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PostPosted: Thu Mar 21, 2013 9:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sammymvpknight wrote:
Considering that we don't have a SOLB on the roster currently...I would have to think that he would become our best SOLB by default if signed. Not to say that the Saints won't pick someone else up or draft someone. AFterall, you do need more than two OLBs on your roster.

I definitely don't envision Victor Butler as a SOLB. He's wayyyyy too small.
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Oh he certainly coul start, only because we have zero proven OLBs, but he'd be nothing more than slightly above average. He's an undersized pass rusher, nothing more. Nnamdi is most certainly a higher impact signing.


I see Nnamdi helping if he's signed but I don't see him becoming who he was with the Raiders. That seems to be the thought process around here. Some feel that Nnamdi simply rejoining Ryans defense that he'll be what he was in Oakland. Were talking about a 10 year veteran corner that has lost alot of speed and confidence.

A help and solid addition, sure but on the Bust factor Nnamdi far outweighs Butler. At least butler gives us a young pass rushing specialist and depth at a need position and a value price at the worse. Nnamdi will likely come in with alot of pressure on his shoulders to be who he was in Oakland (just look at what u just said, Pro Bowl) and do it all with maybe the worst set of safeties in the NFL!

I think the guy is going to San Fran... Nnamdi would be a decent player but would never live up to the expectations at his age of what alot of saints fans think they would be getting.

He's better at this stage of his career as just a guy in San Fran than the guy in New Orleans.

Nnamdi hasn't lost nearly as much speed as you're making it seem, the issue wasn't athleticism in Philli. Anyone who actually watched him could tell he was just lost in a zone system, but him back in a press man, or the defense he went to numerous all pros in and he's right back to being at the LEAST a #1 CB. Also, why is Victor Butler being considered a young pass rush specialist? I'm sorry but if our "specialist" is going to offer us 3-5 sacks a year, with mediocre coverage abilities, I'll pass. I think you're under selling Nnamdi and WAY over rating Victor Butler. He'd be a nice depth guy, but he's nothing more than that. A nice depth guy. Nnamdi, at worst, is our #2 CB with the potential to be a TOP CB in the NFL. Victor Butlers potential is 6 sacks, unless he has some ungodly type of progression this off-season.
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Harper41 wrote:
sammymvpknight wrote:
Considering that we don't have a SOLB on the roster currently...I would have to think that he would become our best SOLB by default if signed. Not to say that the Saints won't pick someone else up or draft someone. AFterall, you do need more than two OLBs on your roster.

I definitely don't envision Victor Butler as a SOLB. He's wayyyyy too small.


He backed up both OLB spots for Dallas. I honestly think that he probably be best in that role...but the Saints only have so much cap space for a ton of needs...so I could he him forced into that starting role. I think he would be better at it than Wilson.
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sammymvpknight wrote:
Harper41 wrote:
sammymvpknight wrote:
Considering that we don't have a SOLB on the roster currently...I would have to think that he would become our best SOLB by default if signed. Not to say that the Saints won't pick someone else up or draft someone. AFterall, you do need more than two OLBs on your roster.

I definitely don't envision Victor Butler as a SOLB. He's wayyyyy too small.


He backed up both OLB spots for Dallas. I honestly think that he probably be best in that role...but the Saints only have so much cap space for a ton of needs...so I could he him forced into that starting role. I think he would be better at it than Wilson.

Forcing guys into starting roles is not going to make this team any better. Butler is an average player, him and Galette would probably be the worst OLB duo in the league.
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whodatworm23 wrote:
Harper41 wrote:
Oh he certainly coul start, only because we have zero proven OLBs, but he'd be nothing more than slightly above average. He's an undersized pass rusher, nothing more. Nnamdi is most certainly a higher impact signing.


I see Nnamdi helping if he's signed but I don't see him becoming who he was with the Raiders. That seems to be the thought process around here. Some feel that Nnamdi simply rejoining Ryans defense that he'll be what he was in Oakland. Were talking about a 10 year veteran corner that has lost alot of speed and confidence.

A help and solid addition, sure but on the Bust factor Nnamdi far outweighs Butler. At least butler gives us a young pass rushing specialist and depth at a need position and a value price at the worse. Nnamdi will likely come in with alot of pressure on his shoulders to be who he was in Oakland (just look at what u just said, Pro Bowl) and do it all with maybe the worst set of safeties in the NFL!

I think the guy is going to San Fran... Nnamdi would be a decent player but would never live up to the expectations at his age of what alot of saints fans think they would be getting.

He's better at this stage of his career as just a guy in San Fran than the guy in New Orleans.

Nnamdi hasn't lost nearly as much speed as you're making it seem, the issue wasn't athleticism in Philli. Anyone who actually watched him could tell he was just lost in a zone system, but him back in a press man, or the defense he went to numerous all pros in and he's right back to being at the LEAST a #1 CB. Also, why is Victor Butler being considered a young pass rush specialist? I'm sorry but if our "specialist" is going to offer us 3-5 sacks a year, with mediocre coverage abilities, I'll pass. I think you're under selling Nnamdi and WAY over rating Victor Butler. He'd be a nice depth guy, but he's nothing more than that. A nice depth guy. Nnamdi, at worst, is our #2 CB with the potential to be a TOP CB in the NFL. Victor Butlers potential is 6 sacks, unless he has some ungodly type of progression this off-season.


