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Swift924


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 10:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

or Bridgewater or Johnny Football instead of paying Ryan 20 mil per season

Trade Ryan *only if* he doesnt lead Falcons to Super Bowl with loaded team
and his agent wants 20 mil per season. If Ryan wants to be on Falcons and he doesnt win a ring I would be cool with Ryan taking a Brady type deal out where he can help the team. Ryan get paid 13 mil per season. cool with Ryan at QB
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Swift924 wrote:
or Bridgewater or Johnny Football instead of paying Ryan 20 mil per season

Trade Ryan *only if* he doesnt lead Falcons to Super Bowl with loaded team
and his agent wants 20 mil per season. If Ryan wants to be on Falcons and he doesnt win a ring I would be cool with Ryan taking a Brady type deal out where he can help the team. Ryan get paid 13 mil per season. cool with Ryan at QB


No matter how crazy that statement is, lets pretend for a second that that happens. If Bridgewater, Manziel or anyone else turns out even close to the level that Ryan is on, they will command a big contract too. If you have a good QB, there's no way around paying him.
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BeeperKing wrote:
Swift924 wrote:
or Bridgewater or Johnny Football instead of paying Ryan 20 mil per season

Trade Ryan *only if* he doesnt lead Falcons to Super Bowl with loaded team
and his agent wants 20 mil per season. If Ryan wants to be on Falcons and he doesnt win a ring I would be cool with Ryan taking a Brady type deal out where he can help the team. Ryan get paid 13 mil per season. cool with Ryan at QB


No matter how crazy that statement is, lets pretend for a second that that happens. If Bridgewater, Manziel or anyone else turns out even close to the level that Ryan is on, they will command a big contract too. If you have a good QB, there's no way around paying him.

Manziel isn't going to be good in the NFL and Teddy will be the first overall pick. Who would trade the first overall pick to get a QB on a 1-year deal who will bolt in the offseason anyways.

This whole scenario isn't realistic or logical in any fashion whatsoever..
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BeeperKing wrote:
Swift924 wrote:
or Bridgewater or Johnny Football instead of paying Ryan 20 mil per season

Trade Ryan *only if* he doesnt lead Falcons to Super Bowl with loaded team
and his agent wants 20 mil per season. If Ryan wants to be on Falcons and he doesnt win a ring I would be cool with Ryan taking a Brady type deal out where he can help the team. Ryan get paid 13 mil per season. cool with Ryan at QB


No matter how crazy that statement is, lets pretend for a second that that happens. If Bridgewater, Manziel or anyone else turns out even close to the level that Ryan is on, they will command a big contract too. If you have a good QB, there's no way around paying him.



Its about expanding your windows. Look at New England . Why are Pats successful? Good coaching and Brady. Brady also helps Pats cause he is not killing his team salary cap and is a bargain. He is under valued . He took the team route .


If Falcons were to trade for Bridgewater or Johnny Football it would expand the window next 5 years. Falcons only have this season and next season to be a Super Bowl team before they start the whole retooling process and wait to see what Julio Jones contract will turn out


Bridgewater + Julio =17 in cap hits
Ryan + Julio = 28 million in cap hits

That 11 million could be used elsewhere on team .



Now if Ryan leads Falcons to a Super Bowl. He is going to be overpaid like Flacco was overpaid. I have no problem with Ryan on team if he went the Tom Brady route and took less. so we can build a team around him


To answer when time comes around to see if Bridgewater or Johnny Footall get paid you have hoped to have win a championship in that 5 year window and if you are forced to pay them least you are paying a QB that has won a Super Bowl instead of a QB that has only 1 playoff win.
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adam9 wrote:
BeeperKing wrote:
Swift924 wrote:
or Bridgewater or Johnny Football instead of paying Ryan 20 mil per season

Trade Ryan *only if* he doesnt lead Falcons to Super Bowl with loaded team
and his agent wants 20 mil per season. If Ryan wants to be on Falcons and he doesnt win a ring I would be cool with Ryan taking a Brady type deal out where he can help the team. Ryan get paid 13 mil per season. cool with Ryan at QB


No matter how crazy that statement is, lets pretend for a second that that happens. If Bridgewater, Manziel or anyone else turns out even close to the level that Ryan is on, they will command a big contract too. If you have a good QB, there's no way around paying him.

