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PossibleCabbage


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 4:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Finally: https://twitter.com/robdemovsky/status/313748883392045056

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Actually, Hawk's pay went from $5.45 million in 2013 to $3.6 million. Cap number from $7.05 million to $5.2 million


https://twitter.com/tomsilverstein/status/313749374712836096
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#Packers LB A.J. Hawk takes reduction of $1.85 million in '13, $2.45 million in '14 and $2.75 million in '15.


So not too complicated for Twitter!


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 4:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

blankman0021 wrote:
PossibleCabbage wrote:
https://twitter.com/robdemovsky/status/313747250633404417

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#Packers cut A.J. Hawk's salary cap number nearly in half for this season, from $7.05 million to $3.6 million, per a source. Details to folo[sic]


Wonder if we pushed any money into next years cap, or if it was a pure re-working of his contract. Which is usually pretty rare.


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RT @TomSilverstein LB A.J. Hawk had his '13 salary reduced to $3.6 million, but $2.21 million of it will be guaranteed.
He wasn't going to make that type of money with anyone else, either. We give him job security for cap relief
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 4:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cap numbers for Hawk.
2013: $5.2m
2014: $5.1m
2015: $5.3m
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 4:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tom silverstein ‏@TomSilverstein

#Packers stand at roughly $19.8 million underneath the salary cap.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 4:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PossibleCabbage wrote:
Cap numbers for Hawk.
2013: $5.2m
2014: $5.1m
2015: $5.3m


Seems pretty reasonable for a consistent (albeit not great) player like Hawk. Say what you want about him not living up to being the #5 overall pick, but he has rarely missed any time which is something a lot of our other players can't say. Just out of curiosity, does anyone know how this compares to other ILB around the league? Also, with almost $20 million in cap free I assume we're working on some extensions?
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 5:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

you know it just dawned on me...

Andrew Brandt said that teams often don't ask a player to take a pay cut unless they have full intentions of releasing him (in case the player says no)

in this case AJ hawk said yes... but assuming TT knows how the game works, i wonder if he hoped hawk would say no so the decision to cut him is cut & dry

then again TT doesn't play by the rules... if he didnt want hawk he would have just cut him without requesting a paycut

& considering hawk has sort of been through this before (when he was cut only to be resigned to a lesser contract)... Its obvious AJ & the FO have a considerable amount of respect/good business relationship.

what AJ has done over the years within the packers financially is truly unselfish (way way way beyond the restructure that Brady agreed) when you consider what nearly every other player has/would have done in the same position... on top of accepting a lesser role

ill say this this... AJ will never live up to the hype of where he was drafted but this guy truly wants to be a packer based on his actions

you guys want a packer to root for whose here because he actually wants to be & $ is as little of a factor to a pro athlete as it can be. then AJ Hawk is your guy. hes essentially a packer fan playing for the packers... hes actually doing what all of us claim we would do if put in the same position. as a man who works a typical day job in an office its hard for me not to respect AJ right now regardless of how much more he makes than me to have a childs dream job
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 6:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Spotrac is reporting different numbers (and they show a change in bonuses numbers this season).

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Restructured 2013 base salary from $4.9M to $3.6M; 2014 base salary from $4.9M to $3.5M; 2015 base salary from $5.4M to $3.6M with Green Bay.

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Before
       Year       Base    Signing     Roster  Workout  Misc    Cap Hit
       2011  1,150,000  1,600,000  1,800,000                 4,550,000
       2012  4,400,000  1,600,000    300,000  250,000        6,550,000
       2013  4,900,000  1,600,000    300,000  250,000        7,050,000
       2014  4,900,000  1,600,000    800,000  250,000        7,550,000
       2015  5,400,000  1,600,000    800,000  250,000        8,050,000
 33,750,000             8,000,000                            4,800,000

After
       Year       Base    Signing     Roster  Workout  Misc    Cap Hit
       2011  1,150,000  1,600,000  1,800,000                 4,550,000
       2012  4,400,000  1,600,000    300,000  250,000        6,550,000
       2013  3,600,000  1,600,000                            5,200,000
       2014  3,500,000  1,600,000    800,000  250,000        6,150,000
       2015  3,600,000  1,600,000    800,000  250,000        6,250,000
 28,700,000             8,000,000                            4,800,000


Maybe by tonight everyone can agree on something.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 6:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i'm happy with this. hawk has his flaws, but is not a bad player. that being said, i still would be completely okay with upgrading. if ogletree falls to our pick i hope TT is all over him.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 7:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

driftwood wrote:
you know it just dawned on me...

Andrew Brandt said that teams often don't ask a player to take a pay cut unless they have full intentions of releasing him (in case the player says no)

in this case AJ hawk said yes... but assuming TT knows how the game works, i wonder if he hoped hawk would say no so the decision to cut him is cut & dry

then again TT doesn't play by the rules... if he didnt want hawk he would have just cut him without requesting a paycut

& considering hawk has sort of been through this before (when he was cut only to be resigned to a lesser contract)... Its obvious AJ & the FO have a considerable amount of respect/good business relationship.

what AJ has done over the years within the packers financially is truly unselfish (way way way beyond the restructure that Brady agreed) when you consider what nearly every other player has/would have done in the same position... on top of accepting a lesser role

ill say this this... AJ will never live up to the hype of where he was drafted but this guy truly wants to be a packer based on his actions

you guys want a packer to root for whose here because he actually wants to be & $ is as little of a factor to a pro athlete as it can be. then AJ Hawk is your guy. hes essentially a packer fan playing for the packers... hes actually doing what all of us claim we would do if put in the same position. as a man who works a typical day job in an office its hard for me not to respect AJ right now regardless of how much more he makes than me to have a childs dream job


I don't think it was in the plans to cut him.