+1. Though I don't think Scrabble is going to be the top CB again. He had his time. Cool
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 21, 2013 10:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I said a top CB, I could see him regaining top 10 form under Ryan. I definitely don't think he would be able to challenge for a top 3 spot again, but borderline top 10? Absolutely.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 21, 2013 10:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We disagree here there Harp...


Your talking about Butlers 3 sacks in 2012 like if he had tons of playing time. Like Galette who played less than 25% of our defensive snaps, Butler as well played very sparingly behind Ware and Spencer but managed 3 sacks, 25 tackles and 2 forced fumbles.

Starter or not, Butler would be a valuable asset to the saints. butler is also a very good special teamer as well.

I'm not knocking Nnamdi, but no I don't think he will be a pro bowler again. Yes I do feel he can help us and give solid play... Especially on the bigger receivers in the division like Jackson and jones. I do value his addition for that purpose if it happens but it's pointless cause I think he goes to SF anyway.
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whodatworm23 wrote:
We disagree here there Harp...


Your talking about Butlers 3 sacks in 2012 like if he had tons of playing time. Like Galette who played less than 25% of our defensive snaps, Butler as well played very sparingly behind Ware and Spencer but managed 3 sacks, 25 tackles and 2 forced fumbles.

Starter or not, Butler would be a valuable asset to the saints. butler is also a very good special teamer as well.

I'm not knocking Nnamdi, but no I don't think he will be a pro bowler again. Yes I do feel he can help us and give solid play... Especially on the bigger receivers in the division like Jackson and jones. I do value his addition for that purpose if it happens but it's pointless cause I think he goes to SF anyway.

One thing I've certainly noticed with New Orleans is, if you visit, you tend not to leave. Victor Butler has never exceeded 3 sacks, I just feel that people have unrealistic expectations of what he's going to offer.

On the Nnamdi side, we shall agree to disagree. He's 31, and never relied on his speed, he's an excellent press man CB and uses his length and strength much more than his speed. I also think next years New Orleans team could be the best defense he's ever played on, but of course, I'm likely biased Wink
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I actually don't think were disagreeing much at all to tell ya the truth...

I see Butler as a quality reserve, Not a starter. I feel Galette and Wilson have more upside and I feel the Saints will look to add another at the position that is more dynamic but still in all I feel he's solid depth at a position of need.

As far as Nnamdi... I really like the dude, the only place where we disagree is our outlook on his diminishing skill set. Look Im not saying Nnamdi is heading to the old age home anytime soon, I just feel that he won't make quite the impact many of us feel he would. Having said that, yes there is no doubt that is he signs with the saints his impact will be felt. If I was him though I'd be real skeptical about playing with our safties... Rob Ryan or not!
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Hey Harp...

http://www.rotoworld.com/headlines/cfb/24164/nt-jenkins-could-interest-steelers-saints

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Georgia OLB Jarvis Jones met with the New Orleans Saints on March 20.

Jones revealed the information after his pro day, when he also noted that he plans to meet with three more teams in the near future. The three teams are the Kansas City Chiefs, Philadelphia Eagles and Detroit Lions. All four teams are going to be looking to adding more pass-rushers. Jones didn't work out as well as some hoped, but he has violent hands.


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NFL.com's Ian Rapoport reports the Pittsburgh Steelers and New Orleans Saints could have interest in Georgia NT John Jenkins.

Jenkins ran an impressive pair of 40 times at the school's pro day, clocking in at 5.20 and 5.23. He would be a great fit in the Saints' new 3-4 defense, as well as the Steelers' constant 3-4 scheme but they already have a quality nose tackle in Steve McLendon. Still, Jenkins will interest the Steelers because of his upside and rare talent.


What would you think about taking Jones at 15 then trading up from the 3rd round into the 2nd to get Jenkins?
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I could easily see JJ falling to us with his miserable 40 time, could be a blessing in disguise.
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Another guy no one is talking about Harp is Tank Carradine. He's going to have a personal workout for teams a week before the draft where he says he will do all the drills.

To be honest, before he tore his ACL in November I had him as my top overall pass rusher in the entire draft and to tell the truth I still do.

What if he blows the scouts away at that workout???

Were talking about a 6'4" 275lb superior athlete that can dip and twist his hips and turn the edge similar to D-Ware. In Ryans scheme he barely ask his OLB to drop in coverage and Carradine could very well have been a top 5 pick if not for that injury...

He is already still getting mid to late 1st round grades... if he owns the proday, do we consider him?
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whodatworm23 wrote:
Another guy no one is talking about Harp is Tank Carradine. He's going to have a personal workout for teams a week before the draft where he says he will do all the drills.

To be honest, before he tore his ACL in November I had him as my top overall pass rusher in the entire draft and to tell the truth I still do.

What if he blows the scouts away at that workout???

Were talking about a 6'4" 275lb superior athlete that can dip and twist his hips and turn the edge similar to D-Ware. In Ryans scheme he barely ask his OLB to drop in coverage and Carradine could very well have been a top 5 pick if not for that injury...

He is already still getting mid to late 1st round grades... if he owns the proday, do we consider him?


If he can play standing up then I'd love the pick. Was an animal rushing the passer with some pretty bad technique. Let Ryan teach him a thing or two, and he might become a perrenial pro bowler.
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