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Canton


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 23, 2013 7:03 am    Post subject: Most versatile receiving corp in a while? Reply with quote

I know some may be thinking about loosing Wes Welker and the sky is falling but remember Givens, Branch, Patten and Brown? We've won with them and they are not as talented as Amendola, Jones, Edelman and Sanders IMO. I mean, if you look at it when Danny Amendola is healthy and before he got hurt he was one of the talks of the NFL because of his production and playmaking ability. He has tough hands, doesn't drop passes and can play the slot like fiddle IN ADDITION to getting deep downfield. People seem to forget that, and his injury history is sooo overblown that it's not even funny. So with that being said I'm pretty excited. And I like Brandon Lloyd being cut because he underachieved a little too much. Teams didn't fear him and took him away as skilled as he thought he was. I don't think Donald Jones will underachieve though, as he didn't really have a chance to produce great in Bufallo because of lack of quarterbacking and offense. And even with that, he still showed playmaking ability and is also young. Young energy, young juice and a nice ability to play both inside and out, and even in the backfield. He is also not afraid to go over the middle, something we've been lacking since Givens and a young Branch. He brings alot to the table and I'm excited for this too. Now we just have to see if Julian Edelman will resign or if Emmanuel Sanders will. Personally, I know within my heart that Sanders will sign and that will really certify things because yes, he has been hurt before but he can also make plays and has that down field speed. Like the other two mentioned before, he too can play both inside and out and do many different things. And I like the way he can elude tacklers after the catch. People seem to underestimate him, and will be a big loss for the Steelers. The last time we had receivers that could move around and do different things like this group was the 03-04 group, and they weren't even as talented as what we have now. And you add that with those two dynamic TE's and some are worried about the offense? Thats insane... not only that but we add the return/third down specialist Leon Washington who is ONLY 30 and still dynamic, just ask Pete Carroll. Good veteran presence that gives that "it" threat at kick and punt return that Woodhead and McCourty didn't have. Its also an additional threat to Edelman, if Edelman resigns.. Can you imagine that?

- Wes - Amendola has caught some game winning catches
- Woodhead - lacks Washington's return greatness and speed
- Lloyd - lacks Jones and Sander's explosiveness and versatility

+ Amendola - Slot, outside, tougher hands, surer hands, injury overestimated
+ Donald - Slot, outside, solid speed, ability to go over the middle and young, undervalued
+ Sanders - Slot, outside, downfield speed, and great YAC ability
+ Washington - Return legend, elusive runningback, pass catcher.
+ Edelman will probably resign - beast when healthy
@ Stevan Ridley - rising star
@ Brandon Bolden - very good compliment to Ridley
@ Vereen - pass catching force at runningback and very instinctive runner

Some may think this post is questionable but think about it people. Think about underestimating the value of signings and how much we've done with less in the past and how much talent we still have. MORE weapons as opposed to the old - take away Welker, limit Gronk and Hernandez and you win. Not with this group. And lets not forget that people weren't even worried about Brandon Lloyd. Now you have a variety of options, just a matter of developing Chemistry and timing.
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mcmurtry86


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 23, 2013 1:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Edelman and Sanders aren't signed, so.............
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 23, 2013 5:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mcmurtry86 wrote:
Edelman and Sanders aren't signed, so.............


This comment made this entire thing irrelevant lol
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 23, 2013 5:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

He knows in his heart that they're going to sign though, so there is a reason to believe they will. Just sayin'..
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 23, 2013 5:49 pm    Post subject: Re: Most versatile receiving corp in a while? Reply with quote

Canton wrote:
I know some may be thinking about loosing Wes Welker and the sky is falling but remember Givens, Branch, Patten and Brown? We've won with them and they are not as talented as Amendola, Jones, Edelman and Sanders IMO.


