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Who do we select with the 13th pick, all prospects still possibly being available.
Jarvis Jones
26%
 26%  [ 6 ]
Star Lotulelei
21%
 21%  [ 5 ]
Xavier Rhodes
34%
 34%  [ 8 ]
Desmond Trufant (with a trade down)
17%
 17%  [ 4 ]
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Pvsports9


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 21, 2013 2:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DaRealdeal wrote:
BBando wrote:
I swear if we pass on Banks for Trufant I am going to be mad.

Agreed. Trufant's sky-high stock is the reason why I hate the Senior Bowl.

Trufant really isn't that special. His game is actually really similar to EJ Biggers...he has the speed and the moxie to run/fight with anyone, but when the ball is in the air, especially deep down the field, he's not going to make the play. He's not a first round talent, IMO.

With regards to this question I think that you can't go wrong with Jones or Star. Both hit key needs and both are quality people that will fit into the locker-room. I am partial to Jones because I think that he is the best player in the draft, but I would be damn happy with Star.


I don't see Jones as special at all...especially as a 4-3 OLB. Would much rather have Ogletree, Brown or Greene to fill that spot..they just make more sense from a personnel perspective and what they bring to the field athletically

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 21, 2013 2:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jones I believe is perfect in Schiano's system. You can use him like the Broncos use Miller.
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I think we end up trading our 1st and 2nd this year for Revis. Domininck really wants Revis. If that wasnt the case then we would have picked from the abundant amount of FA corners there are. Revis will be a Buc in 2013 and we will not have a first round pick. Is that really that bad? Chances are we take a CB in round 1 anyways. Why not trade for the best one in football? Not to crazy about giving up our 2nd but Domininck will get the player he wants one way or another.

Im gonna be beyond POed if we trade our 1st and 2nd this year. The Jets said they are cool with 2014 compensation. Give our 2nd this year and our 1st next year and a late round pick like 5th round or something this or next year. That is completely fair considering he current trade and market value.

Then we can get another impact player with our 13th pick. Sometimes you just cant budge and I glad Dom isnt backing down. We need to keep the 13th pick this year if we want to make a playoff push.


Why????? This years draft is terrible! Next years draft looks awesome! Why oh why would people want to trade next years first but not this years?


This years draft isn't terrible at all..it's actually EXTREMELY deep at positions of need for us. No one ever predicts next years top of the draft correctly at this point so we honestly have no idea what we have next year outside of a complete stud like JC. Barkley was all but guaranteed the top spot in this years draft a year ago and David Amerson was a lock for a top 10 pick. So it's very hard to rationalize trading away a guaranteed top 15 draft pick and you already know what players to expect in that range to keep next years pick where we have no idea who and where we'll be picking
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 21, 2013 2:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BBando wrote:
Jones I believe is perfect in Schiano's system. You can use him like the Broncos use Miller.


Jones is a pass rushing specialist. When teams like Bama wanted to run the ball...they went right at Jones and that's a fact. I'm not sure about you but if I was drafting a OLB in the top 15 picks of the draft I would be hoping that teams were trying to run away from him...
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 21, 2013 2:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BBando wrote:
Jones I believe is perfect in Schiano's system. You can use him like the Broncos use Miller.


Jones is going to be an unrealistic option, so is Star. Really, I don't know why two of these guys were in this poll.
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REDandPEWTER wrote:
BBando wrote:
Jones I believe is perfect in Schiano's system. You can use him like the Broncos use Miller.


Jones is going to be an unrealistic option, so is Star. Really, I don't know why two of these guys were in this poll.
Agreed.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 21, 2013 3:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pvsports9 wrote:
DaRealdeal wrote:
BBando wrote:
I swear if we pass on Banks for Trufant I am going to be mad.

Agreed. Trufant's sky-high stock is the reason why I hate the Senior Bowl.

Trufant really isn't that special. His game is actually really similar to EJ Biggers...he has the speed and the moxie to run/fight with anyone, but when the ball is in the air, especially deep down the field, he's not going to make the play. He's not a first round talent, IMO.