We're looking to clear space anywhere we can for the extensions coming up.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 7:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

driftwood wrote:
you know it just dawned on me...

Andrew Brandt said that teams often don't ask a player to take a pay cut unless they have full intentions of releasing him (in case the player says no)

in this case AJ hawk said yes... but assuming TT knows how the game works, i wonder if he hoped hawk would say no so the decision to cut him is cut & dry

then again TT doesn't play by the rules... if he didnt want hawk he would have just cut him without requesting a paycut

& considering hawk has sort of been through this before (when he was cut only to be resigned to a lesser contract)... Its obvious AJ & the FO have a considerable amount of respect/good business relationship.

what AJ has done over the years within the packers financially is truly unselfish (way way way beyond the restructure that Brady agreed) when you consider what nearly every other player has/would have done in the same position... on top of accepting a lesser role

ill say this this... AJ will never live up to the hype of where he was drafted but this guy truly wants to be a packer based on his actions

you guys want a packer to root for whose here because he actually wants to be & $ is as little of a factor to a pro athlete as it can be. then AJ Hawk is your guy. hes essentially a packer fan playing for the packers... hes actually doing what all of us claim we would do if put in the same position. as a man who works a typical day job in an office its hard for me not to respect AJ right now regardless of how much more he makes than me to have a childs dream job


When Woodson was cut his agent said that they were not approached about a paycut.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 7:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

GBPackers79 wrote:
I don't think it was in the plans to cut him.


I do think, however, that Hawk's agent's angle on this is that A.J.'s number might eventually become prohibitive and cutting him would be attractive financially, so they decided to take a pay-cut in exchange for more or that money being guaranteed (thereby achieving job security.)
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 8:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kampman74 wrote:
driftwood wrote:
you know it just dawned on me...

Andrew Brandt said that teams often don't ask a player to take a pay cut unless they have full intentions of releasing him (in case the player says no)

in this case AJ hawk said yes... but assuming TT knows how the game works, i wonder if he hoped hawk would say no so the decision to cut him is cut & dry

then again TT doesn't play by the rules... if he didnt want hawk he would have just cut him without requesting a paycut

& considering hawk has sort of been through this before (when he was cut only to be resigned to a lesser contract)... Its obvious AJ & the FO have a considerable amount of respect/good business relationship.

what AJ has done over the years within the packers financially is truly unselfish (way way way beyond the restructure that Brady agreed) when you consider what nearly every other player has/would have done in the same position... on top of accepting a lesser role

ill say this this... AJ will never live up to the hype of where he was drafted but this guy truly wants to be a packer based on his actions

you guys want a packer to root for whose here because he actually wants to be & $ is as little of a factor to a pro athlete as it can be. then AJ Hawk is your guy. hes essentially a packer fan playing for the packers... hes actually doing what all of us claim we would do if put in the same position. as a man who works a typical day job in an office its hard for me not to respect AJ right now regardless of how much more he makes than me to have a childs dream job


When Woodson was cut his agent said that they were not approached about a paycut.


unfortunately for woodson he showed signs of depreciation on the field... hawk is still the same player... very steady his entire career as far as ability (only thing that's changed was PT he saw on-field )
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 8:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dijatool wrote:
Spotrac is reporting different numbers (and they show a change in bonuses numbers this season).

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Restructured 2013 base salary from $4.9M to $3.6M; 2014 base salary from $4.9M to $3.5M; 2015 base salary from $5.4M to $3.6M with Green Bay.

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Before
       Year       Base    Signing     Roster  Workout  Misc    Cap Hit
       2011  1,150,000  1,600,000  1,800,000                 4,550,000
       2012  4,400,000  1,600,000    300,000  250,000        6,550,000
       2013  4,900,000  1,600,000    300,000  250,000        7,050,000
       2014  4,900,000  1,600,000    800,000  250,000        7,550,000
       2015  5,400,000  1,600,000    800,000  250,000        8,050,000
 33,750,000             8,000,000                            4,800,000

After
       Year       Base    Signing     Roster  Workout  Misc    Cap Hit
       2011  1,150,000  1,600,000  1,800,000                 4,550,000
       2012  4,400,000  1,600,000    300,000  250,000        6,550,000
       2013  3,600,000  1,600,000                            5,200,000
       2014  3,500,000  1,600,000    800,000  250,000        6,150,000
       2015  3,600,000  1,600,000    800,000  250,000        6,250,000
 28,700,000             8,000,000                            4,800,000


Maybe by tonight everyone can agree on something.


Pretty sure all those Roster and Workout bonuses have been wiped out. The only guarantee left is about 2.2 of his base this year, leaving us with 3.2 in dead money if we want to cut him in 2014.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 9:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Applause Applause Applause

Classy move by A.J. Hawk, and a shrewd move by our front office. This will help keep the nucleus of this team together for a long time. We may have not landed our big name FA in Jackson, but moves like this will keep our best and brightest in Green Bay.
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the GB Press Gazette reported different numbers:
http://www.packersnews.com/article/20130318/PKR0101/130318057/Hawk-s-pay-cut-7-25M-over-3-years

Base: 840k (13), 2.45 mil (14+15)
roster bonus: 2.21 mil (13, guarenteed), 500k (14+15)
annual workout bonus of 250k + gameday active bonus of 18.750 per game = 300k per year

cap numbers:
2013: 5.2 mil
2014: 5.1 mil
2015: 5.1 mil
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