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PostPosted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 9:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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What sucks about Louis is that we put in the development time with him and lived through the growing pains.

However as Mike said earlier I think this is a systematic rebuild of the OL.

And average pieces are not worth keeping as we make our moves. Louis despite being the Bears best OLMen last season was very average and while we do not see the solution right now I think he is aiming for someone better than Louis.
Sorry Windy, but this is revisionist history if ever there was. Louis was well above average, he was talked about as playing at a probowl level. Everyone on this board knows that had he not suffered that Allen cheapshot he would have gotten a big payday this year.
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Superman(DH23) wrote:
WindyCity wrote:
What sucks about Louis is that we put in the development time with him and lived through the growing pains.

However as Mike said earlier I think this is a systematic rebuild of the OL.

And average pieces are not worth keeping as we make our moves. Louis despite being the Bears best OLMen last season was very average and while we do not see the solution right now I think he is aiming for someone better than Louis.
Sorry Windy, but this is revisionist history if ever there was. Louis was well above average, he was talked about as playing at a probowl level. Everyone on this board knows that had he not suffered that Allen cheapshot he would have gotten a big payday this year.


I don't look at it as revisionist history but more sober 2nd thought. Everything looks better and worse during the season than they actually are.

Major Wright was on Peter King's mid season All Pro team and while he was much better in the end he did not get a single award.

I think the people proclaiming Louis as a Pro Bowl player were a little excited about his improvement. I was one of them, but the knee injury and some time outside the season makes you think more.

There is no doubt he was one if our best OLmen and is a pretty good player, but I think you don't get upset about losing pretty good players.

PFF had him graded out in the mid 20s of OGs in the league.

He is an NFL caliber OG and I expect him to start for the Dolphins if his knee is healthy. But he is far from irreplaceable and there are a number of NFC OGs I would take over him,

Chris Snee
Evan Mathis
Carl Nicks
Davin Jospeh
Ben Grubbs
Jahri Evans
Mike Iuapti
Alex Boone
Harvey Dahl
Rob Sims
Josh Sitton
*in no particular order.

At best Louis is the 12th best OG in the NFC.

My point is that we can do better than Louis assuming that he is even healthy.
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Superman(DH23) wrote:
WindyCity wrote:
What sucks about Louis is that we put in the development time with him and lived through the growing pains.

However as Mike said earlier I think this is a systematic rebuild of the OL.

And average pieces are not worth keeping as we make our moves. Louis despite being the Bears best OLMen last season was very average and while we do not see the solution right now I think he is aiming for someone better than Louis.
Sorry Windy, but this is revisionist history if ever there was. Louis was well above average, he was talked about as playing at a probowl level. Everyone on this board knows that had he not suffered that Allen cheapshot he would have gotten a big payday this year.


It seems in every teams forum that once a player is gone that he somehow had a worse season then everyone watched.

Louis is a big loss if we don't find someone in free-agency. He was having a great season and was only drafted so late because his off the field incident. This leads me to believe he definitely had the potential to improve and possibly play at a pro-bowl level.

The only way I am okay with losing him is if his injury (I hate Jared Allen) is detrimental to his play.
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I'll be ok with his loss as long as we:
- sign a decent FA (Moore, Slauson, etc)
- spend our 1st or 2nd pick in the draft on a replacement.
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WindyCity wrote:
Superman(DH23) wrote:
WindyCity wrote:
What sucks about Louis is that we put in the development time with him and lived through the growing pains.

However as Mike said earlier I think this is a systematic rebuild of the OL.

And average pieces are not worth keeping as we make our moves. Louis despite being the Bears best OLMen last season was very average and while we do not see the solution right now I think he is aiming for someone better than Louis.
Sorry Windy, but this is revisionist history if ever there was. Louis was well above average, he was talked about as playing at a probowl level. Everyone on this board knows that had he not suffered that Allen cheapshot he would have gotten a big payday this year.


I don't look at it as revisionist history but more sober 2nd thought. Everything looks better and worse during the season than they actually are.

Major Wright was on Peter King's mid season All Pro team and while he was much better in the end he did not get a single award.

I think the people proclaiming Louis as a Pro Bowl player were a little excited about his improvement. I was one of them, but the knee injury and some time outside the season makes you think more.