With regards to this question I think that you can't go wrong with Jones or Star. Both hit key needs and both are quality people that will fit into the locker-room. I am partial to Jones because I think that he is the best player in the draft, but I would be damn happy with Star.


I don't see Jones as special at all...especially as a 4-3 OLB. Would much rather have Ogletree, Brown or Greene to fill that spot..they just make more sense from a personnel perspective and what they bring to the field athletically

sound tacklers, great in coverage, always around the football

Ugh, really? I think the opposite. How would they make more sense from a personnel perspective? None of those guys can actually play SLB and none of them can actually rush the passer like Jones can. They are run and chase LBs that should be playing in the middle or more ideally on the weakside. For what we actually need they don't really fit the bill.

Even in a more general sense though, as prospects they aren't on Jones' level. Not even close.
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But... Im starting to lean toward Star, not cuz of his workout yesterday, I just had the feeling he was fine all along, but because of what he would do for us. Honestly, Im torn between Star and Jones, but here is why I say Star. Think about how we use SLB. Granted that was Quincy Black last year, but still. With the defensive packages we run, SLB is not of the field all that often. MLB is on the field a little more and WLB aka Lavonte David is and every down backer. We do not value the SLB position that much, so if we have the choice between Star and Jones I think this team picks Star. Both were Captains and both will make an impact. I just think we would use Star more.

Plus, think about our DL with Star on it. Bowers, McCoy, Lotulelei, Clayborn. Star at DT with the line we already have would be dominant if you ask me. His impact would be the greatest of any CB or even Jarvis Jones. Our Run D would be just as good and his pass rushing ability would greatly improve our QB sacks and keep our plays behind the LOS up. Plus, that would help out our CBs and Safeties.


This is why I picked Star in this scenario, exact reason. Incredible DL play makes up for a poor secondary.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 21, 2013 3:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Still don't get why we're arguing over star and jones. Both are going to go top 5. 7 at the latest. Meaning we'd have to jump up pretty far to land either one of them.

Much better chance of Milliner slipping close to our spot.
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DaRealdeal wrote:
Pvsports9 wrote:
DaRealdeal wrote:
BBando wrote:
I swear if we pass on Banks for Trufant I am going to be mad.

Agreed. Trufant's sky-high stock is the reason why I hate the Senior Bowl.

Trufant really isn't that special. His game is actually really similar to EJ Biggers...he has the speed and the moxie to run/fight with anyone, but when the ball is in the air, especially deep down the field, he's not going to make the play. He's not a first round talent, IMO.

With regards to this question I think that you can't go wrong with Jones or Star. Both hit key needs and both are quality people that will fit into the locker-room. I am partial to Jones because I think that he is the best player in the draft, but I would be damn happy with Star.


I don't see Jones as special at all...especially as a 4-3 OLB. Would much rather have Ogletree, Brown or Greene to fill that spot..they just make more sense from a personnel perspective and what they bring to the field athletically

sound tacklers, great in coverage, always around the football

Ugh, really? I think the opposite. How would they make more sense from a personnel perspective? None of those guys can actually play SLB and none of them can actually rush the passer like Jones can. They are run and chase LBs that should be playing in the middle or more ideally on the weakside. For what we actually need they don't really fit the bill.

Even in a more general sense though, as prospects they aren't on Jones' level. Not even close.


Two lavonte davids at OLB can both work in a true 4-3 alignment. We don't need a rusher if we have two extremely athletic guys at both outside spots because they can provide so much ability in coverage and tackling
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Pvsports9 wrote:
DaRealdeal wrote:
Pvsports9 wrote:
DaRealdeal wrote:
BBando wrote:
I swear if we pass on Banks for Trufant I am going to be mad.

Agreed. Trufant's sky-high stock is the reason why I hate the Senior Bowl.