Manziel isn't going to be good in the NFL and Teddy will be the first overall pick. Who would trade the first overall pick to get a QB on a 1-year deal who will bolt in the offseason anyways.

This whole scenario isn't realistic or logical in any fashion whatsoever..



Thanks for making my point. No one in right mind would trade Russell Wilson or Luck for Ryan? why cause they are both productive players and cheaper. They might not have same production as Ryan but for there cost just as good

Wilson cost 544k against the cap threw for 26 tds
Ryan is 12 mil vs cap and he threw for 32 tds


which is better value ?


Lets say Ryan leads us to playoffs this year and is 1 and done. Him and his agent want same deal as Flacco ..Me personally Id rather franchise Matt Ryan and trade him and get two first round draft picks. I would then with those draft picks go after Bridgewater or Johnny Football.

Now with the extra $$ we save in cap we can build a better defense around the young QB .
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Swift924 wrote:
BeeperKing wrote:
Swift924 wrote:
or Bridgewater or Johnny Football instead of paying Ryan 20 mil per season

Trade Ryan *only if* he doesnt lead Falcons to Super Bowl with loaded team
and his agent wants 20 mil per season. If Ryan wants to be on Falcons and he doesnt win a ring I would be cool with Ryan taking a Brady type deal out where he can help the team. Ryan get paid 13 mil per season. cool with Ryan at QB


No matter how crazy that statement is, lets pretend for a second that that happens. If Bridgewater, Manziel or anyone else turns out even close to the level that Ryan is on, they will command a big contract too. If you have a good QB, there's no way around paying him.



Its about expanding your windows. Look at New England . Why are Pats successful? Good coaching and Brady. Brady also helps Pats cause he is not killing his team salary cap and is a bargain. He is under valued . He took the team route .


If Falcons were to trade for Bridgewater or Johnny Football it would expand the window next 5 years. Falcons only have this season and next season to be a Super Bowl team before they start the whole retooling process and wait to see what Julio Jones contract will turn out


Bridgewater + Julio =17 in cap hits
Ryan + Julio = 28 million in cap hits

That 11 million could be used elsewhere on team .



Now if Ryan leads Falcons to a Super Bowl. He is going to be overpaid like Flacco was overpaid. I have no problem with Ryan on team if he went the Tom Brady route and took less. so we can build a team around him


To answer when time comes around to see if Bridgewater or Johnny Footall get paid you have hoped to have win a championship in that 5 year window and if you are forced to pay them least you are paying a QB that has won a Super Bowl instead of a QB that has only 1 playoff win.


FYI, Brady takes those deals because he has a billionaire wife and millions in endorsements. If he didn't have those, no doubt he would be taking Flacco money. You just aren't getting that that's the price of a franchise quarterback. Just because one guy took less, doesn't mean they all will. Ryan, Rodgers, flacco will all get this money. Hell, even Tony Romo, who I think is awful, is going to get 17/year.

Even if we listened to your lunatic advice, Bridgewater is going to go the same thing. So should we have an endless cycle of QB after QB? When you have a good one, you keep it. PERIOD. Give them what ever they want. A team like the Jets, Bills, Raiders, or Eagles would kill for Ryan and give him whatever he wanted.

More importantly, what if Bridgewater busts? Then you've set this franchise back years and some team that just traded for one of the best QBs in the league is on top.
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BeeperKing wrote:
Swift924 wrote:
BeeperKing wrote:
Swift924 wrote:
or Bridgewater or Johnny Football instead of paying Ryan 20 mil per season

Trade Ryan *only if* he doesnt lead Falcons to Super Bowl with loaded team
and his agent wants 20 mil per season. If Ryan wants to be on Falcons and he doesnt win a ring I would be cool with Ryan taking a Brady type deal out where he can help the team. Ryan get paid 13 mil per season. cool with Ryan at QB


No matter how crazy that statement is, lets pretend for a second that that happens. If Bridgewater, Manziel or anyone else turns out even close to the level that Ryan is on, they will command a big contract too. If you have a good QB, there's no way around paying him.



