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Nihc


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 16, 2013 1:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BP wrote:
thats subjective then, and i disagree with your personal assessments of desmond trufant. he doesn't do it for me on tape the way he does for you. there isn't necessarily going to be a single "good player" taken at any given position in the draft process. a lot these situations don't work out for people involved in management, coaching, advertisement, and playing. the nfl draft is a crapshoot, nothing is guaranteed. not even a single good player in a draft even! Laughing in other words, there doesn't have to be a good corner to come out of the draft this year... kind of getting a little too deep now but the point remains the same

also, you could use whatever your imagination creates. think harder... Wink


Well, I'm not the only one high on Trufant

Mike Loyko
Walter Cherepinsky
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BP


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 16, 2013 1:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nihc wrote:
BP wrote:
thats subjective then, and i disagree with your personal assessments of desmond trufant. he doesn't do it for me on tape the way he does for you. there isn't necessarily going to be a single "good player" taken at any given position in the draft process. a lot these situations don't work out for people involved in management, coaching, advertisement, and playing. the nfl draft is a crapshoot, nothing is guaranteed. not even a single good player in a draft even! Laughing in other words, there doesn't have to be a good corner to come out of the draft this year... kind of getting a little too deep now but the point remains the same

also, you could use whatever your imagination creates. think harder... Wink


Well, I'm not the only one high on Trufant

Mike Loyko
Walter Cherepinsky
no i know. you're certainly not. i wouldnt mind him he was there in the second but i just dont know about taking that guy in the first...
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BP


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 16, 2013 1:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BP wrote:
Nihc wrote:
BP wrote:
thats subjective then, and i disagree with your personal assessments of desmond trufant. he doesn't do it for me on tape the way he does for you. there isn't necessarily going to be a single "good player" taken at any given position in the draft process. a lot these situations don't work out for people involved in management, coaching, advertisement, and playing. the nfl draft is a crapshoot, nothing is guaranteed. not even a single good player in a draft even! Laughing in other words, there doesn't have to be a good corner to come out of the draft this year... kind of getting a little too deep now but the point remains the same

also, you could use whatever your imagination creates. think harder... Wink


Well, I'm not the only one high on Trufant

Mike Loyko
Walter Cherepinsky
no i know. you're certainly not. i wouldnt mind him he was there in the second but i just dont know about taking that guy in the first...
the more i look at it the more i could see it happening for the patriots if he were to fall to their pick in the first. the patriots might be a good fit for trufant, but he'd be a reach if taken anywhere inside the top 20.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 16, 2013 2:08 pm    Post subject: Re: Updated Team Needs? Reply with quote

JRT2006 wrote:
Hey Fellas,

After Recent Free Agency, I was wondering if you could help me on an updated list of Team Needs, this is what I have so far:

HIGH Priorities: (Possible Reach)
Feature Wide Receiver (Not a slot or Possession guy)
Slot Wide Receiver--NOT A NEED. They just gave Amendola 30 million to fill this role
Right Tackle
Guard Not a high priority need. Both starting guards are returning
43 Defensive End
Strong Safety Not a need. They just signed Adrian Wilson to a three year contract and the team believes in 2nd year player Tavon Wilson.
Cornerback

MEDIUM Priorities: (Wont reach)
Center
Possession Wide Receiver
43 Outside Linebacker
34 Outside Linebacker Not a need. The Patriots rarely play 34 defense anymore.
Strong Side Inside Linebacker Not a need. The Patriots rarely play 34 defense anymore.
Free Safety Not a need. Devin McCourty fills this role.

