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Swift924


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 5:52 pm    Post subject: Falcons lack of depth scares me Reply with quote

We really hurt our depth with the cuts of Abe and Dunta. The cut of Dunta we all seen coming but Abe getting released was kind of a shocker. By making those moves it hurt our depth. This team is going to be thin in some positions . Real thin

Lot can change still early in free agency and draft but as of now

DB depth ???
Projected starters Asante and McClain

were most likely drafting a corner early but Owens is still a free agent out there. Were most likely going to need him back for slot and depth unless we bring in a veteran corner and slide McClain back to slot


LB depth
Projected starters Nicholas, Dent, Spoon

we could even use a upgrade from Dent but we also lack some veteran depth at this position. God for bid Spoon gets hurt who would we have to fill in



defensive line is so atrocious.Basically one serviceable starter in Babs and rest are rotational guys at best
Biermann
Massaquoi
Matthews

Babs
Jerry


still need to bring back Walker..Just saw we lost him to Raiders



Dimitroff needs to have draft of his life this year to fill voids. This team could soon be heading in wrong direction Crying or Very sad
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 6:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Keep Calm.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 6:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SpicyMcHaggis wrote:
Keep Calm.


pretty much
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 6:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SpicyMcHaggis wrote:
Keep Calm.


pretty calm..Just some of moves TD has made is puzzling.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 8:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Swift924 wrote:
SpicyMcHaggis wrote:
Keep Calm.


pretty calm..Just some of moves TD has made is puzzling.


such as?
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 8:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

GSUeagles14 wrote:
Swift924 wrote:
SpicyMcHaggis wrote:
Keep Calm.


pretty calm..Just some of moves TD has made is puzzling.


such as?


-releasing our only pass rusher Abe who counted for 10 sacks

-bringing in a veteran rb that has a ton of carries instead of going younger and cheaper.

-Tony G cap hit of 5.2 million with -2 million in dead cap next year.
If Tony wanted to come back it should have been a reduced rate to try and win a Super Bowl


-not bringing in any free agent defensive line that has come and gone on the market ..Sammie Hill, Canty etc that could have been value
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 8:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Swift924 wrote:
GSUeagles14 wrote:
Swift924 wrote:
SpicyMcHaggis wrote:
Keep Calm.


pretty calm..Just some of moves TD has made is puzzling.


such as?


-releasing our only pass rusher Abe who counted for 10 sacks

-bringing in a veteran rb that has a ton of carries instead of going younger and cheaper.

-Tony G cap hit of 5.2 million with -2 million in dead cap next year.
If Tony wanted to come back it should have been a reduced rate to try and win a Super Bowl


-not bringing in any free agent defensive line that has come and gone on the market ..Sammie Hill, Canty etc that could have been value


- Abraham was extremely streaky last year and too often we had no pass rush at all. For what he was being paid, we needed more.

- Jackosn has plentyu of tread left on his tires. Still had over 4 ypc with pretty much no threat of a pass game. He is a very good blocker, and elite pass catcher. In addition, hes pretty cheap.

- TG's production warranted better compensation. Thats not even close to debatable.

- We're fine at DT. we dont need SLH or Canty. And we're short on cap space, better to find guys in the draft, where the DL is very strong this year.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 8:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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-releasing our only pass rusher Abe who counted for 10 sacks


Abe wasn't worth the money he was being paid. Simple as that.

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-bringing in a veteran rb that has a ton of carries instead of going younger and cheaper.


This isn't a running team. We just need somebody to close out some games and bail our Ryan when he needs it. The Falcons had one of the best offenses in the league last year with one of the worst run games. Jackson is a massive upgrade and he's a locker room leader who is hungry for a ring.

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-Tony G cap hit of 5.2 million with -2 million in dead cap next year.
If Tony wanted to come back it should have been a reduced rate to try and win a Super Bowl


Yeah, I sort of agree, but Tony could have really asked for whatever he wanted. He's an integral part of our offense and was still playing great last year at 37.

