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PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 11:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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D jones is fine but if you're really searching for that David givens 2.0 I think Josh boyce in the 4th could be your guy


Boyce seems more like a burner with the upside to work the intermediate part of the field. Don't think he offers the same upside that Jones has. Boyce also is a pretty good wideout (hands, routes, etc.)
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 11:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

24isthelaw wrote:
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D jones is fine but if you're really searching for that David givens 2.0 I think Josh boyce in the 4th could be your guy


Boyce seems more like a burner with the upside to work the intermediate part of the field. Don't think he offers the same upside that Jones has. Boyce also is a pretty good wideout (hands, routes, etc.)
Of course I think Boyce is a good receiver... I considered givens a good receiver too. I felt all three guys had/have the same type of ceiling as far as potential contributions to the patriots and Tom Brady go
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 11:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

24isthelaw wrote:
BP wrote:
D jones is fine but if you're really searching for that David givens 2.0 I think Josh boyce in the 4th could be your guy


Boyce seems more like a burner with the upside to work the intermediate part of the field. Don't think he offers the same upside that Jones has. Boyce also is a pretty good wideout (hands, routes, etc.)

I know I've been absent for a while, but Boyce has been my top target for quite a while. My favorite receiver in the draft, and when he blazed that sub 4.4 at the combine, I had him pegged as the best value in the draft. Clutch player with some big game winning and tying touchdowns on his resume, can stretch a defense and is versatile. One of my favorite players in this entire draft.
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BP wrote:
24isthelaw wrote:
BP wrote:
D jones is fine but if you're really searching for that David givens 2.0 I think Josh boyce in the 4th could be your guy


Boyce seems more like a burner with the upside to work the intermediate part of the field. Don't think he offers the same upside that Jones has. Boyce also is a pretty good wideout (hands, routes, etc.)
Of course I think Boyce is a good receiver... I considered givens a good receiver too. I felt all three guys had/have the same type of ceiling as far as potential contributions to the patriots and Tom Brady go


I'm not sure they're quite the same style. I see Boyce as more of a slot guy who can play outside, whereas Givens was more of a perimeter guy who could work inside (if that makes sense?).

I do like Boyce as a mid/late rounder.
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^seems like he operates on the outside more often than the slot. I also like his long speed more than his short area quickness

Boyce from TCU is decent, he had easily the most misleading 40 time of the combine. He got caught from behind on a bunch of plays
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^seems like he operates on the outside more often than the slot. I also like his long speed more than his short area quickness

Boyce from TCU is decent, he had easily the most misleading 40 time of the combine. He got caught from behind on a bunch of plays


How can an electronic time be misleading Confused
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NextBigThing wrote:
^seems like he operates on the outside more often than the slot. I also like his long speed more than his short area quickness

Boyce from TCU is decent, he had easily the most misleading 40 time of the combine. He got caught from behind on a bunch of plays


How can an electronic time be misleading Confused


One would expect a guy who runs a 4.3 at the combine to have similar speed in games ?

4.3 combine times are top 10% there. Boyce does not have top 10% speed on the field. Doesnt look close from the - brief- sampling of him I have seen.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 11:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mcmurtry86 wrote:
BP wrote:
24isthelaw wrote:
BP wrote:
D jones is fine but if you're really searching for that David givens 2.0 I think Josh boyce in the 4th could be your guy


Boyce seems more like a burner with the upside to work the intermediate part of the field. Don't think he offers the same upside that Jones has. Boyce also is a pretty good wideout (hands, routes, etc.)
Of course I think Boyce is a good receiver... I considered givens a good receiver too. I felt all three guys had/have the same type of ceiling as far as potential contributions to the patriots and Tom Brady go


I'm not sure they're quite the same style. I see Boyce as more of a slot guy who can play outside, whereas Givens was more of a perimeter guy who could work inside (if that makes sense?).
Aesthetically these three have different playing styles for sure I'm just saying as far as what those three have had at most to potentially offer the patriots offense is around the same tear of general impact and production IMO.
I do like Boyce as a mid/late rounder.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 15, 2013 12:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

NextBigThing wrote:
24isthelaw wrote:
NextBigThing wrote:
^seems like he operates on the outside more often than the slot. I also like his long speed more than his short area quickness

Boyce from TCU is decent, he had easily the most misleading 40 time of the combine. He got caught from behind on a bunch of plays


How can an electronic time be misleading :?


One would expect a guy who runs a 4.3 at the combine to have similar speed in games ?

4.3 combine times are top 10% there. Boyce does not have top 10% speed on the field. Doesnt look close from the - brief- sampling of him I have seen.


Bwaa? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQ9ZbpV8e30
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 15, 2013 12:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Richter wrote:
NextBigThing wrote:
24isthelaw wrote:
NextBigThing wrote:
^seems like he operates on the outside more often than the slot. I also like his long speed more than his short area quickness

Boyce from TCU is decent, he had easily the most misleading 40 time of the combine. He got caught from behind on a bunch of plays


How can an electronic time be misleading Confused


One would expect a guy who runs a 4.3 at the combine to have similar speed in games ?

4.3 combine times are top 10% there. Boyce does not have top 10% speed on the field. Doesnt look close from the - brief- sampling of him I have seen.


