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PostPosted: Fri Mar 29, 2013 11:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My only issue is that now you are saying we need more weapons

More weapons
Starting interior OLmen
Defensive youth and depth

That is a pretty big shopping list for a team with 5 picks in the draft.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 29, 2013 11:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

WindyCity wrote:
My only issue is that now you are saying we need more weapons

More weapons
Starting interior OLmen
Defensive youth and depth

That is a pretty big shopping list for a team with 5 picks in the draft.


A FA doesn't cost a draft pick. Nevertheless, I would be SHOCKED if Phil Emery does not try to find a receiver in the draft that can stretch the field. No matter how you slice it, if he does that we only have four more picks.

Also, if we pick up a decent FA guard (even a stop-gap like Moore) we do not have to go with a high round guard that is a plug-n-play guard.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 29, 2013 11:30 am    Post subject: Re: hmmm.... Reply with quote

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I've been saying since free agency started....I liked him in North Carolina....

BRANDON TATE!!!!

He is a speed Slot guy that has better hands than DHB.....


He's a bust that has already been signed to play special teams. Dude sucks.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 29, 2013 1:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ChicagoAl wrote:
Roadrunner wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=3_e3epg9iaM#!

I wanted us to pick Barden up (late) when he came out, but Jerry was looking for another guy that could jump out of a pool. Razz
I would like Barden.


We need legitimate speed, not another big possession WR.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 29, 2013 2:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

G08 wrote:
ChicagoAl wrote:
Roadrunner wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=3_e3epg9iaM#!

I wanted us to pick Barden up (late) when he came out, but Jerry was looking for another guy that could jump out of a pool. Razz
I would like Barden.


We need legitimate speed, not another big possession WR.


The two are not mutually exclusive. As was said earlier in the thread, IMO we need TWO Wr's. including a speed guy.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 29, 2013 2:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Roadrunner wrote:
G08 wrote:
ChicagoAl wrote:
Roadrunner wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=3_e3epg9iaM#!

I wanted us to pick Barden up (late) when he came out, but Jerry was looking for another guy that could jump out of a pool. Razz
I would like Barden.


We need legitimate speed, not another big possession WR.


The two are not mutually exclusive. As was said earlier in the thread, IMO we need TWO Wr's. including a speed guy.


A speed guy is a need but that person would see limited snaps. Assuming they bring one in via FA or the draft what role are you looking for that 2nd WR to fill.

Marshall and Jeffrey are your starters, E. Bennett your slot receiver. Speed guy is on the field for certain sets. M. Bennett looks to be used extensively in the pass game and Forte is going to catch a ton of balls out of the backfield.

Its one thing if you are adding a dynamic player like Austin to the mix but that takes care of your speed guy to an extent. What exactly are you looking for, depth? That's something you can fill down the road, even after teams cut down to 53 during camp.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 29, 2013 2:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wiscbearsfan wrote:
Roadrunner wrote:
G08 wrote:
ChicagoAl wrote:
Roadrunner wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=3_e3epg9iaM#!

I wanted us to pick Barden up (late) when he came out, but Jerry was looking for another guy that could jump out of a pool. Razz
I would like Barden.


We need legitimate speed, not another big possession WR.


The two are not mutually exclusive. As was said earlier in the thread, IMO we need TWO Wr's. including a speed guy.


A speed guy is a need but that person would see limited snaps. Assuming they bring one in via FA or the draft what role are you looking for that 2nd WR to fill.

Marshall and Jeffrey are your starters, E. Bennett your slot receiver. Speed guy is on the field for certain sets. M. Bennett looks to be used extensively in the pass game and Forte is going to catch a ton of balls out of the backfield.

Its one thing if you are adding a dynamic player like Austin to the mix but that takes care of your speed guy to an extent. What exactly are you looking for, depth? That's something you can fill down the road, even after teams cut down to 53 during camp.


I agree. I have to assume that with the West Coast Offense that will be run that they will have 4 and 5 receiver sets at times. A depth guy and someone to rotate in would be good. I am cool with your plan...a castoff, as well. I just think Barden could be had for a song and a dance and believe him to be a high ceiling guy. I could be totally off base with that, though. I have been wrong once or twice. Wink
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 29, 2013 9:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Roadrunner wrote:
wiscbearsfan wrote:
Roadrunner wrote:
G08 wrote:
ChicagoAl wrote:
Roadrunner wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=3_e3epg9iaM#!