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-not bringing in any free agent defensive line that has come and gone on the market ..Sammie Hill, Canty etc that could have been value


First of all, FA is far from over. I still expect a veteran or two to be added to our defensive line. Secondly, that's just not the way TD does things. And it's worked. We went 13-3 last year on a team that TD built, predominately through the draft. There's a ton of DE and DT prospects available for us to develop, and a hell of a lot cheaper than any of those guys would be.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 8:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow. Today our forum has really taken a lot of giant steps back...
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 8:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

GSUeagles14 wrote:
Swift924 wrote:
GSUeagles14 wrote:
Swift924 wrote:
SpicyMcHaggis wrote:
Keep Calm.


pretty calm..Just some of moves TD has made is puzzling.


such as?


-releasing our only pass rusher Abe who counted for 10 sacks

-bringing in a veteran rb that has a ton of carries instead of going younger and cheaper.

-Tony G cap hit of 5.2 million with -2 million in dead cap next year.
If Tony wanted to come back it should have been a reduced rate to try and win a Super Bowl


-not bringing in any free agent defensive line that has come and gone on the market ..Sammie Hill, Canty etc that could have been value


- Abraham was extremely streaky last year and too often we had no pass rush at all. For what he was being paid, we needed more.

- Jackosn has plentyu of tread left on his tires. Still had over 4 ypc with pretty much no threat of a pass game. He is a very good blocker, and elite pass catcher. In addition, hes pretty cheap.

- TG's production warranted better compensation. Thats not even close to debatable.

- We're fine at DT. we dont need SLH or Canty. And we're short on cap space, better to find guys in the draft, where the DL is very strong this year.



Abe was our only pass rusher right and our weakness on defense outside run defense was creating a pass rush.

Jackson might have some tread on tires but this team would have been better suited bringing in a rookie rb who has no tread on tires and can turn into a bell cow and does not cost2.9 mil toward the cap


Falcons could have survived without Tony G like how Falcons went 10-6 in 2008 with Justin Peele at TE ..now we have Julio.


Falcons will be going DT in draft..since they didnt even bring back Walker and that is another TD mistake imo
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 9:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BeeperKing wrote:
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-releasing our only pass rusher Abe who counted for 10 sacks


Abe wasn't worth the money he was being paid. Simple as that.

Quote:
-bringing in a veteran rb that has a ton of carries instead of going younger and cheaper.


This isn't a running team. We just need somebody to close out some games and bail our Ryan when he needs it. The Falcons had one of the best offenses in the league last year with one of the worst run games. Jackson is a massive upgrade and he's a locker room leader who is hungry for a ring.

Quote:
-Tony G cap hit of 5.2 million with -2 million in dead cap next year.
If Tony wanted to come back it should have been a reduced rate to try and win a Super Bowl


Yeah, I sort of agree, but Tony could have really asked for whatever he wanted. He's an integral part of our offense and was still playing great last year at 37.

Quote:
-not bringing in any free agent defensive line that has come and gone on the market ..Sammie Hill, Canty etc that could have been value


First of all, FA is far from over. I still expect a veteran or two to be added to our defensive line. Secondly, that's just not the way TD does things. And it's worked. We went 13-3 last year on a team that TD built, predominately through the draft. There's a ton of DE and DT prospects available for us to develop, and a hell of a lot cheaper than any of those guys would be.



for Abe production of 10 sacks that is 7 million which is market value. He also played good run defense at time.

Now Falcons have no pass rush..I can understand Dunta and Turner cuts but Abe still has some in tank..


I think Falcons could have moved on from Tony G and found a young TE in draft with rb..This free agency should have been spent on defense while trying to find the 2 holes at rb and TE through draft'
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 9:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Swift924 wrote:
GSUeagles14 wrote:
Swift924 wrote:
GSUeagles14 wrote:
Swift924 wrote:
SpicyMcHaggis wrote:
Keep Calm.


pretty calm..Just some of moves TD has made is puzzling.


such as?


