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NextBigThing


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 16, 2013 4:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Wait, how do waiver impact the Sanders situation? Do the Pats "lose out" on signing him if a team lower in the waiver order files an offer sheet?


I believe it is a time limit thing. They will not be able to make an offer until the Friday before the NFL draft IIRC.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 16, 2013 4:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Billy Spikes wrote:
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PIT received no offer sheet on Sanders from Pats as 4pm waiver deadline passed. Waivers exist on Sun this time of year, too. stay tuned


http://twitter.com/JasonLaCanfora/statuses/313018108715601920


Wait, how do waiver impact the Sanders situation? Do the Pats "lose out" on signing him if a team lower in the waiver order files an offer sheet?


I took it as meaning that all league business has to be received by 4 PM. So, as of 4 PM today (the close of the league office?) no paperwork had been filed. Therefore any official offer sheet couldn't happen until tomorrow.

At this point, I'm skeptical that it will happen. But they might just trying to get their proverbial financial ducks in a row with all the moves they've made and have interest in making.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 16, 2013 4:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

^There is a deadline for what guys who have been tendered can be offered contracts from other teams, per la conforna.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 16, 2013 4:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Pats have basically another month to do anything on Sanders. Makes sense to let the Steelers spend more money.
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GM Kevin Colbert says Steelers haven't gotten an offer sheet from NE for Sanders. That means Sanders hasn't signed anything.


http://twitter.com/BobLabriola/statuses/313359698344689664
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 17, 2013 2:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NextBigThing wrote:
^There is a deadline for what guys who have been tendered can be offered contracts from other teams, per la conforna.


That deadline is always a week before the draft. That's the last day a team can offer an offer sheet
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 17, 2013 3:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So I suppose it makes sense to wait it out a bit. Either Pittsburgh keeps spending money (therefore making it harder to match) or they try to set aside some cash in anticipation of matching an offer and watch players they want sign with other teams.

However, making their interest known could make another team jump into the fray and snatch him up.

I looked back at his combine stats and they were pretty impressive. 6.60 3 cone drill, 39.5 in vertical, and ran the same 4.41 as Taylor Price did that year. I wonder if he was higher up on the Patriots board than Price was and that's what is getting them interested.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 17, 2013 4:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

How much cap space do the Steelers have?
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How much cap space do the Steelers have?


About $12-13M, excluding the recent Gradowski and Foster signings
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 17, 2013 5:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sooooo not much less than us.
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NextBigThing wrote:
Sooooo not much less than us.


Yeah. Pats probably have to front load the deal in year 1 and 2 (depending on how much cap the Steelers have in 2014). With all the restructuring and putting money in the future years, they might be in cap hell again.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 17, 2013 8:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mcmurtry86 wrote:
NinjaZX6R wrote:
How much cap space do the Steelers have?


About $12-13M, excluding the recent Gradowski and Foster signings


Spotrac says they only have 2,749,617 under the cap.
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nextsuperstar wrote:
mcmurtry86 wrote:
NinjaZX6R wrote:
How much cap space do the Steelers have?


About $12-13M, excluding the recent Gradowski and Foster signings


Spotrac says they only have 2,749,617 under the cap.


Yeah they updated at some point today, adding Gradowksi, Foster and the RFA tenders.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 4:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am really not sure if I like this potential move.

A lot of people are claiming the 3rd wouldn't be a lost cause as our track record with them isn't great. Well, if that's the case, why not use it to trade up in the 1st to grab a higher rated prospect, or trade it into next year for a 2nd.

Sanders hasn't been spectacular by any stretch since coming into the NFL. So I don't think the 3rd is worth it, in that sense. I would much rather trade down into the 4th and 5th (like we did with Oakland a couple seasons ago) where we tend to have better success.
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TomRalph wrote:
I am really not sure if I like this potential move.

A lot of people are claiming the 3rd wouldn't be a lost cause as our track record with them isn't great. Well, if that's the case, why not use it to trade up in the 1st to grab a higher rated prospect, or trade it into next year for a 2nd.

Sanders hasn't been spectacular by any stretch since coming into the NFL. So I don't think the 3rd is worth it, in that sense. I would much rather trade down into the 4th and 5th (like we did with Oakland a couple seasons ago) where we tend to have better success.


The argument for trading the third rounder is less that the Pats have had limited success in that round but that league-wide it is tough to find players who are end up as successful as Sanders has already been.

Fourth and fifth round picks are even less successful. The chances of finding someone as successful as Sanders has shown to be are maybe 1 out of 5.
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