I wanted us to pick Barden up (late) when he came out, but Jerry was looking for another guy that could jump out of a pool. Razz
I would like Barden.


We need legitimate speed, not another big possession WR.


The two are not mutually exclusive. As was said earlier in the thread, IMO we need TWO Wr's. including a speed guy.


A speed guy is a need but that person would see limited snaps. Assuming they bring one in via FA or the draft what role are you looking for that 2nd WR to fill.

Marshall and Jeffrey are your starters, E. Bennett your slot receiver. Speed guy is on the field for certain sets. M. Bennett looks to be used extensively in the pass game and Forte is going to catch a ton of balls out of the backfield.

Its one thing if you are adding a dynamic player like Austin to the mix but that takes care of your speed guy to an extent. What exactly are you looking for, depth? That's something you can fill down the road, even after teams cut down to 53 during camp.


I agree. I have to assume that with the West Coast Offense that will be run that they will have 4 and 5 receiver sets at times. A depth guy and someone to rotate in would be good. I am cool with your plan...a castoff, as well. I just think Barden could be had for a song and a dance and believe him to be a high ceiling guy. I could be totally off base with that, though. I have been wrong once or twice. Wink
When we go to 5-wide, those 5 will be Marshall/Jeffery/E Bennett/M Bennett/Forte. Your 4th and 5th WRs on the roster are ST players primarily. Joe Anderson worked himself on to the active roster last year and turned into a hi-level STs player, so he'll be your 5th WR. If the Bears carry 6 WRs, then the 4th WR will be a burner, if they only carry 5, Hester is that 4th WR.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 29, 2013 9:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Roadrunner wrote:
G08 wrote:
ChicagoAl wrote:
Roadrunner wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=3_e3epg9iaM#!

I wanted us to pick Barden up (late) when he came out, but Jerry was looking for another guy that could jump out of a pool. Razz
I would like Barden.


We need legitimate speed, not another big possession WR.


The two are not mutually exclusive. As was said earlier in the thread, IMO we need TWO Wr's. including a speed guy.


Never said they were, and I strongly disagree that we need "TWO Wr's".

Marshall
Jeffery
Bennett
(speed guy)
Joe Anderson (I like this kid)

Then you still have E. Rod, Martellus Bennett, and Matt Forte. Not enough balls to go around and I don't want to waste a roster spot with a Ramses Barden (no ST value, IMO).
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 29, 2013 9:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

G08 wrote:
Roadrunner wrote:
G08 wrote:
ChicagoAl wrote:
Roadrunner wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=3_e3epg9iaM#!

I wanted us to pick Barden up (late) when he came out, but Jerry was looking for another guy that could jump out of a pool. Razz
I would like Barden.


We need legitimate speed, not another big possession WR.


The two are not mutually exclusive. As was said earlier in the thread, IMO we need TWO Wr's. including a speed guy.


Never said they were, and I strongly disagree that we need "TWO Wr's".

Marshall
Jeffery
Bennett
(speed guy)
Joe Anderson (I like this kid)

Then you still have E. Rod, Martellus Bennett, and Matt Forte. Not enough balls to go around and I don't want to waste a roster spot with a Ramses Barden (no ST value, IMO).


We agree, it is just that you are putting Joe Anderson in that spot. If he steps up, that works for me as well. I just want SOMEONE in that spot that can account for 4-500 yds for the season.

As a side note, I had forgotten what it was like to have a TE that can CATCH the ball. I was just watching them when they had Greg Olsen and that gave me more faith.

With that being said, if Joe Anderson is "that guy" and is active on game day I am all-in with you. Wink
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 29, 2013 9:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Roadrunner wrote:
G08 wrote:
Roadrunner wrote:
G08 wrote:
ChicagoAl wrote:
Roadrunner wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=3_e3epg9iaM#!

I wanted us to pick Barden up (late) when he came out, but Jerry was looking for another guy that could jump out of a pool. Razz
I would like Barden.


We need legitimate speed, not another big possession WR.


The two are not mutually exclusive. As was said earlier in the thread, IMO we need TWO Wr's. including a speed guy.


Never said they were, and I strongly disagree that we need "TWO Wr's".

Marshall
Jeffery
Bennett
(speed guy)
Joe Anderson (I like this kid)

Then you still have E. Rod, Martellus Bennett, and Matt Forte. Not enough balls to go around and I don't want to waste a roster spot with a Ramses Barden (no ST value, IMO).