-releasing our only pass rusher Abe who counted for 10 sacks

-bringing in a veteran rb that has a ton of carries instead of going younger and cheaper.

-Tony G cap hit of 5.2 million with -2 million in dead cap next year.
If Tony wanted to come back it should have been a reduced rate to try and win a Super Bowl


-not bringing in any free agent defensive line that has come and gone on the market ..Sammie Hill, Canty etc that could have been value


- Abraham was extremely streaky last year and too often we had no pass rush at all. For what he was being paid, we needed more.

- Jackosn has plentyu of tread left on his tires. Still had over 4 ypc with pretty much no threat of a pass game. He is a very good blocker, and elite pass catcher. In addition, hes pretty cheap.

- TG's production warranted better compensation. Thats not even close to debatable.

- We're fine at DT. we dont need SLH or Canty. And we're short on cap space, better to find guys in the draft, where the DL is very strong this year.



Abe was our only pass rusher right and our weakness on defense outside run defense was creating a pass rush.

Jackson might have some tread on tires but this team would have been better suited bringing in a rookie rb who has no tread on tires and can turn into a bell cow and does not cost2.9 mil toward the cap


Falcons could have survived without Tony G like how Falcons went 10-6 in 2008 with Justin Peele at TE ..now we have Julio.


Falcons will be going DT in draft..since they didnt even bring back Walker and that is another TD mistake imo


- Again, the draft is full of very good rushers. Why not grab one of them?
- We could draft a rb, but he wouldnt be as good or versatile as Jackson.
- Im not looking for the falcons to just "survive". That seems like a losers attitude. I want the best offense in the NFL, TG is a pivotal piece to that.
- Walker is very replacable. Not even gonna debate that point.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 9:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

none of pass rushers at 30 are going to produce 10 sacks and brings Abe presence

of course the rookie rb wouldnt be as polished as a veteran as SJAX but we dont need him to be could have went with a rb by committee approach and used Quizz,Snelling and rookie rb to split the load
we are a pass first offense. We could have spent a 2nd or 3rd round pick on rookie rb and groomed him as future starter


you want the best offense in league but our offense was pretty potent last season and got outscored by Collin K at home in NFC championship game. so was the reason we lost NFC champ game on offense or defense ?



walker is replaceable just like Falcons thought Lofton was replaceable with Dent..how did that turn out...we went from a top 10 run defense to be a bottom ranked run defense..Lofton was a huge factor in that
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 9:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Swift924 wrote:
none of pass rushers at 30 are going to produce 10 sacks and brings Abe presence

of course the rookie rb wouldnt be as polished as a veteran as SJAX but we dont need him to be could have went with a rb by committee approach and used Quizz,Snelling and rookie rb to split the load
we are a pass first offense. We could have spent a 2nd or 3rd round pick on rookie rb and groomed him as future starter


you want the best offense in league but our offense was pretty potent last season and got outscored by Collin K at home in NFC championship game. so was the reason we lost NFC champ game on offense or defense ?



walker is replaceable just like Falcons thought Lofton was replaceable with Dent..how did that turn out...we went from a top 10 run defense to be a bottom ranked run defense..Lofton was a huge factor in that


How do you know no DE will produce the kind of pressure Abe did? That kind of guys against popular thought woth this draft.

Yes, we're a pass first offense. So why not have a guy that can run, block and catch? That way the defense wont be keyed in on what we're doing.

Seeing as how we scored 0 points in the 2nd half, im gonna go with offense.

We werent a top run d last year, average at best ranking 15th in ypc. BTW NO ranked dead last in ypc this year, Lofton really seemed to help them.
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Dent wasnt even a starter this year. Our base package was the Nickle, so trying to compare Dent to Lofton(who is vastly overrated) is silly.
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