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PostPosted: Sat Mar 16, 2013 8:13 pm    Post subject: Giants Offseason Evaluation Reply with quote

RB Ahmad Bradshaw -27-
DT Chris Canty -30- (Baltimore)
LB Michael Boley -31-
CB Terrell Thomas -28- (Resigned 1 Year Deal)

Restructured Contracts:
OT David Diehl -33-
DE Mathias Kiwanuka -30-
C David Baas -31-
CB Corey Webster -31-

UFA Resigned:
RB Ryan Torain -27-
TE Bear Pascoe -27-
OT Will Beatty -28-
DT Shaun Rogers -34-
LB Keith Rivers -27-
DB Terrell Thomas -28

Reserve-Futures Contracts:
QB Curtis Painter
WR Kris Adams
WR Brandon Collins
WR Kevin Hardy
TE Jamie Childers
TE Larry Donnell
OT Levy Adcock
OT Matt McCants
OG Bryant Browning
OG Chris DeGeare
OG Stephen Goodwin r
DE Matt Broha
DT Michael Jasper
DT Bobby Skinner
LB Jake Muasau
CB David Caldwell
CB Antonio Dennard
CB Buddy Jackson
CB Trumaine McBride
CB Laron Scott
K-P Jake Rogers

UFA Departed:
TE Martellus Bennett -26- (Chicago)
CB Will Blackmon -28- (Seattle)
S Kenny Phillips -26- (Philadelphia)

Remaining UFAs:
QB David Carr -33-
RB Kregg Lumpkin -29-
WR Ramses Barden -27-
WR Domenik Hixon -28-
TE Travis Beckum -26-
OT Sean Locklear -32-
OG Kevin Boothe -30-
DE Osi Umenyiora -31-
DT Rocky Bernard -34-
LB Chase Blackburn -30-
CB Justin Tryon -29-
K Lawrence Tynes -35-

UFA Signed:
WR Louis Murphy -26- (UFA- Carolina)
DT Cullen Jenkins -32- (Released- Philadelphia)
LB Dan Connor -27- (Released- Dallas)
CB Aaron Ross -30- (Released- Jacksonville)
S Ryan Mundy -28- (UFA- Pittsburgh)
K Josh Brown -33- (UFA Street FA post Nugent Resigning- Cincinnati)

Updated Depth Chart:

QB: Eli Manning -32-, Curtis Painter -28-
RB: David Wilson -22-, Andre Brown -26-, Ryan Torain -27-, Da'Rel Scott -25-
FB: Henry Hynoski -24-
WR: Hakeem Nicks -25-, Rueben Randle -22-, Louis Murphy -26-
WR: Victor Cruz -26-, Jerrel Jernigan -24-
TE: Bear Pascoe -27-, Adrien Robinson -24-
LT: Will Beatty -28-, Matt McCants -24-
OC: David Baas -31-, Jim Cordle -26-
RG: Chris Snee -31-
RT: David Diehl -33-, James Brewer -25-, Brandon Mosley -24-

LE: Justin Tuck -30-, Mathias Kiwanuka -30-, Justin Trattou -25-
DT: Cullen Jenkins -32-, Marvin Austin -24-, Markus Kuhn -27-
DT: Linval Joseph -24-, Shaun Rogers -34-
RE: Jason Pierre-Paul -24-, Adewale Ojomo -24-, Adrian Tracy -25-
OLB: Jacquian Williams -25-, Keith Rivers -27-
ILB: Dan Connor -27-, Spencer Paysinger -25-, Mark Herzlich -26-
LC: Corey Webster -31-, Aaron Ross -30-, Terrell Thomas -28-
RC: Prince Amukamara -24-, Jayron Hosley -23-
FS: Antrel Rolle -30-, Will Hill -23-
SS: Stevie Brown -26-, Ryan Mundy -28-, Tyler Sash -25-

K Josh Brown -33-
P: Steve Weatherford -30-
LS: Zak DeOssie -29-

2013 NFL Draft Selections:
6-209 (Compensatory- CB Aaron Ross):
6-210 (Compensatory- WR Mario Manningham):
7- 231:

Discussion & Analysis:

Jerry Reese is taking the 1 for 1 approach in Free Agency. After loosing Kenny Phillips & Martellus Bennett, he's signed UFAs Louis Murphy & Ryan Mundy.