There is no doubt he was one if our best OLmen and is a pretty good player, but I think you don't get upset about losing pretty good players.

PFF had him graded out in the mid 20s of OGs in the league.

He is an NFL caliber OG and I expect him to start for the Dolphins if his knee is healthy. But he is far from irreplaceable and there are a number of NFC OGs I would take over him,

Chris Snee
Evan Mathis
Carl Nicks
Davin Jospeh
Ben Grubbs
Jahri Evans
Mike Iuapti
Alex Boone
Harvey Dahl
Rob Sims
Josh Sitton
*in no particular order.

At best Louis is the 12th best OG in the NFC.

My point is that we can do better than Louis assuming that he is even healthy.


Have you seen the rest of our line? That makes him easily our best lineman last season. Adding Bushrod was a priority to help build this line. If we had Louis and a 1st round G then we could have a pretty damn good line.
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bears2308 wrote:
Superman(DH23) wrote:
WindyCity wrote:
What sucks about Louis is that we put in the development time with him and lived through the growing pains.

However as Mike said earlier I think this is a systematic rebuild of the OL.

And average pieces are not worth keeping as we make our moves. Louis despite being the Bears best OLMen last season was very average and while we do not see the solution right now I think he is aiming for someone better than Louis.
Sorry Windy, but this is revisionist history if ever there was. Louis was well above average, he was talked about as playing at a probowl level. Everyone on this board knows that had he not suffered that Allen cheapshot he would have gotten a big payday this year.


It seems in every teams forum that once a player is gone that he somehow had a worse season then everyone watched.

Louis is a big loss if we don't find someone in free-agency. He was having a great season and was only drafted so late because his off the field incident. This leads me to believe he definitely had the potential to improve and possibly play at a pro-bowl level.

The only way I am okay with losing him is if his injury (I hate Jared Allen) is detrimental to his play.


I am not saying he was not good and he does open up a hole at RG that we need to find a replacement for.

But there is only so much you can do to keep good but injured players.

Lance Louis while a loss is not going to be that difficult to replace because solid OGs are easy to find.

I think this is a statement about how the coaching staff feel about James Brown as they seemed okay after their evaluations about not making a big push to re-sign Lance Louis.
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WindyCity wrote:
bears2308 wrote:
Superman(DH23) wrote:
WindyCity wrote:
What sucks about Louis is that we put in the development time with him and lived through the growing pains.

However as Mike said earlier I think this is a systematic rebuild of the OL.

And average pieces are not worth keeping as we make our moves. Louis despite being the Bears best OLMen last season was very average and while we do not see the solution right now I think he is aiming for someone better than Louis.
Sorry Windy, but this is revisionist history if ever there was. Louis was well above average, he was talked about as playing at a probowl level. Everyone on this board knows that had he not suffered that Allen cheapshot he would have gotten a big payday this year.


It seems in every teams forum that once a player is gone that he somehow had a worse season then everyone watched.

Louis is a big loss if we don't find someone in free-agency. He was having a great season and was only drafted so late because his off the field incident. This leads me to believe he definitely had the potential to improve and possibly play at a pro-bowl level.

The only way I am okay with losing him is if his injury (I hate Jared Allen) is detrimental to his play.


I am not saying he was not good and he does open up a hole at RG that we need to find a replacement for.

But there is only so much you can do to keep good but injured players.

Lance Louis while a loss is not going to be that difficult to replace because solid OGs are easy to find.

I think this is a statement about how the coaching staff feel about James Brown as they seemed okay after their evaluations about not making a big push to re-sign Lance Louis.


The staff who has never seen him in pads? I won't hold my breath.
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bears2308 wrote:
WindyCity wrote:
Superman(DH23) wrote:
WindyCity wrote:
What sucks about Louis is that we put in the development time with him and lived through the growing pains.

However as Mike said earlier I think this is a systematic rebuild of the OL.

And average pieces are not worth keeping as we make our moves. Louis despite being the Bears best OLMen last season was very average and while we do not see the solution right now I think he is aiming for someone better than Louis.
Sorry Windy, but this is revisionist history if ever there was. Louis was well above average, he was talked about as playing at a probowl level. Everyone on this board knows that had he not suffered that Allen cheapshot he would have gotten a big payday this year.


