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| Klomp wrote: | My understanding is that it will be called when the RB seeks out the contact in the open field and they didn't have to. I actually think this would affect Adrian near the sidelines more than anything.
I think this is an example of the type of play they want to eliminate. He didnt lead with his head here, but that's the type of situation they are looking at IMO: http://youtu.be/Bqs24InfI7g |
More time should be spend teaching players how to tackle. Al Harris is basically standing upright, if you watch the hit closely, it's actually Harris who lowers his head. Adrian leans forward and powers through him.
I've been watching through a couple of clips of these head to head hits, and the common factor that seems to stand out is poor tackling form. Defensive players who are standing upright, and trying to tackle with their head/shoulder, i.e. putting their head at head height trying to tackle a player at full tilt. These hits wouldn't happen if players tackled properly (i.e. rugby tackle, hit/drive with shoulder, head on the outside of the player, low to high).
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| Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2013 4:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Kellerman wrote: | More time should be spend teaching players how to tackle. Al Harris is basically standing upright, if you watch the hit closely, it's actually Harris who lowers his head. Adrian leans forward and powers through him.
I've been watching through a couple of clips of these head to head hits, and the common factor that seems to stand out is poor tackling form. Defensive players who are standing upright, and trying to tackle with their head/shoulder, i.e. putting their head at head height trying to tackle a player at full tilt. These hits wouldn't happen if players tackled properly (i.e. rugby tackle, hit/drive with shoulder, head on the outside of the player, low to high). |
Like I said, my example was more to show the type of situation the rule would be enforced. I do not think it would be called on that specific play, though I could see refs' judgment being affected by how the defender falls (I hope not though)
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| Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2013 4:40 pm Post subject: |
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The new rule prohibits ball carriers and defensive players from initiating contact in the open field with the crown of the helmet. The crown, as explained by Rams coach Jeff Fisher, is the top of the helmet. The facemask and hairline of the helmet may still be used to initiate contact.
Fisher emphasized that ball carriers will be permitted to protect themselves, by dropping their pads and dipping their helmets. A foul arises only if the top of the helmet is used to ram the opponent.
In that way, the new rule is an extension of the rule against spearing, which in NFL parlance means hitting a player who is on the ground with the crown (top) of the helmet.
Also, the blow with the top of the helmet must be “forcible,” a know-it-when-you-see-it standard that could potentially cause reasonable minds to differ. As a result, the decision will be treated as a judgment call, not subject to replay review.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/03/20/new-helmet-use-rule-is-more-narrow-limited-than-believed/
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| Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2013 5:09 pm Post subject: |
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From a safety standpoint this rule makes all the sense in the world.
From a football standpoint it remains to be seen.
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| Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2013 5:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Klomp wrote: | The new rule prohibits ball carriers and defensive players from initiating contact in the open field with the crown of the helmet. The crown, as explained by Rams coach Jeff Fisher, is the top of the helmet. The facemask and hairline of the helmet may still be used to initiate contact.
Fisher emphasized that ball carriers will be permitted to protect themselves, by dropping their pads and dipping their helmets. A foul arises only if the top of the helmet is used to ram the opponent.
In that way, the new rule is an extension of the rule against spearing, which in NFL parlance means hitting a player who is on the ground with the crown (top) of the helmet.
Also, the blow with the top of the helmet must be “forcible,” a know-it-when-you-see-it standard that could potentially cause reasonable minds to differ. As a result, the decision will be treated as a judgment call, not subject to replay review.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/03/20/new-helmet-use-rule-is-more-narrow-limited-than-believed/ |
This leads me to believe it will get called all to often.
The defender will most likely be at fault in most cases I think, like the Al Harris play, but I think the offensive player will get called for it more.
Like was mentioned earlier, there should be more emphasis on teaching defenders how to tackle.
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Five hits all of last year? How will removing 5 hits make the game safer? Was anyone hurt on those five hits?
So many ways to make the game safer, this seems like one of those "it will make the game safer" statements that has no basis in reality, but passes so they can all feel good about themselves, while guys get concussions and broken knees.....
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| Lil Uno wrote: | 31-1 :?
I'm guessing the 1 was Wilf and all the other owners are just mad they don't have Adrian Peterson. 8) |
Nope it was the Bengals that voted against it.
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I think it is dumb that it isn't reviewable. If it hardly ever happens then how is having a occasional challenge going to hurt anything.
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I don't think the Al Harris play would be called. He cleans his clock with his shoulder which is what they say they want to see more of. He doesn't square up and doesn't lead with the crown of his head, no penalty IMO.
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According to the new rules, yes the AD one would be illegal.
One could argue the Brown hit was reckless and Bush was defenseless.
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| Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2013 9:47 pm Post subject: |
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| PurpleNation22 wrote: |
According to the new rules, yes the AD one would be illegal.
One could argue the Brown hit was reckless and Bush was defenseless. |
This is where I'm hopeful they call it correctly. In the first play AD catches the ball, turns around and the defender is right there. I don't feel that he squares up and launches himself in that instance. IMO shouldn't be penalized.
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If they call it correctly that's a penalty; launching has nothing to do with it.
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| rpmwr19 wrote: | | If they call it correctly that's a penalty; launching has nothing to do with it. |
Not the way I interpret the rule, he doesn't have time to square up to deliver the hit.
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| Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2013 11:53 pm Post subject: |
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| fishtanked wrote: | | rpmwr19 wrote: | | If they call it correctly that's a penalty; launching has nothing to do with it. |
Not the way I interpret the rule, he doesn't have time to square up to deliver the hit. |
My interpretation as well
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