The other signings were all Cut by their previous teams. Recognizing the value of Draft Picks, Reese has placed priority on finding Value Signings cut by their 2012 Teams.

Smart GMs are taking this approach because given flat cap over the next few years, Draft Picks are becoming increasingly critical to building a roster. After Dallas cut 27 year old LB Dan Connor, he drew interest from the Giants, Ravens & Steelers.

Ravens anticipate receiving 3 or possibly 4 compensatory picks if they abstain from a UFA signing- LBs Paul Kruger & Dannell Ellerbe should both return 3rd Round Compensatory Picks in 2014.

Steelers will receive a 3rd for Mike Wallace, 4th for Keenan Lewis & potentially additional compensatory picks for Max Starks, Ryan Mundy or Will Allen.

Patriots are implementing same mindset. Already departed are RB Danny Woodhead, WR Wes Welker, OG Donald Thomas, & S Patrick Chung. Potential to join them- OT Sebastian Vollmer & DE Trevor Scott.

Pats have signed:
RB Leon Washington -31- (Cut by Seattle)
WR Danny Amendola -27- (UFA- St. Louis)
WR Donald Jones -25- (Non-Tendered RFA- Buffalo)
S Adrian Wilson -33- (Cut by Arizona)

Simply- the smart teams that build consistent winners are showing increased emphasis on Compensatory Selections. UFA decisions are being made in this context.


Wide Receiver- RFA Victor Cruz draws most headlines. After his breakout 2011 season, Cruz fired Reliance Sports Management & choose Malik Shareef of Dimensional Sports to negotiate his contracts. For off the field opportunities, Cruz hired reputable sports management firm IMG.

During SB Week Giants Owner John Mara strategically leaked to the media that Hakeem Nicks was the Giants priority. Set to be a UFA in 2014, this sent a message to the Cruz camp. Rumors & speculation of Cruz potentially departing to a team with a late 1st Round Selection began to emerge. Clearly at an impasse, Cruz likely under the pressure of IMG hired CAA Sports' Tom Condon, former head of IMG Football. After earning $ 540,000 in base salary for 2012, Cruz earned significantly more with endorsement deals from Campbell's Soup, Foot Locker, Time Warner Campbell & other off field opportunities.

Bottom Line- Cruz will return in 2013 & longterm contract discussions will likely reopen after OTAs.

A health Hakeem Nicks was integral to the 2012 Super Bowl Run. After re aggravating knee & foot injuries Week 2 vs. Tampa Bay, Nicks wasn't the vertical threat that demands double coverage & safety attention. Looking for a third WR to fill the void, Randle struggled grasping the nuances of Kevin Gilbride's Option Route offense, Jernigan is inexperience & a slot WR, Domenik Hixon struggled with concussions & Ramses Barden struggled to create separation.

To add depth at WR, the Giants recently signed 26 year old Louis Murphy. Giants likely became attracted to the player in studying tape in preparation for Tampa Bay in Week 2. In Week 1, Murphy took the top of the Bucs Defense with a 51 yard grab, and did the same at Philadelphia in late November.

Giants Management likely believes Murphy has potential & was misused by two previous Franchises- Oakland & Carolina. Will compete with Jernigan for the 4th WR spot. Both haven't shown ability to contribute on ST Coverage units during their careers, so expect at least 1 to be inactive on a weekly basis.

Rounding out the receiving corps & the backup to Hakeem Nicks is Rueben Randle who will have a more prominent role in the offense during 2013.