I don't look at it as revisionist history but more sober 2nd thought. Everything looks better and worse during the season than they actually are.

Major Wright was on Peter King's mid season All Pro team and while he was much better in the end he did not get a single award.

I think the people proclaiming Louis as a Pro Bowl player were a little excited about his improvement. I was one of them, but the knee injury and some time outside the season makes you think more.

There is no doubt he was one if our best OLmen and is a pretty good player, but I think you don't get upset about losing pretty good players.

PFF had him graded out in the mid 20s of OGs in the league.

He is an NFL caliber OG and I expect him to start for the Dolphins if his knee is healthy. But he is far from irreplaceable and there are a number of NFC OGs I would take over him,

Chris Snee
Evan Mathis
Carl Nicks
Davin Jospeh
Ben Grubbs
Jahri Evans
Mike Iuapti
Alex Boone
Harvey Dahl
Rob Sims
Josh Sitton
*in no particular order.

At best Louis is the 12th best OG in the NFC.

My point is that we can do better than Louis assuming that he is even healthy.


Have you seen the rest of our line? That makes him easily our best lineman last season. Adding Bushrod was a priority to help build this line. If we had Louis and a 1st round G then we could have a pretty damn good line.


Being the Bears best OLmen does not mean anything the line was terrible.

We are in the same position with

Carimi/Brown
1st/ 2nd round pick

Slauson
1st/ 2nd round pick

We are better with

Brandon Moore
1st/2nd round pick

Louis was evaluated by Emery and this coaching staff and was not a priotrity to re-sign and that tells me everything I need to know about him.
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WindyCity wrote:
Superman(DH23) wrote:
WindyCity wrote:
What sucks about Louis is that we put in the development time with him and lived through the growing pains.

However as Mike said earlier I think this is a systematic rebuild of the OL.

And average pieces are not worth keeping as we make our moves. Louis despite being the Bears best OLMen last season was very average and while we do not see the solution right now I think he is aiming for someone better than Louis.
Sorry Windy, but this is revisionist history if ever there was. Louis was well above average, he was talked about as playing at a probowl level. Everyone on this board knows that had he not suffered that Allen cheapshot he would have gotten a big payday this year.


I don't look at it as revisionist history but more sober 2nd thought. Everything looks better and worse during the season than they actually are.

Major Wright was on Peter King's mid season All Pro team and while he was much better in the end he did not get a single award.

I think the people proclaiming Louis as a Pro Bowl player were a little excited about his improvement. I was one of them, but the knee injury and some time outside the season makes you think more.

There is no doubt he was one if our best OLmen and is a pretty good player, but I think you don't get upset about losing pretty good players.

PFF had him graded out in the mid 20s of OGs in the league.

He is an NFL caliber OG and I expect him to start for the Dolphins if his knee is healthy. But he is far from irreplaceable and there are a number of NFC OGs I would take over him,

Chris Snee
Evan Mathis
Carl Nicks
Davin Jospeh
Ben Grubbs
Jahri Evans
Mike Iuapti
Alex Boone
Harvey Dahl
Rob Sims
Josh Sitton
*in no particular order.

At best Louis is the 12th best OG in the NFC.

My point is that we can do better than Louis assuming that he is even healthy.
Evan Mathis is horrible but PFF has some fascination w/ him I don't understand. Louis was easily better than him, better than Sims, better than Dahl, he was playing at the same level as Alex Boone.

As for the Major Wright comment, he didn't make all pro, but that doesn't mean Major wasn't playing at a high level last year as well.

Lance Louis was far from just average, and to say that he was is really just sour grapes and trying to justify not resigning him, when we all know he should have been.
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bears2308 wrote:
WindyCity wrote:
bears2308 wrote:
Superman(DH23) wrote:
WindyCity wrote:
What sucks about Louis is that we put in the development time with him and lived through the growing pains.

However as Mike said earlier I think this is a systematic rebuild of the OL.

And average pieces are not worth keeping as we make our moves. Louis despite being the Bears best OLMen last season was very average and while we do not see the solution right now I think he is aiming for someone better than Louis.
Sorry Windy, but this is revisionist history if ever there was. Louis was well above average, he was talked about as playing at a probowl level. Everyone on this board knows that had he not suffered that Allen cheapshot he would have gotten a big payday this year.