Its about expanding your windows. Look at New England . Why are Pats successful? Good coaching and Brady. Brady also helps Pats cause he is not killing his team salary cap and is a bargain. He is under valued . He took the team route .


If Falcons were to trade for Bridgewater or Johnny Football it would expand the window next 5 years. Falcons only have this season and next season to be a Super Bowl team before they start the whole retooling process and wait to see what Julio Jones contract will turn out


Bridgewater + Julio =17 in cap hits
Ryan + Julio = 28 million in cap hits

That 11 million could be used elsewhere on team .



Now if Ryan leads Falcons to a Super Bowl. He is going to be overpaid like Flacco was overpaid. I have no problem with Ryan on team if he went the Tom Brady route and took less. so we can build a team around him


To answer when time comes around to see if Bridgewater or Johnny Footall get paid you have hoped to have win a championship in that 5 year window and if you are forced to pay them least you are paying a QB that has won a Super Bowl instead of a QB that has only 1 playoff win.


FYI, Brady takes those deals because he has a billionaire wife and millions in endorsements. If he didn't have those, no doubt he would be taking Flacco money. You just aren't getting that that's the price of a franchise quarterback. Just because one guy took less, doesn't mean they all will. Ryan, Rodgers, flacco will all get this money. Hell, even Tony Romo, who I think is awful, is going to get 17/year.

Even if we listened to your lunatic advice, Bridgewater is going to go the same thing. So should we have an endless cycle of QB after QB? When you have a good one, you keep it. PERIOD. Give them what ever they want. A team like the Jets, Bills, Raiders, or Eagles would kill for Ryan and give him whatever he wanted.

More importantly, what if Bridgewater busts? Then you've set this franchise back years and some team that just traded for one of the best QBs in the league is on top.



Your post becomes kind of invalid when you say Tony Romo is a horrible QB. Tony Romo was a undrafted free agent at QB how many of those make a name for self in NFL. Romo also has 1 playoff win and stats same as Ryan over past 2 seasons. Is Ryan a horrible QB in your opinion ?



Your hypothetical question of what if Bridgewater is a bust is just a hypothetical and taking the negative aspect. I can easily flip and say what happens when you pay Matt Ryan his large contract and turns into a Phillip Rivers situation ? quite possible that can happen . Is Rivers no longer a franchise QB in your opinion ?
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Swift924 wrote:
BeeperKing wrote:
Swift924 wrote:
BeeperKing wrote:
Swift924 wrote:
or Bridgewater or Johnny Football instead of paying Ryan 20 mil per season

Trade Ryan *only if* he doesnt lead Falcons to Super Bowl with loaded team
and his agent wants 20 mil per season. If Ryan wants to be on Falcons and he doesnt win a ring I would be cool with Ryan taking a Brady type deal out where he can help the team. Ryan get paid 13 mil per season. cool with Ryan at QB


No matter how crazy that statement is, lets pretend for a second that that happens. If Bridgewater, Manziel or anyone else turns out even close to the level that Ryan is on, they will command a big contract too. If you have a good QB, there's no way around paying him.





Its about expanding your windows. Look at New England . Why are Pats successful? Good coaching and Brady. Brady also helps Pats cause he is not killing his team salary cap and is a bargain. He is under valued . He took the
If Falcons were to trade for Bridgewater or Johnny Football it would expand the window next 5 years. Falcons only have this season and next season to be a Super Bowl team before they start the whole retooling process and wait to see what Julio Jones contract will turn out


Bridgewater + Julio =17 in cap hits
Ryan + Julio = 28 million in cap hits

That 11 million could be used elsewhere on team .