Tight End- Jerry Reese & Marc Ross took a flyer on Martellus Bennett. Inconsistent player that disappeared for long stretches, he lacked the ability to stretch defenses vertically & put pressure on Safeties. Sharing an agent with DT Shaun Rogers, Bennett's tweet about players being temporary investments came the day following Rogers resigning. I conclude that during discussions of resigning Rogers, Reese expressed limited interest in retaining Martellus.

One of Kevin Gilbride's favorites, the resigning of versatile TE-FB Bear Pascoe returns at Veteran presence that contributes on multiple Special Teams Units.

The real question is Adrien Robinson's development. Inactive for the majority of 2012, Tight Ends Coach Mike Pope's ability to develop the 2012 4th Rounder could drastically change the outlook of the position group. Referred to by Jerry Reese as the "JPP of Tight Ends", hitting on this player would be a tremendous accomplishment from an evaluation & player development perspective.

Running Back- Andre Brown's November injury dealt a big blow to the running game. Giants placed Brown on newly implemented IR Eligible to Return List. As a RFA, Brown will return to complement 2012 First Rounder David Wilson. The rookie showed explosiveness as both returner & in the late season rotation in the backfield. The major area of improvement must come in pass protection, an area Ahmad Bradshaw excelled during his Giants career. To add depth, the Giants resigned Ryan Torain who will likely compete with Da'Rel Scott & potentially UDFAs during TC.

Henry Hynoski is a tremendous asset & his agents should be engaged about a potential longterm extension.

Offensive Line- An overhaul is underway. At tackle, David Diehl & Sean Locklear started in week 1, with Will Beatty relegated to the Third OT role. In the late first half of the Tampa Bay game, David Diehl was injured & Will Beatty assumed the LT position which he did not relinquish through the remainder of the season. The longest tenured Giant, Diehl returned week 6 at San Francisco in the 3rd Tackle-Tight End capacity.

After Locklear struggled against Dallas Week 8, Diehl was inserted at Starter vs. Pittsburgh & lost that position after the loss in Cincinnati. Locklear reclaimed the starting RT spot until a devastating knee injury in the 4th Quarter of the loss at Washington. Diehl struggled down the stretch but the Giants were hesitant to give James Brewer a shot at the position.

The inability to pass protect at Right Tackle hindered the ability of the offense to run developed routes, stretch defenses vertically & required leaving a TE in for help or sliding RB protection towards Diehl. Addressing this position is critical heading in 2012, and JR recognizes that. If Brewer is not prepared to start, FA targets should be considered. Of potentially, a drat target like D.J. Fluker is worth considering in Round 1.

At Guard, Snee returned to the Pro Bowl, but Boothe was really better in 2012. Utilized in the running game on Traps almost whenever the Giants ran to the Right Side, he showed great movement skills to kick out the end man on the line of scrimmage. JR appears to have drawn a line in the sand after reports emerged of major discrepancies on terms of his next contract. The options at LG should Boothe not return include a potential surprise starter whether it be a Reserve-Future player like Bryant Browning, or moving one of the younger linemen into the position.

Resigning Will Beatty was the priority & it came at a steep price. After 4 years of development, Beatty became a consistent LT at the right time. While the price tag was significant, you don't let players leave that have their Best Football ahead of them.

At Center, the Giants restructure David Bass' contract on a yearly basis. One of JRs FA misses, the 31 year old is not a liability but clearly not a strength.

Schematically, the Giants want to utilize strong 2-gapping Defense on 1st & 2nd Downs. Stop the run & force Offenses into 3rd & Longs requiring more than 3 step drops. In this situations, utilize the "Big Safety" Nickel package & "Race Car" Defensive Ends upfront. Play good zone coverage on the backend & generate turnovers.

Fewell moved away from press coverage in 2012 which was previously Corey Webster's strength. The backend struggled & Webster was the main culprit.

