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PostPosted: Thu Jun 13, 2013 11:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The Vikings were known to be pursuing the free-agent wide receiver but it didn’t come down to just money. Wallace’s father Mike Wallace III tells Jim Corbett of USA Today that his son turned down a $76 million offer from the Vikings.

Wallace went to the Miami Dolphins in a $60 million, five-year contract that included $30 million guaranteed. So, it wasn’t all about the money for Wallace.


http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Report-Vikings-made-76-million-offer-to-Mike-Wallace.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter


While I'm not sure what Tannehill offers more than Ponder, it makes sense.


Maybe it has nothing to do with Ponder or Tannehill. Maybe he wanted to play in a warm weather climate. Maybe he thought the night life was better. Maybe he liked the coaches. Maybe he liked the contract structure better. Maybe he didn't want to play second fiddle to Adrian Peterson.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 13, 2013 11:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm so glad Wallace didn't bite (if the report is true in the first place).
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 13, 2013 11:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

wcblack34 wrote:
twslhs20 wrote:
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The Vikings were known to be pursuing the free-agent wide receiver but it didn’t come down to just money. Wallace’s father Mike Wallace III tells Jim Corbett of USA Today that his son turned down a $76 million offer from the Vikings.

Wallace went to the Miami Dolphins in a $60 million, five-year contract that included $30 million guaranteed. So, it wasn’t all about the money for Wallace.


http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Report-Vikings-made-76-million-offer-to-Mike-Wallace.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter


While I'm not sure what Tannehill offers more than Ponder, it makes sense.


Maybe it has nothing to do with Ponder or Tannehill. Maybe he wanted to play in a warm weather climate. Maybe he thought the night life was better. Maybe he liked the coaches. Maybe he liked the contract structure better. Maybe he didn't want to play second fiddle to Adrian Peterson.


First of all we were a very balanced team. No ones playing second fiddle to anyone. I've already proven than.

Second I think those reason are plausible as well. Though I'd say the QB and scheme probably make more of a difference. As I said we were pretty balance and ponder is our QB. One of those, at least to me, would be a negative for a guy like Wallace's talent.

wcblack34 wrote:
You forgot to add "and pay 76 million dollars for a one-trick pony".


Haha. Silly uninformed people

People who say this haven't really watched the guy play. He doesn't just run go routes. His Post is one of the best in the game. He doesn't run many drag routes, but I don't think hes been asked to do so.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 13, 2013 11:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Playing second fiddle" has many meanings. Maybe he wants to be the "star" of the team. He has no hope of that with Peterson here.

Two routes do not make a route tree. Whether he can/will run drags and slants doesn't mean he has, and to throw 76 million at a player who has yet to show that he is a complete receiver is crazy. So please, continue with the ad hominems.
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First of all we were a very balanced team. No ones playing second fiddle to anyone. I've already proven than.


So you expected Mike Wallace to come in here and get the same number of opportunities as the NFL MVP?
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 13, 2013 12:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A balanced offense (atleast what we are trying to be)
A cold city
A Superstar already on the offense.

Yeah, I could see why he wouldn't want to come.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 13, 2013 12:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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First of all we were a very balanced team. No ones playing second fiddle to anyone. I've already proven than.


So you expected Mike Wallace to come in here and get the same number of opportunities as the NFL MVP?


Absolutely.

48.55% of last years plays were running. 42.16% if you take away Ponders scrambles that were actual designed run plays.

Factoring in that money, and being our #1 WR, Wallace would be on the field for the majority of 1st-3rd downs. So he would essentially be on the field with Peterson during as many, if not more, plays.

wcblack34 wrote:
"Playing second fiddle" has many meanings. Maybe he wants to be the "star" of the team. He has no hope of that with Peterson here.

Two routes do not make a route tree. Whether he can/will run drags and slants doesn't mean he has, and to throw 76 million at a player who has yet to show that he is a complete receiver is crazy. So please, continue with the ad hominems.


Just because he hasn't not been asked to do so, does not mean he can't. Argument works both ways.

56.11% of Pittsburgh offense was passing plays.

Leaders by receptions-% passing yards

Miller-71-21.55%
Brown-66-20.78%
Wallace-64-22.08%
Sanders-44-16.53%

After sanders their is a steep drop off. This really shows two think. How well Ben really distributes the ball. Also it shows that, even though Wallace had a statistical down year, the next best receiving threat on that team was a TE.

Wallace made the most of his opportunities as a WR as he was also tied with Miller with 8TDs apiece.Rudolph steamrolled everyone with 9.

So even if Wallace is indeed a one trick pony. It's a hell of a neat trick.
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A balanced offense (atleast what we are trying to be)
A cold city
A Superstar already on the offense.

Yeah, I could see why he wouldn't want to come.


Good god what kind of ego do you all think this guy has?

Clearly, on passing plays, Wallace would be the focal point in MIA and MIN.

To me the answer is obvious.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 13, 2013 5:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank god for the Vikings he rejected that deal.
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http://www.vikings.com/media-vault/videos/NFLN-Greg-Jennings-Handstand-Challenge/5e875abd-1f03-440c-b5fb-ce9360094feb
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 13, 2013 6:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As a young athlete with a lot of money, the decision to choose to live in the city of Miami versus just staying in the city of Minneapolis for game day/practice isnt hard to understand. I believe Wallace lived in Miami while in Pitt., but i could be wrong.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 13, 2013 7:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nope. Ponder sucks and Spielman's incompetent, that's all it could possibly be.
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twslhs20 wrote:
SteelKing728 wrote:
A balanced offense (atleast what we are trying to be)
A cold city
A Superstar already on the offense.

Yeah, I could see why he wouldn't want to come.


Good god what kind of ego do you all think this guy has?

Clearly, on passing plays, Wallace would be the focal point in MIA and MIN.

To me the answer is obvious.


Let me guess, a "better" QB in Ryan Tannehill?

Even though thats not true. What does he have to offer that Ponder doesn't have?

I'll take another guess...He can throw the ball 60 yards. So in other words, he can throw the ball 5-10 yards further than Ponder.

yeah, it sure was an "obvious" choice. sigh
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 13, 2013 10:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

twslhs20 wrote:
Clearly, on passing plays, Wallace would be the focal point in MIA and MIN.

To me the answer is obvious.

well, it's obvious to me that an anti-Ponder bias is playing in to your analysis. seeing Wallace's father said:

"[The Vikings] had come to the point where they were telling him, 'You don't have to live here, just be here during the season. He wanted to get out of the snow and cold weather."

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/eye-on-football/21966165/mike-wallaces-dad-vikings-offered-more-money-than-dolphins


but hey, we already learned earlier with Harvin being recently supportive of Ponder that as fans we don't have to pay attention to direct quotes if they don't support our point of view.

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As suspected, like many high profile free agents, it seems unlikely for these players to choose to play for the Vikes. In part due to the weather. If you didnt grow up in this region, the likelihood of actually wanting to live in Minneapolis is probably remote considering the alternatives.

Greg Jennings was an exception to the cold weather issue given that he was from Michigan and played in GB. He obviously was comfortable with the upper midwest lifestyle.
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