salary of $303,000


https://twitter.com/RavensInsider/status/321344689267683328
Why are we suposed to belive the "Ravens Insider"??

Anyways. I still think he has as good a shot to make the team as Grossman does because he's a lot cheaper and younger than Grossman and he can run the offense similar to how Rg# does.

If things work our well for Pat here, we could be looking at a back up to RG3 for a while and once Rg3 proves he is back to what he was last year, then we can start shopping Kirk for a draft pick to try to recuperate those we lost in the Rg3 trade.
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Why are we suposed to belive the "Ravens Insider"??


It's just his old twitter handle, he's actually an all-around league guy like Adam Caplan/Adam Schefter/Ian Rapport/etc...
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He's a "camp arm" without a very good arm. He's not a very accurate passer and I can't ever see him playing QB at a high level in the NFL. I seriously doubt he makes the opening day roster, unless RG3 begins the year on PUP. I agree with others in this thread who have mentioned he's being brought in to allow the team to practice with a speedy QB for when RG3 comes back.
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He's a "camp arm" without a very good arm. He's not a very accurate passer and I can't ever see him playing QB at a high level in the NFL. I seriously doubt he makes the opening day roster, unless RG3 begins the year on PUP. I agree with others in this thread who have mentioned he's being brought in to allow the team to practice with a speedy QB for when RG3 comes back.
So you'd keep Grossman over White at nearly 3 times the price?
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He's a "camp arm" without a very good arm. He's not a very accurate passer and I can't ever see him playing QB at a high level in the NFL. I seriously doubt he makes the opening day roster, unless RG3 begins the year on PUP. I agree with others in this thread who have mentioned he's being brought in to allow the team to practice with a speedy QB for when RG3 comes back.
So you'd keep Grossman over White at nearly 3 times the price?
I don't really understand the question? Yes. 10 times out of 10. Absolutely. Grossman is a much more accompished QB than Pat White and he knows the offense.
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turtle28 wrote:
MKnight82 wrote:
He's a "camp arm" without a very good arm. He's not a very accurate passer and I can't ever see him playing QB at a high level in the NFL. I seriously doubt he makes the opening day roster, unless RG3 begins the year on PUP. I agree with others in this thread who have mentioned he's being brought in to allow the team to practice with a speedy QB for when RG3 comes back.
So you'd keep Grossman over White at nearly 3 times the price?
I don't really understand the question? Yes. 10 times out of 10. Absolutely. Grossman is a much more accompished QB than Pat White and he knows the offense.
i think White has a future as a back up in the league. If it wasn't for us Grossman would be out of the league
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