Now if Ryan leads Falcons to a Super Bowl. He is going to be overpaid like Flacco was overpaid. I have no problem with Ryan on team if he went the Tom Brady route and took less. so we can build a team around him


To answer when time comes around to see if Bridgewater or Johnny Footall get paid you have hoped to have win a championship in that 5 year window and if you are forced to pay them least you are paying a QB that has won a Super Bowl instead of a QB that has only 1 playoff win.


FYI, Brady takes those deals because he has a billionaire wife and millions in endorsements. If he didn't have those, no doubt he would be taking Flacco money. You just aren't getting that that's the price of a franchise quarterback. Just because one guy took less, doesn't mean they all will. Ryan, Rodgers, flacco will all get this money. Hell, even Tony Romo, who I think is awful, is going to get 17/year.

Even if we listened to your lunatic advice, Bridgewater is going to go the same thing. So should we have an endless cycle of QB after QB? When you have a good one, you keep it. PERIOD. Give them what ever they want. A team like the Jets, Bills, Raiders, or Eagles would kill for Ryan and give him whatever he wanted.

More importantly, what if Bridgewater busts? Then you've set this franchise back years and some team that just traded for one of the best QBs in the league is on top.



Your post becomes kind of invalid when you say Tony Romo is a horrible QB. Tony Romo was a undrafted free agent at QB how many of those make a name for self in NFL. Romo also has 1 playoff win and stats same as Ryan over past 2 seasons. Is Ryan a horrible QB in your opinion ?



Your hypothetical question of what if Bridgewater is a bust is just a hypothetical and taking the negative aspect. I can easily flip and say what happens when you pay Matt Ryan his large contract and turns into a Phillip Rivers situation ? quite possible that can happen . Is Rivers no longer a franchise QB in your opinion ?


Don't give yourself an out by making this into a Romo debate. But, we aren't reading the same stats of you think that Romo and Ryan put up the same stats.

The Rivers situation is an interesting one. The problem isn't with him, the Chargers drafted horribly over the past few years and gave him no help or protection. Rivers would be fine if he had a competent offensive line, coach, and wide receivers. Or in other words, in Atlanta.

I still want to hear if you think that we should change QBs every five years.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 1:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BeeperKing wrote:
Swift924 wrote:
BeeperKing wrote:
Swift924 wrote:
BeeperKing wrote:
Swift924 wrote:
or Bridgewater or Johnny Football instead of paying Ryan 20 mil per season

Trade Ryan *only if* he doesnt lead Falcons to Super Bowl with loaded team
and his agent wants 20 mil per season. If Ryan wants to be on Falcons and he doesnt win a ring I would be cool with Ryan taking a Brady type deal out where he can help the team. Ryan get paid 13 mil per season. cool with Ryan at QB


No matter how crazy that statement is, lets pretend for a second that that happens. If Bridgewater, Manziel or anyone else turns out even close to the level that Ryan is on, they will command a big contract too. If you have a good QB, there's no way around paying him.





Its about expanding your windows. Look at New England . Why are Pats successful? Good coaching and Brady. Brady also helps Pats cause he is not killing his team salary cap and is a bargain. He is under valued . He took the
If Falcons were to trade for Bridgewater or Johnny Football it would expand the window next 5 years. Falcons only have this season and next season to be a Super Bowl team before they start the whole retooling process and wait to see what Julio Jones contract will turn out


Bridgewater + Julio =17 in cap hits
Ryan + Julio = 28 million in cap hits

That 11 million could be used elsewhere on team .



Now if Ryan leads Falcons to a Super Bowl. He is going to be overpaid like Flacco was overpaid. I have no problem with Ryan on team if he went the Tom Brady route and took less. so we can build a team around him


To answer when time comes around to see if Bridgewater or Johnny Footall get paid you have hoped to have win a championship in that 5 year window and if you are forced to pay them least you are paying a QB that has won a Super Bowl instead of a QB that has only 1 playoff win.