Bwaa? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQ9ZbpV8e30


I get what NBT is saying. He has the speed, but he doesnt sustain it. One of the more common knocks on him is that some college corners too frequently were able to catch up to him in the open field (both after the catch and in recovery of a double move before the catch).
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Deadpulse wrote:
Richter wrote:
NextBigThing wrote:
24isthelaw wrote:
NextBigThing wrote:
^seems like he operates on the outside more often than the slot. I also like his long speed more than his short area quickness

Boyce from TCU is decent, he had easily the most misleading 40 time of the combine. He got caught from behind on a bunch of plays


How can an electronic time be misleading :?


One would expect a guy who runs a 4.3 at the combine to have similar speed in games ?

4.3 combine times are top 10% there. Boyce does not have top 10% speed on the field. Doesnt look close from the - brief- sampling of him I have seen.


Bwaa? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQ9ZbpV8e30


I get what NBT is saying. He has the speed, but he doesnt sustain it. One of the more common knocks on him is that some college corners too frequently were able to catch up to him in the open field (both after the catch and in recovery of a double move before the catch).

He still has a bunch of long touchdowns where he wasn't caught. I don't really care that he was caught sometimes, he creates separation and big plays out of it. Everyone gets caught from behind, even guys like Chris Johnson. Angles and starting speed matter.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 15, 2013 12:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Richter wrote:
NextBigThing wrote:
24isthelaw wrote:
NextBigThing wrote:
^seems like he operates on the outside more often than the slot. I also like his long speed more than his short area quickness

Boyce from TCU is decent, he had easily the most misleading 40 time of the combine. He got caught from behind on a bunch of plays


How can an electronic time be misleading Confused


One would expect a guy who runs a 4.3 at the combine to have similar speed in games ?

4.3 combine times are top 10% there. Boyce does not have top 10% speed on the field. Doesnt look close from the - brief- sampling of him I have seen.


Bwaa? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQ9ZbpV8e30


He's not running all that fast there at all. Laughing I like his top speed enough, but he doesn't have the words greatest burst.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHvf7u_RxQo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yxwtx5s0I2A

He isnt alow, but I was stunned to see that he ran a 4.3. Justin hunters ran a 4.42 at the combine, but looks much faster on the field

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3iTXQyxgdU
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NextBigThing wrote:
Richter wrote:
NextBigThing wrote:
24isthelaw wrote:
NextBigThing wrote:
^seems like he operates on the outside more often than the slot. I also like his long speed more than his short area quickness

Boyce from TCU is decent, he had easily the most misleading 40 time of the combine. He got caught from behind on a bunch of plays


How can an electronic time be misleading :?


One would expect a guy who runs a 4.3 at the combine to have similar speed in games ?

4.3 combine times are top 10% there. Boyce does not have top 10% speed on the field. Doesnt look close from the - brief- sampling of him I have seen.


Bwaa? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQ9ZbpV8e30


He's not running all that fast there at all. :lol: I like his top speed enough, but he doesn't have the words greatest burst.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHvf7u_RxQo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yxwtx5s0I2A

He isnt alow, but I was stunned to see that he ran a 4.3. Justin hunters ran a 4.42 at the combine, but looks much faster on the field

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3iTXQyxgdU

Heh, I was going to post your first link to demonstrate how stupid the "caught from behind" thing is. Yeah, I suppose when he's weaving through traffic at half speed, he's likely to be caught from behind. If he gets behind the defense in full stride, he's not getting caught. Besides all that though, he's excellent in the red zone and has loads of both long TDs and clutch catches in college. He's going to be better than the vast majority of more highly touted prospects in this draft, and if he ends up on the Patriots, he'll be a star.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 15, 2013 12:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Richter wrote:
Deadpulse wrote:
Richter wrote:
NextBigThing wrote:
24isthelaw wrote:
NextBigThing wrote:
^seems like he operates on the outside more often than the slot. I also like his long speed more than his short area quickness

Boyce from TCU is decent, he had easily the most misleading 40 time of the combine. He got caught from behind on a bunch of plays


How can an electronic time be misleading Confused


One would expect a guy who runs a 4.3 at the combine to have similar speed in games ?

4.3 combine times are top 10% there. Boyce does not have top 10% speed on the field. Doesnt look close from the - brief- sampling of him I have seen.


Bwaa? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQ9ZbpV8e30


I get what NBT is saying. He has the speed, but he doesnt sustain it. One of the more common knocks on him is that some college corners too frequently were able to catch up to him in the open field (both after the catch and in recovery of a double move before the catch).

He still has a bunch of long touchdowns where he wasn't caught. I don't really care that he was caught sometimes, he creates separation and big plays out of it. Everyone gets caught from behind, even guys like Chris Johnson. Angles and starting speed matter.


Don't get me wrong, I am big on the kid too. For a guy whose biggest knocks are not sustaining run blocks despite sometimes taking DBs out of the play, sometimes being caught from behind like most players as you said, and not making acrobatic catches away from his body despite his main plus being his ability to create separation so he doesnt have to do that, I am totally behind him.

But still, NBT isn't entirely wrong here. His speed can be misleading at times.
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