JR views plays from a unique numbered system that emphasizes versatility. This is no more evident than the prolonged experiment with Kiwanuka at SAM LB through his career.

1- Two Gapping Run Stopping Defensive Tackle. Big Body.
2- 4-3 Under Tackle with potential to Play Left End.
3- Base 4-3 Left End & Can move inside on 3rd & Long.
4. Base 4-3 Right End & Can move to Left End or ideally Inside on 3rd Down.
5. 4-3 Base Package SAM LB that moves to DL in Sub Packages.
6. 4-3 MIKE LB with Run Stopping Ability on 1st & 2nd Down.
7. 4-3 WILL LB that has coverage ability in Nickel Package. Can be a converted Safety.
8. Boundary Corners
9. Nickel Corners in Dime Package, Backups at Boundary Corner
10. FS that plays near the Line in "Big Safety Package"
11. Strong Safety in interchangeable safety positions.
12. Reserve Safeties w/ Ability to contribute as Core Special Teams Players.

Defining Personnel by Numbered System:

1- Shaun Rogers, Linval Joseph, Michael Jasper
2- Cullen Jenkins, Marvin Austin, Markus Kuhn
3- Justin Tuck, Mathias Kiwanuka, Justin Trattou
4- Jason Pierre-Paul, Adewale Ojomo
5- Adrian Tracy
6- Dan Connor, Spencer Paysinger, Mark Herzlich
7. Jacquian Williams, Keith Rivers, Jake Muasau
8- Corey Webster, Prince Amukamara, Aaron Ross
9- Jayron Hosley, Antonio Dennard, Buddy Jackson
10- Antrel Rolle, Will Hill, Terrell Thomas
11- Stevie Brown, Ryan Mundy
12- Tyler Sash

Signing Dan Connor is a tremendous move. Younger & more athletic in coverage than Blackburn. Jacquian Williams will become a featured player in the scheme during 2013. JR views him as similar to Bryan Scott, who he utilized effectively for years in Buffalo. The backup group of linebackers lack the ability to contribute. Keith Rivers could prove a smart resigning, but Herzlich is a liability & Paysinger is a Core STs player.

On the backend, Will Hill is a player that must be effectively utilized. He can play Safety, Corner or Big Safety. Showed flashes in 2012. Ryan Mundy's best games during his career were against read option teams. He's not a player you leave on the field for 3rd Down, but he shows an innate instinct for coming up against read option attacks. He'll contribute as a Core Special Teams player. Tyler Sash will be on the roster bubble heading into TC. Thomas must prove he's healthy & his speed will determine if/where he can contribute.

Corey Webster must have a better 2013, and he will based on last years performance. Amukamara must show he's comfortable on the boundary. I felt he was strong in 2012. Hosley must work his way into the rotation, as does Aaron Ross should Webster and/or Amukamara struggle.

Remaining UFA & Draft Priorities:

1. Pat Flaherty must find the solution on the Offensive Line. Could require an under the radar signing. Potential targets at Right Tackle include Barry Richardson, Will Svitek, Max Starks, Winston Justice. Potential Guard Targets- Antoine Caldwell, Matt Slauson, Eben Britton, or resigning Kevin Boothe.

2. Mike Pope must figure out the Tight End position. Does it require an additional veteran signing or is Adrien Robinson ready to emerge as the JPP of Tight Ends. You know what you're going to get out of Bear Pascoe, but he's not a threat to stretch defenses vertically. Finding this threat will take away defenses ability to bracket Cruz in Coverage. Potential UFA Targets- Fred Davis, David Thomas, Ben Watson.