FYI, Brady takes those deals because he has a billionaire wife and millions in endorsements. If he didn't have those, no doubt he would be taking Flacco money. You just aren't getting that that's the price of a franchise quarterback. Just because one guy took less, doesn't mean they all will. Ryan, Rodgers, flacco will all get this money. Hell, even Tony Romo, who I think is awful, is going to get 17/year.

Even if we listened to your lunatic advice, Bridgewater is going to go the same thing. So should we have an endless cycle of QB after QB? When you have a good one, you keep it. PERIOD. Give them what ever they want. A team like the Jets, Bills, Raiders, or Eagles would kill for Ryan and give him whatever he wanted.

More importantly, what if Bridgewater busts? Then you've set this franchise back years and some team that just traded for one of the best QBs in the league is on top.



Your post becomes kind of invalid when you say Tony Romo is a horrible QB. Tony Romo was a undrafted free agent at QB how many of those make a name for self in NFL. Romo also has 1 playoff win and stats same as Ryan over past 2 seasons. Is Ryan a horrible QB in your opinion ?



Your hypothetical question of what if Bridgewater is a bust is just a hypothetical and taking the negative aspect. I can easily flip and say what happens when you pay Matt Ryan his large contract and turns into a Phillip Rivers situation ? quite possible that can happen . Is Rivers no longer a franchise QB in your opinion ?


Don't give yourself an out by making this into a Romo debate. But, we aren't reading the same stats of you think that Romo and Ryan put up the same stats.

The Rivers situation is an interesting one. The problem isn't with him, the Chargers drafted horribly over the past few years and gave him no help or protection. Rivers would be fine if he had a competent offensive line, coach, and wide receivers. Or in other words, in Atlanta.

I still want to hear if you think that we should change QBs every five years.


Past two seasons

Ryan TDS-61 tds
Romo Tds-59 tds

Ryan passing yards -8,896
Romo passing yards -9,087


Ryan ints-26
Romo ints -29


Ryan pass attempts-1181
Romo pass attempts-1170




you might want to rethink ROMO HORRIBLE comments again
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as for 2nd part. I only change QB every 5 years if current QB at times overvalues himself. If Ryan thinks he is a elite QB in which he is not 1 playoff win and never finishing top 3 in any major passing stat such as yards, td or QB rating . he is overvaluing himself

If Ryan wants 14 mil per average I would happy with Ryan on team
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Swift924 wrote:
BeeperKing wrote:
Swift924 wrote:
BeeperKing wrote:
Swift924 wrote:
BeeperKing wrote:
Swift924 wrote:
or Bridgewater or Johnny Football instead of paying Ryan 20 mil per season

Trade Ryan *only if* he doesnt lead Falcons to Super Bowl with loaded team
and his agent wants 20 mil per season. If Ryan wants to be on Falcons and he doesnt win a ring I would be cool with Ryan taking a Brady type deal out where he can help the team. Ryan get paid 13 mil per season. cool with Ryan at QB


No matter how crazy that statement is, lets pretend for a second that that happens. If Bridgewater, Manziel or anyone else turns out even close to the level that Ryan is on, they will command a big contract too. If you have a good QB, there's no way around paying him.





Its about expanding your windows. Look at New England . Why are Pats successful? Good coaching and Brady. Brady also helps Pats cause he is not killing his team salary cap and is a bargain. He is under valued . He took the
If Falcons were to trade for Bridgewater or Johnny Football it would expand the window next 5 years. Falcons only have this season and next season to be a Super Bowl team before they start the whole retooling process and wait to see what Julio Jones contract will turn out


Bridgewater + Julio =17 in cap hits
Ryan + Julio = 28 million in cap hits

That 11 million could be used elsewhere on team .



Now if Ryan leads Falcons to a Super Bowl. He is going to be overpaid like Flacco was overpaid. I have no problem with Ryan on team if he went the Tom Brady route and took less. so we can build a team around him


To answer when time comes around to see if Bridgewater or Johnny Footall get paid you have hoped to have win a championship in that 5 year window and if you are forced to pay them least you are paying a QB that has won a Super Bowl instead of a QB that has only 1 playoff win.