Trufant really isn't that special. His game is actually really similar to EJ Biggers...he has the speed and the moxie to run/fight with anyone, but when the ball is in the air, especially deep down the field, he's not going to make the play. He's not a first round talent, IMO.

With regards to this question I think that you can't go wrong with Jones or Star. Both hit key needs and both are quality people that will fit into the locker-room. I am partial to Jones because I think that he is the best player in the draft, but I would be damn happy with Star.


I don't see Jones as special at all...especially as a 4-3 OLB. Would much rather have Ogletree, Brown or Greene to fill that spot..they just make more sense from a personnel perspective and what they bring to the field athletically

sound tacklers, great in coverage, always around the football

Ugh, really? I think the opposite. How would they make more sense from a personnel perspective? None of those guys can actually play SLB and none of them can actually rush the passer like Jones can. They are run and chase LBs that should be playing in the middle or more ideally on the weakside. For what we actually need they don't really fit the bill.

Even in a more general sense though, as prospects they aren't on Jones' level. Not even close.


Two lavonte davids at OLB can both work in a true 4-3 alignment. We don't need a rusher if we have two extremely athletic guys at both outside spots because they can provide so much ability in coverage and tackling


I agree with you to a point. Miller did well in his rookie year but the Bronco defense became more 3-4 oriented. That's where I think Jarvis Jones is more suited. He played in a 3-4 at Georgia. I think that's where he';s going to be phenomenal and a 4-3 will only hinder his talents.

I am on board. I don't think Jones is a horrible prospect, but he's got the Von Miller hype, I'm just not buying into. I think he'll be a good player, but he wont outperform his top 5 draft status.
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Pvsports9 wrote:
DaRealdeal wrote:
Pvsports9 wrote:
DaRealdeal wrote:
BBando wrote:
I swear if we pass on Banks for Trufant I am going to be mad.

Agreed. Trufant's sky-high stock is the reason why I hate the Senior Bowl.

Trufant really isn't that special. His game is actually really similar to EJ Biggers...he has the speed and the moxie to run/fight with anyone, but when the ball is in the air, especially deep down the field, he's not going to make the play. He's not a first round talent, IMO.

With regards to this question I think that you can't go wrong with Jones or Star. Both hit key needs and both are quality people that will fit into the locker-room. I am partial to Jones because I think that he is the best player in the draft, but I would be damn happy with Star.


I don't see Jones as special at all...especially as a 4-3 OLB. Would much rather have Ogletree, Brown or Greene to fill that spot..they just make more sense from a personnel perspective and what they bring to the field athletically

sound tacklers, great in coverage, always around the football

Ugh, really? I think the opposite. How would they make more sense from a personnel perspective? None of those guys can actually play SLB and none of them can actually rush the passer like Jones can. They are run and chase LBs that should be playing in the middle or more ideally on the weakside. For what we actually need they don't really fit the bill.

Even in a more general sense though, as prospects they aren't on Jones' level. Not even close.


Two lavonte davids at OLB can both work in a true 4-3 alignment. We don't need a rusher if we have two extremely athletic guys at both outside spots because they can provide so much ability in coverage and tackling

That's not realistic.

WLB and SLB have completely different responsibilities. The SLB in our defense lines up at the line of scrimmage and sets the edge. They have to fight through the trash and take on blockers consistently. The WLB relies on other players in the front 7 to tie up blockers so that they can run free and make plays. As good as Lavonte David is, he would be wasted at SLB and he would probably be a liability. As a WLB though, he's a stud.
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Star blew up his workout, dont see him falling out of top 10 in this weak class. ON the contrary, Jones looked bad, but film dont lie

Ive been saying it all offseason, and I know DRD is on board. We dont need another DE. We have two high investments in Bowers and Clayborn who have yet to all play with McCoy.

If we are drafting a pass rusher of any sorts it'll be a SLB. Jones in the first or if we make this trade for Revis, look for Jamie Collins or Sio Moore.

