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xDD80x


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 2:05 am    Post subject: GB-OAK DB Connections - How scheme and fit drive value Reply with quote

Packer fan here, figured I'd throw this in.

Green Bay is currently linked to Oakland DB Michael Huff. If the signing occurs it continues an 11 year Packer-Raider DB connection tradition.

Ignoring the 2002 signing of Darien Gordon (brief KR/PR stint), it all started in around 2003. The Dolphins moved away from their highly physical man-press scheme, leaving the Packers and Raiders as the only 2 teams to run it extensively. Since then EVERY SINGLE YEAR has featured a Raiders-Packers DB connection. Many of these years featured interesting draft moves where one team would jump ahead of the other by one slot in the draft to take a DB.


2002
Darrien Gordon, former OAK DB signs with GB to return punts (this one is a throw in, the fun begins in 2003)

2003
Chris Johnson - GB traded a future 6th to take him in the 7th, JSOnline article reports OAK admitted plans to draft Johnson, who would later go on to play many years in OAK.

2004
Derek Combs - switches from OAK to GB

Marques Anderson - cut by GB after 2 years, immediately signed by OAK

(As an aside, this is the year that scarcity drives the Packers to select Ahmad Carroll and Joey Thomas with their first 2 picks. Going back and reading old scouting reports on these guys you can understand why they were picked. Watching NFL film on them, not so much.)

2005
Fabian Washington – OAK drafts after trading immediately in front of GB 1 spot ahead of GB in the 1st round. GB gets stuck with QB Aaron Rodgers.

2006
Charles Woodson - OAK UFA signs with GB

2007
John Bowie - OAK trades up 2 spots in front GB to select him in 4th round, GB subsequently trades back

Jason Horton - switches from GB to OAK

Curtis Fuller - former GB DB begins assistant coaching career with OAK. Returns to GB to coach in 2009-2010.

2008
Tyvon Branch – OAK trades up in 4th round from 104 to 100. Packers had traded into pick 102.

Marviel Underwood - signed by OAK, former Packers 5th round pick

2009
Mike Hawkins - OAK signs former GB 5th round pick

2010
Joey Thomas - former GB 3rd round pick signs with the OAK

2011
Joe Porter - played 6 games for the OAK, after playing his only other NFL game with GB

2012
Pat Lee – brought from OAK to GB by Reggie McKenzie

Brandian Ross - Plays in 14 games for OAK after being signed off GB practice squad

Hypothesis: Scheme and fit have an incredible bearing on where players are drafted. These elements are severely underrated by fans.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 2:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not sure who all runs this sort of fit nowadays or if this still applies, but I believe I read a few years ago that the Rams were trying to run it (subsequently trade for Chris Johnson, signed Al Harris whoever else).

Man-press isn't the only common variable. For years both OAK and GB have placed a heavy emphasis on the numbers come draft day.

Capers has since moved away from this and plays more zone.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 2:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting. Don't forget Brandian Ross also!
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 2:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

xDD80x wrote:
I'm not sure who all runs this sort of fit nowadays or if this still applies, but I believe I read a few years ago that the Rams were trying to run it (subsequently trade for Chris Johnson, signed Al Harris whoever else).

Man-press isn't the only common variable. For years both OAK and GB have placed a heavy emphasis on the numbers come draft day.

Capers has since moved away from this and plays more zone.


As did Tarver
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 2:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

OakRaiders3828 wrote:
Interesting. Don't forget Brandian Ross also!


Nice,
noted!
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 8:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for posting this for two reasons. It is kinda funny to see this. The thought had never even crossed my mind. I like knowing crap like this. Hell, I want to know how many steps I've taken in my lifetime LOL

And secondly, seeing any character from Calvin and Hobbes is a good way to start the day!

Cheers
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 9:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

but we've changed the DB philosophy now, so any (GB to Oak) moves are probably just because Reggie knows them (which i imagine will ease back a bit now)
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 9:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dreadymatt wrote:
but we've changed the DB philosophy now, so any (GB to Oak) moves are probably just because Reggie knows them (which i imagine will ease back a bit now)


We did, but so did they:
xDD80x wrote:
Capers has since moved away from this and plays more zone.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 11:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dreadymatt wrote:
but we've changed the DB philosophy now, so any (GB to Oak) moves are probably just because Reggie knows them (which i imagine will ease back a bit now)


Still seem to have the same interest in tall and fast CBs though.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 11:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great post.

Also it reminded me how we used the Randy Moss pick on John Bowie.

Also it reminded me that Pat Lee existed. He wasn't that bad last season. Is he signed yet?
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 11:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jamethus92 wrote:
Great post.

Also it reminded me how we used the Randy Moss pick on John Bowie.

Also it reminded me that Pat Lee existed. He wasn't that bad last season. Is he signed yet?


Doesn't matter. He isn't dominant.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 2:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Really interesting thread.

It seems that on numerous occasions the Raiders traded up to move in front of the Packers... to take awful people. Branch an exception to this rule. Bowie. Crying or Very sad
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 2:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Silver&Black88 wrote:
Doesn't matter. He isn't dominant.


Is that the new buzz word? Like "elite"?
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 2:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jamethus92 wrote:
Silver&Black88 wrote:
Doesn't matter. He isn't dominant.


Is that the new buzz word? Like "elite"?


Reggie said we were looking for dominant players, not decent ones as a reason why we cut Lee. And kept Bartell. Laughing
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 5:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the great post! Very rare to read a completely original and well thought through post.


BTW Huff would be a great pick up for that defense.
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