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justo
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| blankman0021 wrote: | | PossibleCabbage wrote: | https://twitter.com/robdemovsky/status/313747250633404417
| Quote: | | #Packers cut A.J. Hawk's salary cap number nearly in half for this season, from $7.05 million to $3.6 million, per a source. Details to folo[sic] |
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Wonder if we pushed any money into next years cap, or if it was a pure re-working of his contract. Which is usually pretty rare. |
| Quote: | | RT @TomSilverstein LB A.J. Hawk had his '13 salary reduced to $3.6 million, but $2.21 million of it will be guaranteed. |
He wasn't going to make that type of money with anyone else, either. We give him job security for cap relief
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PossibleCabbage
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Cap numbers for Hawk.
2013: $5.2m
2014: $5.1m
2015: $5.3m |
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GBPackers79
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#Packers stand at roughly $19.8 million underneath the salary cap.
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| PossibleCabbage wrote: | Cap numbers for Hawk.
2013: $5.2m
2014: $5.1m
2015: $5.3m |
Seems pretty reasonable for a consistent (albeit not great) player like Hawk. Say what you want about him not living up to being the #5 overall pick, but he has rarely missed any time which is something a lot of our other players can't say. Just out of curiosity, does anyone know how this compares to other ILB around the league? Also, with almost $20 million in cap free I assume we're working on some extensions?
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driftwood
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you know it just dawned on me...
Andrew Brandt said that teams often don't ask a player to take a pay cut unless they have full intentions of releasing him (in case the player says no)
in this case AJ hawk said yes... but assuming TT knows how the game works, i wonder if he hoped hawk would say no so the decision to cut him is cut & dry
then again TT doesn't play by the rules... if he didnt want hawk he would have just cut him without requesting a paycut
& considering hawk has sort of been through this before (when he was cut only to be resigned to a lesser contract)... Its obvious AJ & the FO have a considerable amount of respect/good business relationship.
what AJ has done over the years within the packers financially is truly unselfish (way way way beyond the restructure that Brady agreed) when you consider what nearly every other player has/would have done in the same position... on top of accepting a lesser role
ill say this this... AJ will never live up to the hype of where he was drafted but this guy truly wants to be a packer based on his actions
you guys want a packer to root for whose here because he actually wants to be & $ is as little of a factor to a pro athlete as it can be. then AJ Hawk is your guy. hes essentially a packer fan playing for the packers... hes actually doing what all of us claim we would do if put in the same position. as a man who works a typical day job in an office its hard for me not to respect AJ right now regardless of how much more he makes than me to have a childs dream job |
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dijatool
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Spotrac is reporting different numbers (and they show a change in bonuses numbers this season).
| Quote: | | Restructured 2013 base salary from $4.9M to $3.6M; 2014 base salary from $4.9M to $3.5M; 2015 base salary from $5.4M to $3.6M with Green Bay. |
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Before
Year Base Signing Roster Workout Misc Cap Hit
2011 1,150,000 1,600,000 1,800,000 4,550,000
2012 4,400,000 1,600,000 300,000 250,000 6,550,000
2013 4,900,000 1,600,000 300,000 250,000 7,050,000
2014 4,900,000 1,600,000 800,000 250,000 7,550,000
2015 5,400,000 1,600,000 800,000 250,000 8,050,000
33,750,000 8,000,000 4,800,000
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Year Base Signing Roster Workout Misc Cap Hit
2011 1,150,000 1,600,000 1,800,000 4,550,000
2012 4,400,000 1,600,000 300,000 250,000 6,550,000
2013 3,600,000 1,600,000 5,200,000
2014 3,500,000 1,600,000 800,000 250,000 6,150,000
2015 3,600,000 1,600,000 800,000 250,000 6,250,000
28,700,000 8,000,000 4,800,000
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ajhawk5047
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i'm happy with this. hawk has his flaws, but is not a bad player. that being said, i still would be completely okay with upgrading. if ogletree falls to our pick i hope TT is all over him.
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GBPackers79
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| driftwood wrote: | you know it just dawned on me...
Andrew Brandt said that teams often don't ask a player to take a pay cut unless they have full intentions of releasing him (in case the player says no)
in this case AJ hawk said yes... but assuming TT knows how the game works, i wonder if he hoped hawk would say no so the decision to cut him is cut & dry
then again TT doesn't play by the rules... if he didnt want hawk he would have just cut him without requesting a paycut
& considering hawk has sort of been through this before (when he was cut only to be resigned to a lesser contract)... Its obvious AJ & the FO have a considerable amount of respect/good business relationship.
what AJ has done over the years within the packers financially is truly unselfish (way way way beyond the restructure that Brady agreed) when you consider what nearly every other player has/would have done in the same position... on top of accepting a lesser role
ill say this this... AJ will never live up to the hype of where he was drafted but this guy truly wants to be a packer based on his actions
you guys want a packer to root for whose here because he actually wants to be & $ is as little of a factor to a pro athlete as it can be. then AJ Hawk is your guy. hes essentially a packer fan playing for the packers... hes actually doing what all of us claim we would do if put in the same position. as a man who works a typical day job in an office its hard for me not to respect AJ right now regardless of how much more he makes than me to have a childs dream job |
I don't think it was in the plans to cut him.
