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PostPosted: Fri Mar 15, 2013 10:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Adrian Wilson really was not used in coverage last season (only 350 snaps in coverage). When he was in coverage, teams tended to throw at him (at least slightly more than they threw at Kerry Rhodes).
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The cardinals defense is quite different than the patriots, thouh. BB tends to play to players strengths. No matter what, there is just no way he is worse than steven gregory or tavon wilson
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 15, 2013 10:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NextBigThing wrote:
The cardinals defense is quite different than the patriots, thouh. BB tends to play to players strengths. No matter what, there is just no way he is worse than steven gregory or tavon wilson
If Adrian doesn't "un-decline" from last season and Tavon can cut down the huge mental errors (from two to zero), then I think Tavon's a better player.
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NextBigThing wrote:
The cardinals defense is quite different than the patriots, thouh. BB tends to play to players strengths. No matter what, there is just no way he is worse than steven gregory or tavon wilson


He was worse in coverage than either of those guys last year.

What was more of a problem for the Pats secondary the last 2 years: coverage or run support?

I can remember 3 or 4 really horrific run plays and dozens of bad pass plays. That's really my gripe here, not that Wilson is old, not that he's declining. His skill set just doesn't seem to address the fundamental problem the Pats safeties have had recently.
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mcmurtry86 wrote:
NextBigThing wrote:
The cardinals defense is quite different than the patriots, thouh. BB tends to play to players strengths. No matter what, there is just no way he is worse than steven gregory or tavon wilson


He was worse in coverage than either of those guys last year.

What was more of a problem for the Pats secondary the last 2 years: coverage or run support?

I can remember 3 or 4 really horrific run plays and dozens of bad pass plays. That's really my gripe here, not that Wilson is old, not that he's declining. His skill set just doesn't seem to address the fundamental problem the Pats safeties have had recently.


Well he was very good in coverage in 2011.

In 2011 he played 592 snaps in coverage (compared to 350 in 2012). In 2011 offenses threw at him once every 19.7 snaps when he was in coverage (compared to once every 13 snaps in 2012). So he declined last year.
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nextsuperstar wrote:
mcmurtry86 wrote:
NextBigThing wrote:
The cardinals defense is quite different than the patriots, thouh. BB tends to play to players strengths. No matter what, there is just no way he is worse than steven gregory or tavon wilson


He was worse in coverage than either of those guys last year.

What was more of a problem for the Pats secondary the last 2 years: coverage or run support?

I can remember 3 or 4 really horrific run plays and dozens of bad pass plays. That's really my gripe here, not that Wilson is old, not that he's declining. His skill set just doesn't seem to address the fundamental problem the Pats safeties have had recently.


Well he was very good in coverage in 2011.

In 2011 he played 592 snaps in coverage (compared to 350 in 2012). In 2011 offenses threw at him once every 19.7 snaps when he was in coverage (compared to once every 13 snaps in 2012). So he declined last year.


That doesnt mean he was any better in 2011. QBs may very well have been hesitant to test him.
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nextsuperstar wrote:
mcmurtry86 wrote:
NextBigThing wrote:
The cardinals defense is quite different than the patriots, thouh. BB tends to play to players strengths. No matter what, there is just no way he is worse than steven gregory or tavon wilson


He was worse in coverage than either of those guys last year.

What was more of a problem for the Pats secondary the last 2 years: coverage or run support?

I can remember 3 or 4 really horrific run plays and dozens of bad pass plays. That's really my gripe here, not that Wilson is old, not that he's declining. His skill set just doesn't seem to address the fundamental problem the Pats safeties have had recently.


Well he was very good in coverage in 2011.

In 2011 he played 592 snaps in coverage (compared to 350 in 2012). In 2011 offenses threw at him once every 19.7 snaps when he was in coverage (compared to once every 13 snaps in 2012). So he declined last year.


Because he was thrown at infrequently means he was very good in coverage? I'd put far more stake in that if he were a CB. As a strong safety, those numbers are pretty meaningless to me.
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mcmurtry86 wrote:
nextsuperstar wrote:
mcmurtry86 wrote:
NextBigThing wrote:
The cardinals defense is quite different than the patriots, thouh. BB tends to play to players strengths. No matter what, there is just no way he is worse than steven gregory or tavon wilson


He was worse in coverage than either of those guys last year.

What was more of a problem for the Pats secondary the last 2 years: coverage or run support?