It seems in every teams forum that once a player is gone that he somehow had a worse season then everyone watched.

Louis is a big loss if we don't find someone in free-agency. He was having a great season and was only drafted so late because his off the field incident. This leads me to believe he definitely had the potential to improve and possibly play at a pro-bowl level.

The only way I am okay with losing him is if his injury (I hate Jared Allen) is detrimental to his play.


I am not saying he was not good and he does open up a hole at RG that we need to find a replacement for.

But there is only so much you can do to keep good but injured players.

Lance Louis while a loss is not going to be that difficult to replace because solid OGs are easy to find.

I think this is a statement about how the coaching staff feel about James Brown as they seemed okay after their evaluations about not making a big push to re-sign Lance Louis.


The staff who has never seen him in pads? I won't hold my breath.


They have 4 games worth if film, which is worth more than a year of practices. Game film is what is used to make these evaluations you can suck in practice as long as you perform on Sunday.

Louis was a guy we all over rated because we needed an OLmen to believe in. It is the same reason we still try and believe in Carimi and why now we are over rating James Brown.

It is going to take a couple do years but I think Phil Emery is raising the bar for the Bears OL.

Being adequate at your job is not going to get you paid anymore.
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WindyCity wrote:
bears2308 wrote:
WindyCity wrote:
Superman(DH23) wrote:
WindyCity wrote:
What sucks about Louis is that we put in the development time with him and lived through the growing pains.

However as Mike said earlier I think this is a systematic rebuild of the OL.

And average pieces are not worth keeping as we make our moves. Louis despite being the Bears best OLMen last season was very average and while we do not see the solution right now I think he is aiming for someone better than Louis.
Sorry Windy, but this is revisionist history if ever there was. Louis was well above average, he was talked about as playing at a probowl level. Everyone on this board knows that had he not suffered that Allen cheapshot he would have gotten a big payday this year.


I don't look at it as revisionist history but more sober 2nd thought. Everything looks better and worse during the season than they actually are.

Major Wright was on Peter King's mid season All Pro team and while he was much better in the end he did not get a single award.

I think the people proclaiming Louis as a Pro Bowl player were a little excited about his improvement. I was one of them, but the knee injury and some time outside the season makes you think more.

There is no doubt he was one if our best OLmen and is a pretty good player, but I think you don't get upset about losing pretty good players.

PFF had him graded out in the mid 20s of OGs in the league.

He is an NFL caliber OG and I expect him to start for the Dolphins if his knee is healthy. But he is far from irreplaceable and there are a number of NFC OGs I would take over him,

Chris Snee
Evan Mathis
Carl Nicks
Davin Jospeh
Ben Grubbs
Jahri Evans
Mike Iuapti
Alex Boone
Harvey Dahl
Rob Sims
Josh Sitton
*in no particular order.

At best Louis is the 12th best OG in the NFC.

My point is that we can do better than Louis assuming that he is even healthy.


Have you seen the rest of our line? That makes him easily our best lineman last season. Adding Bushrod was a priority to help build this line. If we had Louis and a 1st round G then we could have a pretty damn good line.


Being the Bears best OLmen does not mean anything the line was terrible.

We are in the same position with

Carimi/Brown
1st/ 2nd round pick

Slauson
1st/ 2nd round pick

We are better with

Brandon Moore
1st/2nd round pick

Louis was evaluated by Emery and this coaching staff and was not a priotrity to re-sign and that tells me everything I need to know about him.
Just...Stop. Carimi/Brown are not equal to Lance Louis, not combined, not individually. Matt Slauson is not equal to Lance Louis, and Brandon Moore is certainly not BETTER than Lance Louis.

This OL is much, much, much better w/ a healthy Lance Louis than any options out there right now.
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Superman(DH23) wrote:
WindyCity wrote:
Superman(DH23) wrote:
WindyCity wrote:
What sucks about Louis is that we put in the development time with him and lived through the growing pains.

However as Mike said earlier I think this is a systematic rebuild of the OL.