FYI, Brady takes those deals because he has a billionaire wife and millions in endorsements. If he didn't have those, no doubt he would be taking Flacco money. You just aren't getting that that's the price of a franchise quarterback. Just because one guy took less, doesn't mean they all will. Ryan, Rodgers, flacco will all get this money. Hell, even Tony Romo, who I think is awful, is going to get 17/year.

Even if we listened to your lunatic advice, Bridgewater is going to go the same thing. So should we have an endless cycle of QB after QB? When you have a good one, you keep it. PERIOD. Give them what ever they want. A team like the Jets, Bills, Raiders, or Eagles would kill for Ryan and give him whatever he wanted.

More importantly, what if Bridgewater busts? Then you've set this franchise back years and some team that just traded for one of the best QBs in the league is on top.



Your post becomes kind of invalid when you say Tony Romo is a horrible QB. Tony Romo was a undrafted free agent at QB how many of those make a name for self in NFL. Romo also has 1 playoff win and stats same as Ryan over past 2 seasons. Is Ryan a horrible QB in your opinion ?



Your hypothetical question of what if Bridgewater is a bust is just a hypothetical and taking the negative aspect. I can easily flip and say what happens when you pay Matt Ryan his large contract and turns into a Phillip Rivers situation ? quite possible that can happen . Is Rivers no longer a franchise QB in your opinion ?


Don't give yourself an out by making this into a Romo debate. But, we aren't reading the same stats of you think that Romo and Ryan put up the same stats.

The Rivers situation is an interesting one. The problem isn't with him, the Chargers drafted horribly over the past few years and gave him no help or protection. Rivers would be fine if he had a competent offensive line, coach, and wide receivers. Or in other words, in Atlanta.

I still want to hear if you think that we should change QBs every five years.


Past two seasons

Ryan TDS-61 tds
Romo Tds-59 tds

Ryan passing yards -8,896
Romo passing yards -9,087


Ryan ints-26
Romo ints -29


Ryan pass attempts-1181
Romo pass attempts-1170




you might want to rethink ROMO HORRIBLE comments again
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What's Ryan's and Romo's Win Loss record over the past 2 years though?
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tech2186 wrote:
Swift924 wrote:
BeeperKing wrote:
Swift924 wrote:
BeeperKing wrote:
Swift924 wrote:
BeeperKing wrote:
Swift924 wrote:
or Bridgewater or Johnny Football instead of paying Ryan 20 mil per season

Trade Ryan *only if* he doesnt lead Falcons to Super Bowl with loaded team
and his agent wants 20 mil per season. If Ryan wants to be on Falcons and he doesnt win a ring I would be cool with Ryan taking a Brady type deal out where he can help the team. Ryan get paid 13 mil per season. cool with Ryan at QB


No matter how crazy that statement is, lets pretend for a second that that happens. If Bridgewater, Manziel or anyone else turns out even close to the level that Ryan is on, they will command a big contract too. If you have a good QB, there's no way around paying him.





Its about expanding your windows. Look at New England . Why are Pats successful? Good coaching and Brady. Brady also helps Pats cause he is not killing his team salary cap and is a bargain. He is under valued . He took the
If Falcons were to trade for Bridgewater or Johnny Football it would expand the window next 5 years. Falcons only have this season and next season to be a Super Bowl team before they start the whole retooling process and wait to see what Julio Jones contract will turn out


Bridgewater + Julio =17 in cap hits
Ryan + Julio = 28 million in cap hits

That 11 million could be used elsewhere on team .



Now if Ryan leads Falcons to a Super Bowl. He is going to be overpaid like Flacco was overpaid. I have no problem with Ryan on team if he went the Tom Brady route and took less. so we can build a team around him


To answer when time comes around to see if Bridgewater or Johnny Footall get paid you have hoped to have win a championship in that 5 year window and if you are forced to pay them least you are paying a QB that has won a Super Bowl instead of a QB that has only 1 playoff win.