We agree, it is just that you are putting Joe Anderson in that spot. If he steps up, that works for me as well. I just want SOMEONE in that spot that can account for 4-500 yds for the season.

As a side note, I had forgotten what it was like to have a TE that can CATCH the ball. I was just watching them when they had Greg Olsen and that gave me more faith.

With that being said, if Joe Anderson is "that guy" and is active on game day I am all-in with you. Wink


I think Marshall and Jeffery are going to be targeted, a LOT. I think Martellus Bennett will keep defenses honest in the middle of the field and Matt Forte will catch his fair share of screens/receptions split out wide. I don't really see us going 5 wide unless one of them is a TE and the other is Forte. Remember, it's all about showing the defense your personnel and manipulating it to your favor. You don't trot out 5 WRs and go 5 wide, that's tipping your hand. Matt is so valuable because he CAN split out as a WR. You can come in with two tight ends and split Martellus Bennett out wide and Matty in the slot, etc etc etc.

It's going to be SO. MUCH. FUN. watching Trestman's offense. I can't effin' wait.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 30, 2013 3:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

G08 wrote:
Roadrunner wrote:
G08 wrote:
ChicagoAl wrote:
Roadrunner wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=3_e3epg9iaM#!

I wanted us to pick Barden up (late) when he came out, but Jerry was looking for another guy that could jump out of a pool. Razz
I would like Barden.


We need legitimate speed, not another big possession WR.


The two are not mutually exclusive. As was said earlier in the thread, IMO we need TWO Wr's. including a speed guy.


Never said they were, and I strongly disagree that we need "TWO Wr's".

Marshall
Jeffery
Bennett
(speed guy)
Joe Anderson (I like this kid)

Then you still have E. Rod, Martellus Bennett, and Matt Forte. Not enough balls to go around and I don't want to waste a roster spot with a Ramses Barden (no ST value, IMO).
I meant to say we needed to draft two WRs. I am a pessimist so if we find one that sticks of the two that would be what I hoped for. Although it is possible that we could find two better than Weems.

Right now our roster has:
1) Weems
2) Terrence Tolliver
3) Dale Moss
4) Marshall
5) Jeffery
6) Hester
7) Brittain Golden
Cool Earl Bennett
9) Joe Anderson

Only two of those are locks and two probables.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 30, 2013 4:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ChicagoAl wrote:
G08 wrote:
Roadrunner wrote:
G08 wrote:
ChicagoAl wrote:
Roadrunner wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=3_e3epg9iaM#!

I wanted us to pick Barden up (late) when he came out, but Jerry was looking for another guy that could jump out of a pool. Razz
I would like Barden.


We need legitimate speed, not another big possession WR.


The two are not mutually exclusive. As was said earlier in the thread, IMO we need TWO Wr's. including a speed guy.


Never said they were, and I strongly disagree that we need "TWO Wr's".

Marshall
Jeffery
Bennett
(speed guy)
Joe Anderson (I like this kid)

Then you still have E. Rod, Martellus Bennett, and Matt Forte. Not enough balls to go around and I don't want to waste a roster spot with a Ramses Barden (no ST value, IMO).
I meant to say we needed to draft two WRs. I am a pessimist so if we find one that sticks of the two that would be what I hoped for. Although it is possible that we could find two better than Weems.

Right now our roster has:
1) Weems
2) Terrence Tolliver
3) Dale Moss
4) Marshall
5) Jeffery
6) Hester
7) Brittain Golden
Cool Earl Bennett
9) Joe Anderson

Only two of those are locks and two probables.


I see three for sures on that list. Marshall/Jefferey/Bennett
I am (as of now) assuming Hester won't play WR.
Weems is no more valuable than Anderson/Golden/Moss in my mind. Moss is a bit of a hybrid guy in the vein of Marshall. He is big, huge radius and runs 4.4(ish). I am not comparing him to Marshall in any way other than the speed and size elements. I'd love him to develop into something, but see these three as longshots to become regular contributors.

Tolliver, I am going to look up. I honestly don't know much of anything about him.