We BLITZ ALOT! That 5th guy better be good. Maybe it's Watson, I know we all love the guy, but he needs competition
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Pvsports9 wrote:
tml_gogo wrote:
Lil' Shorty wrote:
Buccaneer4life wrote:
I think we end up trading our 1st and 2nd this year for Revis. Domininck really wants Revis. If that wasnt the case then we would have picked from the abundant amount of FA corners there are. Revis will be a Buc in 2013 and we will not have a first round pick. Is that really that bad? Chances are we take a CB in round 1 anyways. Why not trade for the best one in football? Not to crazy about giving up our 2nd but Domininck will get the player he wants one way or another.

Im gonna be beyond POed if we trade our 1st and 2nd this year. The Jets said they are cool with 2014 compensation. Give our 2nd this year and our 1st next year and a late round pick like 5th round or something this or next year. That is completely fair considering he current trade and market value.

Then we can get another impact player with our 13th pick. Sometimes you just cant budge and I glad Dom isnt backing down. We need to keep the 13th pick this year if we want to make a playoff push.


Why????? This years draft is terrible! Next years draft looks awesome! Why oh why would people want to trade next years first but not this years?


This years draft isn't terrible at all..it's actually EXTREMELY deep at positions of need for us. No one ever predicts next years top of the draft correctly at this point so we honestly have no idea what we have next year outside of a complete stud like JC. Barkley was all but guaranteed the top spot in this years draft a year ago and David Amerson was a lock for a top 10 pick. So it's very hard to rationalize trading away a guaranteed top 15 draft pick and you already know what players to expect in that range to keep next years pick where we have no idea who and where we'll be picking

Because I want Star or Jones. And in my defense, I posted this poll before Star's pro day. Many recent mocks have either Star or Jones available at our pick or close to it. If we keep the 1st and trade for Revis, imagine what our D would look with the addition of Star or Jones as well. Personally, and I'm calling it now by the way, i think our FO is targeting Star Lotulelei.
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Lil' Shorty wrote:
Pvsports9 wrote:
tml_gogo wrote:
Lil' Shorty wrote:
Buccaneer4life wrote:
I think we end up trading our 1st and 2nd this year for Revis. Domininck really wants Revis. If that wasnt the case then we would have picked from the abundant amount of FA corners there are. Revis will be a Buc in 2013 and we will not have a first round pick. Is that really that bad? Chances are we take a CB in round 1 anyways. Why not trade for the best one in football? Not to crazy about giving up our 2nd but Domininck will get the player he wants one way or another.

Im gonna be beyond POed if we trade our 1st and 2nd this year. The Jets said they are cool with 2014 compensation. Give our 2nd this year and our 1st next year and a late round pick like 5th round or something this or next year. That is completely fair considering he current trade and market value.

Then we can get another impact player with our 13th pick. Sometimes you just cant budge and I glad Dom isnt backing down. We need to keep the 13th pick this year if we want to make a playoff push.


Why????? This years draft is terrible! Next years draft looks awesome! Why oh why would people want to trade next years first but not this years?


This years draft isn't terrible at all..it's actually EXTREMELY deep at positions of need for us. No one ever predicts next years top of the draft correctly at this point so we honestly have no idea what we have next year outside of a complete stud like JC. Barkley was all but guaranteed the top spot in this years draft a year ago and David Amerson was a lock for a top 10 pick. So it's very hard to rationalize trading away a guaranteed top 15 draft pick and you already know what players to expect in that range to keep next years pick where we have no idea who and where we'll be picking

Because I want Star or Jones. And in my defense, I posted this poll before Star's pro day. Many recent mocks have either Star or Jones available at our pick or close to it. If we keep the 1st and trade for Revis, imagine what our D would look with the addition of Star or Jones as well. Personally, and I'm calling it now by the way, i think our FO is targeting Star Lotulelei.


I'm drooling at the thought of Star and Mccoy in the middle... I just don't know who's gonna be there at our pick... Call me crazy but I think there's a good chance 3 QBs will go top 10-15 which could mean someone sliding to us
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