3. The Run Defense must be improved & this has been emphasized by TC in postseason interviews. Adding Cullen Jenkins brings veteran stability flanking Linval Joseph (Entering FA Year). The question: Is Shaun Rogers healthy? And is Marvin Austin a Bust? With these two questions unanswered & questions about the ability to resign Linval longterm, a draft target should be considered. If the team isn't comfortable with the group & wants to maintain draft flexibility BPA, Sen'Derrick Marks, Corey Williams, Richard Seymour, Tony McDaniel & Alan Branch remain UFAs.

4. Adding depth at LB. If JR is not willing to spend a 1st or 2nd Rounder on an immediate impact LB, can the combination of Connor, Jacquian, Rivers, Paysinger & Herzlich provide consistent player?

Ideal Remainder of UFA:

Sign OG Antoine Caldwell -27- to 1 Year Deal.
Not comfortable letting multiple unproven players compete at LG. Even if Caldwell couldn't earn a starting spot in Houston, I've always felt Alabama Linemen are Man Blocking Scheme players. Look at James Carpenter in Seattle, simply cannot be a ZBS guy. This is a deal that could pay dividends.

Sign DT Tony McDaniel -28- to 1 Year Deal.

Sign LB Victor Butler -26- to 2 Year Deal.
Mulitiple teams are rumored interested, Butler would be better suited for a 4-3. Adds speed & youth to the LB corps.

1. D.J. Fluker OT Alabama or Alec Ogletree LB Georgia
2. Kawann Short DT Purdue or David Amerson CB N.C. State
3. Vance McDonald TE Rice or Gavin Escobar TE San Diego State
4. OT Reid Fragel Ohio State, Roger Gaines OT Tennessee State or LB Gerald Hodges Penn State
5. Montori Hughes DT Tennessee-Martin
I'm The guy who got shunned on FFs for arguing J.J. Watt should be selected 1st Overall in the 2011 Draft. I also thought Gabe Carimi would be a Perennial Pro Bowler. Live & Learn
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 17, 2013 4:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

One of the best posts in a long long time

Usually I read a few lines and that's it!

You, sir, must be a genius bc I agreed with it all Smile
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 17, 2013 5:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Applause Speechless. Wow.
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1st yr head coaches rarely see success their 1st yr, if at all.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 17, 2013 9:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Amazingly detailed.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 17, 2013 12:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great post thank you
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 17, 2013 2:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very impressive. A+ post.

I think the Giants have done pretty well for themselves this offseason. And we haven't even had the draft yet. I think we're gonna have a good football team next year
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 17, 2013 3:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great job on the evaluation. I think you hit the nail on the head on the breakdown.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 17, 2013 3:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Excellent job -- well thought. And it looks nothing like my rambling posts Laughing

I like Victor Butler alot. i think we did ok but we seem allergic to the speedy playmaker types on D.

Again, nice job Applause

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 17, 2013 4:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote


It's looking like you, Vikings & Rams will have two 1st rounders.
What will the Giants do with the 24th overall pick
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 17, 2013 4:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Excellent post, evaluated our draft and free agency tendencies. I wouldn't be surprised if OP is actually Jerry Reese lurking on our forums ... if that's the case I only have one thing to say, CUT DAVID DIEHL. Laughing
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aceinthehouse wrote:

It's looking like you, Vikings & Rams will have two 1st rounders.
What will the Giants do with the 24th overall pick

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 17, 2013 4:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Many Colts fans believe Cruz is going to the Colts.
He's apparently been spotted at Eagle Creek Airport.

With a 1st rd tender, you would get their 24th pick.
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Coby Smith twitter:
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 17, 2013 5:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's an Irsay quote, Colt fans were trying to crack.
One guy believes he did....

"Everyone stand buy,pour strong ur voodoo,Colts need the strength of it's nation to get this wopper in the boat! DO U UNDERSTAND!?"

Wopper= Large= Giant

in the boat= on a cruise= Cruz

Giant. Cruz.

Very interesting
Who knows what that drunk dude was
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 17, 2013 5:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anyways...just wanted to pass along this info.

Wasn't aware if you guys had heard this, or not.
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