The teams that won with those mediocre (2003, 2004) to bad (2001) receiving corps had very good to elite secondaries with excellent pass rushers. The 2013 Pats have a mediocre - at best - secondary and mediocre - at best - pass rush as of now. Unless/until the personnel on the 2013 Patriots defense is close to the 2003/2004 defensive personnel, the WR corps will have to be better.

I'll also point out that the coaching was better in 2001-2004 and the league environment was more favorable to the Patriots. I'm not sure the 2001 or 2003 Patriots could win a Super Bowl in this current era. The 2004 team might - I'd say they were one of the 5 best teams of the last 15 years (and there's a strong argument to be had that they're #1 in that time frame).

None of this is to suggest the 2013 Patriots can't/won[t win the Super Bowl, but the "we've won with less" argument is really outdated and not very useful IMO. These are different times and the Pats overall strategy seems to be a bit different (more offense based).
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 23, 2013 6:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Amendola seems to be a very versatile receiver, actually. I've still seen quite little, but he seems like a unique Welker-deep threat hybrid.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 23, 2013 6:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NextBigThing wrote:
Amendola seems to be a very versatile receiver, actually. I've still seen quite little, but he seems like a unique Welker-deep threat hybrid.

I'd say his style is more Troy Brown than Welker.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 23, 2013 6:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Donut wrote:
NextBigThing wrote:
Amendola seems to be a very versatile receiver, actually. I've still seen quite little, but he seems like a unique Welker-deep threat hybrid.

I'd say his style is more Troy Brown than Welker.


It was in St. Louis. How the Pats use him remains to be seen. I think it will depend a lot on who the other WR's are.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 23, 2013 6:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

^Which speaks to his versatility. I think we add at least two more receivers who will contribute. Amendola will be a.starter regardless.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 23, 2013 6:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NextBigThing wrote:
^Which speaks to his versatility. I think we add at least two more receivers who will contribute. Amendola will be a.starter regardless.


Well, they have to add at least 2 receivers. Probably 3 or 4 halfway decent options just to get through camp.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 23, 2013 7:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think Washington will be used mainly in the return game. Vereen will be the third down pass catching back. IF Sanders signs (which I'm not really sure I want) and Edleman comes back I guess the Pat's WR will be versatile but I'm still not sure how good.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 24, 2013 9:59 am    Post subject: Re: Most versatile receiving corp in a while? Reply with quote

mcmurtry86 wrote:
Canton wrote:
I know some may be thinking about loosing Wes Welker and the sky is falling but remember Givens, Branch, Patten and Brown? We've won with them and they are not as talented as Amendola, Jones, Edelman and Sanders IMO.


The teams that won with those mediocre (2003, 2004) to bad (2001) receiving corps had very good to elite secondaries with excellent pass rushers. The 2013 Pats have a mediocre - at best - secondary and mediocre - at best - pass rush as of now. Unless/until the personnel on the 2013 Patriots defense is close to the 2003/2004 defensive personnel, the WR corps will have to be better.

I'll also point out that the coaching was better in 2001-2004 and the league environment was more favorable to the Patriots. I'm not sure the 2001 or 2003 Patriots could win a Super Bowl in this current era. The 2004 team might - I'd say they were one of the 5 best teams of the last 15 years (and there's a strong argument to be had that they're #1 in that time frame).

None of this is to suggest the 2013 Patriots can't/won[t win the Super Bowl, but the "we've won with less" argument is really outdated and not very useful IMO. These are different times and the Pats overall strategy seems to be a bit different (more offense based).


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[b] I'm not sure the 2001 or 2003 Patriots could win a Super Bowl in this current era.


You might not be sure but I am. Here's my reasons why . I see those teams like todays 49ers with a much better secondary. I also see our WR group with Branch and Brown better than any thing the 49ers have on the field. I use the 49ers because they are like the teams we had. Defense and running game however IMO our defense was much better.

PS P Manning (Colts) would have destroy the 49ers. When our SB teams kick his ---!!!! I believe this because Flacco kicked SF butt and Flacco is no PM !
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