I can remember 3 or 4 really horrific run plays and dozens of bad pass plays. That's really my gripe here, not that Wilson is old, not that he's declining. His skill set just doesn't seem to address the fundamental problem the Pats safeties have had recently.


Well he was very good in coverage in 2011.

In 2011 he played 592 snaps in coverage (compared to 350 in 2012). In 2011 offenses threw at him once every 19.7 snaps when he was in coverage (compared to once every 13 snaps in 2012). So he declined last year.


Because he was thrown at infrequently means he was very good in coverage? I'd put far more stake in that if he were a CB. As a strong safety, those numbers are pretty meaningless to me.


I think the fact that he was on the field for passing downs is the more significant stat, whereas this past year he was not on the field in passing situations.
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nextsuperstar wrote:
mcmurtry86 wrote:
nextsuperstar wrote:
mcmurtry86 wrote:
NextBigThing wrote:
The cardinals defense is quite different than the patriots, thouh. BB tends to play to players strengths. No matter what, there is just no way he is worse than steven gregory or tavon wilson


He was worse in coverage than either of those guys last year.

What was more of a problem for the Pats secondary the last 2 years: coverage or run support?

I can remember 3 or 4 really horrific run plays and dozens of bad pass plays. That's really my gripe here, not that Wilson is old, not that he's declining. His skill set just doesn't seem to address the fundamental problem the Pats safeties have had recently.


Well he was very good in coverage in 2011.

In 2011 he played 592 snaps in coverage (compared to 350 in 2012). In 2011 offenses threw at him once every 19.7 snaps when he was in coverage (compared to once every 13 snaps in 2012). So he declined last year.


Because he was thrown at infrequently means he was very good in coverage? I'd put far more stake in that if he were a CB. As a strong safety, those numbers are pretty meaningless to me.


I think the fact that he was on the field for passing downs is the more significant stat, whereas this past year he was not on the field in passing situations.


Steve Gregory was on the field for a lot of passing downs last year and he sucked. Sometimes guys who are weak in coverage are left out there because of name recognition, fear of change, lack of better alternatives etc.

Simply being out there doesn't tell us much other than he was the starting safety and the Cardinals didn't like subbing him out. Based on his reputation and the other guys on the roster, it's not too surprising.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 16, 2013 1:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like him as a player, despite his flaws. I generally agree with mccurty83's assessment of him, except I do think he could rebound from his horrific season. We will see, obviously the Patriots think he will

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 16, 2013 1:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cant go wrong with adrian wilson is my motto im wearing on my sleeve for the season. Very Happy happy about to root for this guy on the pats
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mcmurtry86 wrote:
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I wouldn't pin a rebound on the result of scheme adjustments - there's just a precedent for a player with a track record of high level performance moving to a contender late in their career and experiencing a resurgence, likely due to a re-commitment to the behaviors that made them successful in the first place. If his athleticism has truly waned, he'd done regardless, but if not...


That's the problem. He looked slow(er) last year and that's not something which a "re-commitment" is usually going to fix.


With that being said, Wilson is know as a freakish Athlete. Hopefully it is just a re-commitment thing.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 16, 2013 2:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another thing that I hadn't thought of until now is that he might cut some weight in order to regain a little speed. If he drops from his listed 230 to 220, he'd still be a really big safety, but get a little faster. It's what Ray Lewis did last season, and Wilson has the advantage of taking on a lot fewer blockers.
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HOVA333 wrote:
mcmurtry86 wrote:
Richter wrote:
I wouldn't pin a rebound on the result of scheme adjustments - there's just a precedent for a player with a track record of high level performance moving to a contender late in their career and experiencing a resurgence, likely due to a re-commitment to the behaviors that made them successful in the first place. If his athleticism has truly waned, he'd done regardless, but if not...


That's the problem. He looked slow(er) last year and that's not something which a "re-commitment" is usually going to fix.


With that being said, Wilson is know as a freakish Athlete. Hopefully it is just a re-commitment thing.
hence freakiness

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vL19q8yL54

age, weight, one down year, scheme, whatever. that wasn't that long ago and on top of the character of the man, wilson is an athlete who is going to BRING IT with new england
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 16, 2013 11:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Congratulations guys, 99%of Cards fans will tell you nothing but good about this guy. He has slowed down a bit but he is still a playmaker. He's a helluva player and an even better fighter. Great pickup guys!
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