FYI, Brady takes those deals because he has a billionaire wife and millions in endorsements. If he didn't have those, no doubt he would be taking Flacco money. You just aren't getting that that's the price of a franchise quarterback. Just because one guy took less, doesn't mean they all will. Ryan, Rodgers, flacco will all get this money. Hell, even Tony Romo, who I think is awful, is going to get 17/year.

Even if we listened to your lunatic advice, Bridgewater is going to go the same thing. So should we have an endless cycle of QB after QB? When you have a good one, you keep it. PERIOD. Give them what ever they want. A team like the Jets, Bills, Raiders, or Eagles would kill for Ryan and give him whatever he wanted.

More importantly, what if Bridgewater busts? Then you've set this franchise back years and some team that just traded for one of the best QBs in the league is on top.



Your post becomes kind of invalid when you say Tony Romo is a horrible QB. Tony Romo was a undrafted free agent at QB how many of those make a name for self in NFL. Romo also has 1 playoff win and stats same as Ryan over past 2 seasons. Is Ryan a horrible QB in your opinion ?



Your hypothetical question of what if Bridgewater is a bust is just a hypothetical and taking the negative aspect. I can easily flip and say what happens when you pay Matt Ryan his large contract and turns into a Phillip Rivers situation ? quite possible that can happen . Is Rivers no longer a franchise QB in your opinion ?


Don't give yourself an out by making this into a Romo debate. But, we aren't reading the same stats of you think that Romo and Ryan put up the same stats.

The Rivers situation is an interesting one. The problem isn't with him, the Chargers drafted horribly over the past few years and gave him no help or protection. Rivers would be fine if he had a competent offensive line, coach, and wide receivers. Or in other words, in Atlanta.

I still want to hear if you think that we should change QBs every five years.


Past two seasons

Ryan TDS-61 tds
Romo Tds-59 tds

Ryan passing yards -8,896
Romo passing yards -9,087


Ryan ints-26
Romo ints -29


Ryan pass attempts-1181
Romo pass attempts-1170




you might want to rethink ROMO HORRIBLE comments again
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What's Ryan's and Romo's Win Loss record over the past 2 years though?



win loss records are not QB stats ..those are what we call TEAM stats since NFL is a team game
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as for 2nd part. I only change QB every 5 years if current QB at times overvalues himself. If Ryan thinks he is a elite QB in which he is not 1 playoff win and never finishing top 3 in any major passing stat such as yards, td or QB rating . he is overvaluing himself

If Ryan wants 14 mil per average I would happy with Ryan on team


Whoa fellas, he's an NFL GM already. Why even argue with him?

But yea, when you proposed that we should start trade Ryan and start Dominique Freaking Davis, if there was any chance I took you even slightly serious before, that is now gone. Nothing of that you said here in this thread is a good idea. Or you're just trolling. Therefore congrats, you can be annoying on the interwebz. You're very unique. Now stop begging for attention with blasphemous ideas and actually put some rational thought into helping the forum. Thanks.
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Lentz33 wrote:
Swift924 wrote:
as for 2nd part. I only change QB every 5 years if current QB at times overvalues himself. If Ryan thinks he is a elite QB in which he is not 1 playoff win and never finishing top 3 in any major passing stat such as yards, td or QB rating . he is overvaluing himself

If Ryan wants 14 mil per average I would happy with Ryan on team


Whoa fellas, he's an NFL GM already. Why even argue with him?

But yea, when you proposed that we should start trade Ryan and start Dominique Freaking Davis, if there was any chance I took you even slightly serious before, that is now gone. Nothing of that you said here in this thread is a good idea. Or you're just trolling. Therefore congrats, you can be annoying on the interwebz. You're very unique. Now stop begging for attention with blasphemous ideas and actually put some rational thought into helping the forum. Thanks.