And average pieces are not worth keeping as we make our moves. Louis despite being the Bears best OLMen last season was very average and while we do not see the solution right now I think he is aiming for someone better than Louis.
Sorry Windy, but this is revisionist history if ever there was. Louis was well above average, he was talked about as playing at a probowl level. Everyone on this board knows that had he not suffered that Allen cheapshot he would have gotten a big payday this year.


I don't look at it as revisionist history but more sober 2nd thought. Everything looks better and worse during the season than they actually are.

Major Wright was on Peter King's mid season All Pro team and while he was much better in the end he did not get a single award.

I think the people proclaiming Louis as a Pro Bowl player were a little excited about his improvement. I was one of them, but the knee injury and some time outside the season makes you think more.

There is no doubt he was one if our best OLmen and is a pretty good player, but I think you don't get upset about losing pretty good players.

PFF had him graded out in the mid 20s of OGs in the league.

He is an NFL caliber OG and I expect him to start for the Dolphins if his knee is healthy. But he is far from irreplaceable and there are a number of NFC OGs I would take over him,

Chris Snee
Evan Mathis
Carl Nicks
Davin Jospeh
Ben Grubbs
Jahri Evans
Mike Iuapti
Alex Boone
Harvey Dahl
Rob Sims
Josh Sitton
*in no particular order.

At best Louis is the 12th best OG in the NFC.

My point is that we can do better than Louis assuming that he is even healthy.
Evan Mathis is horrible but PFF has some fascination w/ him I don't understand. Louis was easily better than him, better than Sims, better than Dahl, he was playing at the same level as Alex Boone.

As for the Major Wright comment, he didn't make all pro, but that doesn't mean Major wasn't playing at a high level last year as well.

Lance Louis was far from just average, and to say that he was is really just sour grapes and trying to justify not resigning him, when we all know he should have been.


It is not sour grapes it is realizing that he wasn't a building block for this line and people smarter than us and with more information than us made the decision by not re-signing him. Louis is a good player and a guy that I really like and I wanted him to be re-signed, but I did not break down each snap in the end zone film and I do not know the medical reports on his knee. Clearly it neither were as good as we hoped because a Multi year non minimum deal was not offered.

It is a loss, but hardly one that cannot be recovered from.

Alex Boone was arguably the best OG in football last season.
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If we go into the draft w/ Carimi/Brown as our starting OGs what they tells me more than anything is Phil Emery is full of crap. You can't say you are placing a premium on protecting the QB, ignore the OL completely one year, let your best OL walk, replace your 2nd best, and ignore the glaring weakness the next. When he made the statement that he didn't go after any OL in FA last year b/c his 3 targets retired I said that that sounded like he had a really bad plan. If he's going to let the interior get WORSE, that reinforces he has a really bad plan to me. I'll hold off judgement until after the draft, but right now I'm not seeing a lot to like about the OL direction.
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If we go into the draft w/ Carimi/Brown as our starting OGs what they tells me more than anything is Phil Emery is full of crap. You can't say you are placing a premium on protecting the QB, ignore the OL completely one year, let your best OL walk, replace your 2nd best, and ignore the glaring weakness the next. When he made the statement that he didn't go after any OL in FA last year b/c his 3 targets retired I said that that sounded like he had a really bad plan. If he's going to let the interior get WORSE, that reinforces he has a really bad plan to me. I'll hold off judgement until after the draft, but right now I'm not seeing a lot to like about the OL direction.


This is where we agree totally.

The interior OL is weak right now and we are relying on unproven talent.

We need to see a major investment in the interior OL in the draft with a minimum of 1 starter and another guy to compete. I will beivid if we do not add at least 2 players to the interior.

Right now we have not invested in the OL we have improved at OT while weakening at OG.
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Superman(DH23) wrote:
WindyCity wrote:
What sucks about Louis is that we put in the development time with him and lived through the growing pains.

However as Mike said earlier I think this is a systematic rebuild of the OL.

And average pieces are not worth keeping as we make our moves. Louis despite being the Bears best OLMen last season was very average and while we do not see the solution right now I think he is aiming for someone better than Louis.
Sorry Windy, but this is revisionist history if ever there was. Louis was well above average, he was talked about as playing at a probowl level. Everyone on this board knows that had he not suffered that Allen cheapshot he would have gotten a big payday this year.
I agree with this. If we resigned him no one would be saying he's average. We'd all be very happy.
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