We're looking to clear space anywhere we can for the extensions coming up.
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Kampman74
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| driftwood wrote: | you know it just dawned on me...
Andrew Brandt said that teams often don't ask a player to take a pay cut unless they have full intentions of releasing him (in case the player says no)
in this case AJ hawk said yes... but assuming TT knows how the game works, i wonder if he hoped hawk would say no so the decision to cut him is cut & dry
then again TT doesn't play by the rules... if he didnt want hawk he would have just cut him without requesting a paycut
& considering hawk has sort of been through this before (when he was cut only to be resigned to a lesser contract)... Its obvious AJ & the FO have a considerable amount of respect/good business relationship.
what AJ has done over the years within the packers financially is truly unselfish (way way way beyond the restructure that Brady agreed) when you consider what nearly every other player has/would have done in the same position... on top of accepting a lesser role
ill say this this... AJ will never live up to the hype of where he was drafted but this guy truly wants to be a packer based on his actions
you guys want a packer to root for whose here because he actually wants to be & $ is as little of a factor to a pro athlete as it can be. then AJ Hawk is your guy. hes essentially a packer fan playing for the packers... hes actually doing what all of us claim we would do if put in the same position. as a man who works a typical day job in an office its hard for me not to respect AJ right now regardless of how much more he makes than me to have a childs dream job |
When Woodson was cut his agent said that they were not approached about a paycut. |
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PossibleCabbage
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| GBPackers79 wrote: | | I don't think it was in the plans to cut him. |
I do think, however, that Hawk's agent's angle on this is that A.J.'s number might eventually become prohibitive and cutting him would be attractive financially, so they decided to take a pay-cut in exchange for more or that money being guaranteed (thereby achieving job security.) |
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driftwood
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| Kampman74 wrote: | | driftwood wrote: | you know it just dawned on me...
Andrew Brandt said that teams often don't ask a player to take a pay cut unless they have full intentions of releasing him (in case the player says no)
in this case AJ hawk said yes... but assuming TT knows how the game works, i wonder if he hoped hawk would say no so the decision to cut him is cut & dry
then again TT doesn't play by the rules... if he didnt want hawk he would have just cut him without requesting a paycut
& considering hawk has sort of been through this before (when he was cut only to be resigned to a lesser contract)... Its obvious AJ & the FO have a considerable amount of respect/good business relationship.
what AJ has done over the years within the packers financially is truly unselfish (way way way beyond the restructure that Brady agreed) when you consider what nearly every other player has/would have done in the same position... on top of accepting a lesser role
ill say this this... AJ will never live up to the hype of where he was drafted but this guy truly wants to be a packer based on his actions
you guys want a packer to root for whose here because he actually wants to be & $ is as little of a factor to a pro athlete as it can be. then AJ Hawk is your guy. hes essentially a packer fan playing for the packers... hes actually doing what all of us claim we would do if put in the same position. as a man who works a typical day job in an office its hard for me not to respect AJ right now regardless of how much more he makes than me to have a childs dream job |
When Woodson was cut his agent said that they were not approached about a paycut. |
unfortunately for woodson he showed signs of depreciation on the field... hawk is still the same player... very steady his entire career as far as ability (only thing that's changed was PT he saw on-field ) |
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RashaanSalaami
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| dijatool wrote: | Spotrac is reporting different numbers (and they show a change in bonuses numbers this season).
| Quote: | | Restructured 2013 base salary from $4.9M to $3.6M; 2014 base salary from $4.9M to $3.5M; 2015 base salary from $5.4M to $3.6M with Green Bay. |
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Before
Year Base Signing Roster Workout Misc Cap Hit
2011 1,150,000 1,600,000 1,800,000 4,550,000
2012 4,400,000 1,600,000 300,000 250,000 6,550,000
2013 4,900,000 1,600,000 300,000 250,000 7,050,000
2014 4,900,000 1,600,000 800,000 250,000 7,550,000
2015 5,400,000 1,600,000 800,000 250,000 8,050,000
33,750,000 8,000,000 4,800,000
After
Year Base Signing Roster Workout Misc Cap Hit
2011 1,150,000 1,600,000 1,800,000 4,550,000
2012 4,400,000 1,600,000 300,000 250,000 6,550,000
2013 3,600,000 1,600,000 5,200,000
2014 3,500,000 1,600,000 800,000 250,000 6,150,000
2015 3,600,000 1,600,000 800,000 250,000 6,250,000
28,700,000 8,000,000 4,800,000
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Maybe by tonight everyone can agree on something. |
Pretty sure all those Roster and Workout bonuses have been wiped out. The only guarantee left is about 2.2 of his base this year, leaving us with 3.2 in dead money if we want to cut him in 2014.
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Classy move by A.J. Hawk, and a shrewd move by our front office. This will help keep the nucleus of this team together for a long time. We may have not landed our big name FA in Jackson, but moves like this will keep our best and brightest in Green Bay.
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