LOW Priorities: (Draft for depth)
Left Tackle
43 Defensive Tackle
34 Defensive Tackle

...Correct me on any mistakes please
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BP


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 16, 2013 2:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

as far as getting a feature receiver goes, why not wait for sammy watkins of clemson? josh huff reminds me of anquan boldin a little bit, he might be a future feature receiver in the pats offense. this all assuming lloyd is used as a 2 year rental and released or if sanders isn't signed

quick "feature receiver" priority list looking at the nfl draft, our current roster, and free agency:

1. sammy watkins (2014-'15 draft)
2. cordarrelle patterson (2013 draft)
3. josh huff (2014-'15 draft)
4. andre johnson (2015, ufa)
5. keenan allen (2013 draft)
6. brain quick (2016, ufa)
7. marquis lee (2014-'15 draft)
8. ty hilton (2016, ufa)
9. emmanuel sanders (2013, rfa)
10. josh gordan (2016, ufa)
11. hakeem nicks (2014, ufa)
12. brandon lloyd (2013 roster)
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JRT2006


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 16, 2013 4:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the input...this sparked a heck of a conversation..holy crap
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24isthelaw


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 16, 2013 4:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BP wrote:
Nihc wrote:
He had one of the best combines for a DB, he had an amazing Senior Bowl week, and has two brothers in the NFL. All the reports I've read on him say that UW left him on an island and he did fantastic. I've watched 4 games of him on youtube and was impressed, he plays the ball in the air and almost always has tight coverage. He could be Talib's replacement next year.


1. the combine is a test of vitals, not football players

2. senior bowl is merely one week of practice, you are going to invest so much more than you otherwise would based on one week of practice in a different environment? im not, no thanks, that's way too much weight given to a pre-draft scouting event that doesn't even correlate to elite or even average nfl production.

3. his ancestry means little to nothing. desmond trufant is his own person and will prove his worth based on his play, not the reputation of the relatives before him. the "NFL ties" players sometimes have leading up to the draft are storyline's; next to nothing else

4. all colleges with really athletic and semi competent football players, if they have one on a given year, will leave that guy on an island. i dont see any of these island cornerbacks in college retaining close to the same role at any points in their nfl career nor finding the success rate the statistics may have shown in collegiate games against 18-22 year olds; in essence kids, (i.e. unprofessional athletes).

5. youtube scouting ... enough said


Ok Mr. Professional scout....


Anyway, to the OP, you have DT way too low. The biggest needs are probably, in order:

DT
WR
CB
S
RT
DE
LB
OG
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BP


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 16, 2013 11:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

24isthelaw wrote:
BP wrote:
Nihc wrote:
He had one of the best combines for a DB, he had an amazing Senior Bowl week, and has two brothers in the NFL. All the reports I've read on him say that UW left him on an island and he did fantastic. I've watched 4 games of him on youtube and was impressed, he plays the ball in the air and almost always has tight coverage. He could be Talib's replacement next year.


1. the combine is a test of vitals, not football players

2. senior bowl is merely one week of practice, you are going to invest so much more than you otherwise would based on one week of practice in a different environment? im not, no thanks, that's way too much weight given to a pre-draft scouting event that doesn't even correlate to elite or even average nfl production.

3. his ancestry means little to nothing. desmond trufant is his own person and will prove his worth based on his play, not the reputation of the relatives before him. the "NFL ties" players sometimes have leading up to the draft are storyline's; next to nothing else

4. all colleges with really athletic and semi competent football players, if they have one on a given year, will leave that guy on an island. i dont see any of these island cornerbacks in college retaining close to the same role at any points in their nfl career nor finding the success rate the statistics may have shown in collegiate games against 18-22 year olds; in essence kids, (i.e. unprofessional athletes).

5. youtube scouting ... enough said


Ok Mr. Professional scout....


Anyway, to the OP, you have DT way too low. The biggest needs are probably, in order:

DT
WR
CB
S
RT
DE
LB
OG
did i really say that?
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mcmurtry86


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 8:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Pats don't have too many glaring needs outside of WR (both starting and depth). They could use upgrades at DE (most likely LE, though a high-end pass rush specialist could move Jones from RE to LE), RT (if Vollmer leaves) and DT (3-technique, unless they truly think Armond Armstead is their guy).

Long-term options and depth are needed at CB, SS and interior OL.
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