Yup, I'm out. I'll let him concentrate on his other battle on NFL Gen.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 1:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Swift924 wrote:
tech2186 wrote:
Swift924 wrote:
BeeperKing wrote:
Swift924 wrote:
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or Bridgewater or Johnny Football instead of paying Ryan 20 mil per season

Trade Ryan *only if* he doesnt lead Falcons to Super Bowl with loaded team
and his agent wants 20 mil per season. If Ryan wants to be on Falcons and he doesnt win a ring I would be cool with Ryan taking a Brady type deal out where he can help the team. Ryan get paid 13 mil per season. cool with Ryan at QB


No matter how crazy that statement is, lets pretend for a second that that happens. If Bridgewater, Manziel or anyone else turns out even close to the level that Ryan is on, they will command a big contract too. If you have a good QB, there's no way around paying him.





Its about expanding your windows. Look at New England . Why are Pats successful? Good coaching and Brady. Brady also helps Pats cause he is not killing his team salary cap and is a bargain. He is under valued . He took the
If Falcons were to trade for Bridgewater or Johnny Football it would expand the window next 5 years. Falcons only have this season and next season to be a Super Bowl team before they start the whole retooling process and wait to see what Julio Jones contract will turn out


Bridgewater + Julio =17 in cap hits
Ryan + Julio = 28 million in cap hits

That 11 million could be used elsewhere on team .



Now if Ryan leads Falcons to a Super Bowl. He is going to be overpaid like Flacco was overpaid. I have no problem with Ryan on team if he went the Tom Brady route and took less. so we can build a team around him


To answer when time comes around to see if Bridgewater or Johnny Footall get paid you have hoped to have win a championship in that 5 year window and if you are forced to pay them least you are paying a QB that has won a Super Bowl instead of a QB that has only 1 playoff win.


FYI, Brady takes those deals because he has a billionaire wife and millions in endorsements. If he didn't have those, no doubt he would be taking Flacco money. You just aren't getting that that's the price of a franchise quarterback. Just because one guy took less, doesn't mean they all will. Ryan, Rodgers, flacco will all get this money. Hell, even Tony Romo, who I think is awful, is going to get 17/year.

Even if we listened to your lunatic advice, Bridgewater is going to go the same thing. So should we have an endless cycle of QB after QB? When you have a good one, you keep it. PERIOD. Give them what ever they want. A team like the Jets, Bills, Raiders, or Eagles would kill for Ryan and give him whatever he wanted.

More importantly, what if Bridgewater busts? Then you've set this franchise back years and some team that just traded for one of the best QBs in the league is on top.



Your post becomes kind of invalid when you say Tony Romo is a horrible QB. Tony Romo was a undrafted free agent at QB how many of those make a name for self in NFL. Romo also has 1 playoff win and stats same as Ryan over past 2 seasons. Is Ryan a horrible QB in your opinion ?



Your hypothetical question of what if Bridgewater is a bust is just a hypothetical and taking the negative aspect. I can easily flip and say what happens when you pay Matt Ryan his large contract and turns into a Phillip Rivers situation ? quite possible that can happen . Is Rivers no longer a franchise QB in your opinion ?


Don't give yourself an out by making this into a Romo debate. But, we aren't reading the same stats of you think that Romo and Ryan put up the same stats.

The Rivers situation is an interesting one. The problem isn't with him, the Chargers drafted horribly over the past few years and gave him no help or protection. Rivers would be fine if he had a competent offensive line, coach, and wide receivers. Or in other words, in Atlanta.

I still want to hear if you think that we should change QBs every five years.


Past two seasons

Ryan TDS-61 tds
Romo Tds-59 tds

Ryan passing yards -8,896
Romo passing yards -9,087


Ryan ints-26
Romo ints -29


Ryan pass attempts-1181
Romo pass attempts-1170




you might want to rethink ROMO HORRIBLE comments again
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What's Ryan's and Romo's Win Loss record over the past 2 years though?



win loss records are not QB stats ..those are what we call TEAM stats since NFL is a team game


HAHAHAHAHA, you've proven my point. QB's get judged on Wins and Losses. It may not be right but that's how it is. They are the leaders at the helm and the team. Romo isn't a QB you would chose to win a game over Matt Ryan. And that intangible makes Ryan the better QB. Stats alone never tell the true story.
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