Weems...he is just there. I would be ok with cutting him for any of these guys or another as long as they could enhance our ST play. I will look at his stats to see if they coincide with my remembrance of his receiver play last season.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 31, 2013 8:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Roadrunner wrote:
ChicagoAl wrote:
G08 wrote:
Roadrunner wrote:
G08 wrote:
ChicagoAl wrote:
Roadrunner wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=3_e3epg9iaM#!

I wanted us to pick Barden up (late) when he came out, but Jerry was looking for another guy that could jump out of a pool. Razz
I would like Barden.


We need legitimate speed, not another big possession WR.


The two are not mutually exclusive. As was said earlier in the thread, IMO we need TWO Wr's. including a speed guy.


Never said they were, and I strongly disagree that we need "TWO Wr's".

Marshall
Jeffery
Bennett
(speed guy)
Joe Anderson (I like this kid)

Then you still have E. Rod, Martellus Bennett, and Matt Forte. Not enough balls to go around and I don't want to waste a roster spot with a Ramses Barden (no ST value, IMO).
I meant to say we needed to draft two WRs. I am a pessimist so if we find one that sticks of the two that would be what I hoped for. Although it is possible that we could find two better than Weems.

Right now our roster has:
1) Weems
2) Terrence Tolliver
3) Dale Moss
4) Marshall
5) Jeffery
6) Hester
7) Brittain Golden
Cool Earl Bennett
9) Joe Anderson

Only two of those are locks and two probables.


I see three for sures on that list. Marshall/Jefferey/Bennett
I am (as of not) assuming Hester won't play WR.
Weems is no more valuable than Anderson/Golden/Moss in my mind. Moss is a bit of a hybrid guy in the vein of Marshall. He is big, huge radius and runs 4.4(ish). I am not comparing him to Marshall in any way other than the speed and size elements. I'd love him to develop into something, but see these three as longshots to become regular contributors.

Tolliver, I am going to look up. I honestly don't know much of anything about him.

Weems...he is just there. I would be ok with cutting him for any of these guys or another as long as they could enhance our ST play. I will look at his stats to see if they coincide with my remembrance of his receiver play last season.
You can rest assured these coaches will only keep those who can help us and if one of these unknowns can he will stay. I liked Anderson's play in the pre-season so I have hope for him (as always with pre-season heroes).
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 31, 2013 8:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ChicagoAl wrote:
Roadrunner wrote:
ChicagoAl wrote:
G08 wrote:
Roadrunner wrote:
G08 wrote:
ChicagoAl wrote:
Roadrunner wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=3_e3epg9iaM#!

I wanted us to pick Barden up (late) when he came out, but Jerry was looking for another guy that could jump out of a pool. Razz
I would like Barden.


We need legitimate speed, not another big possession WR.


The two are not mutually exclusive. As was said earlier in the thread, IMO we need TWO Wr's. including a speed guy.


Never said they were, and I strongly disagree that we need "TWO Wr's".

Marshall
Jeffery
Bennett
(speed guy)
Joe Anderson (I like this kid)

Then you still have E. Rod, Martellus Bennett, and Matt Forte. Not enough balls to go around and I don't want to waste a roster spot with a Ramses Barden (no ST value, IMO).
I meant to say we needed to draft two WRs. I am a pessimist so if we find one that sticks of the two that would be what I hoped for. Although it is possible that we could find two better than Weems.

Right now our roster has:
1) Weems
2) Terrence Tolliver
3) Dale Moss
4) Marshall
5) Jeffery
6) Hester
7) Brittain Golden
Cool Earl Bennett
9) Joe Anderson

Only two of those are locks and two probables.


I see three for sures on that list. Marshall/Jefferey/Bennett
I am (as of not) assuming Hester won't play WR.
Weems is no more valuable than Anderson/Golden/Moss in my mind. Moss is a bit of a hybrid guy in the vein of Marshall. He is big, huge radius and runs 4.4(ish). I am not comparing him to Marshall in any way other than the speed and size elements. I'd love him to develop into something, but see these three as longshots to become regular contributors.

Tolliver, I am going to look up. I honestly don't know much of anything about him.

Weems...he is just there. I would be ok with cutting him for any of these guys or another as long as they could enhance our ST play. I will look at his stats to see if they coincide with my remembrance of his receiver play last season.
You can rest assured these coaches will only keep those who can help us and if one of these unknowns can he will stay. I liked Anderson's play in the pre-season so I have hope for him (as always with pre-season heroes).

He added a lot on ST in his brief stint at the end of last year too.
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