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PostPosted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 10:56 pm    Post subject: TT Strikes a Deal: Derek Cox Reply with quote

http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2013/mar/13/chargers-sign-derek-fox-free-agency/

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The first-time general manager completed a three-year deal with Derek Cox, the agreement arriving into the night and several hours after cornerback Jerraud Powers signed with the Cardinals. Powers was originally scheduled to visit San Diego late Wednesday afternoon, but the former Colt spent his morning in Arizona and agreed not to leave.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 11:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like the signing, he's a good corner when healthy.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 11:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rotoworld wrote:
Chargers signed CB Derek Cox, formerly of the Jaguars, to a four-year, $20 million contract.
The deal includes $10.25 million guaranteed. One of the better young cover corners in football, Cox signed with the Bolts before making a scheduled trip to New Orleans. He was drawing interest from all around the league. Cox has picked off four passes in three of his first four NFL campaigns, but has also missed three or more games each of the past three seasons. He should specialize in press coverage in DC John Pagano's system.


Alright, a difference maker. Problem is that with all of the moves Denver is making, it's not going to make a difference.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 12:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree, when is Denver gonna run out of money. But getting Cox is a plus. And I think we'll have a system OL which doesn't call for alot of stars. Just everyone doing their part. Still gotta address LT though.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 12:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cautiously optimistic about this news

It's exciting that we might have two good cover corners starting next year. But, it sounds like Cox is a good bet to miss playing time. I think that drafting a CB is still a high priority. It can wait until the middle rounds though.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 1:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MrDrew wrote:
Rotoworld wrote:
Chargers signed CB Derek Cox, formerly of the Jaguars, to a four-year, $20 million contract.
The deal includes $10.25 million guaranteed. One of the better young cover corners in football, Cox signed with the Bolts before making a scheduled trip to New Orleans. He was drawing interest from all around the league. Cox has picked off four passes in three of his first four NFL campaigns, but has also missed three or more games each of the past three seasons. He should specialize in press coverage in DC John Pagano's system.


Alright, a difference maker. Problem is that with all of the moves Denver is making, it's not going to make a difference.

Denver's going for Dream Team v.2.0 or rather a strategy akin to what the Dodgers have done lately. They're trying to maximize Manning last (likely) 2 years of viability with the team to get one or two Lombardi's out of it. All that means is that we're underdog's to win the division for 2 years. That's it. It doesn't preclude us competing for a playoff spot, preclude us advancing in the playoffs, or anything of the sort. Quite honestly, when trying to instill a new mindset and way of thinking on this team a little adversity would do our guys good. Build a competitive foundation and players will come if we want them too (you don't see quality players shying away from signing with St. Louis or Seattle just because San Francisco made the Super Bowl last year and has already acquired a couple quality pieces this off-season, do you?).

Let the Broncos spend. Peyton is still 1-and-how-many for converting his infintesimal playoff appearances into Lombardi trophies. And while his contract will be off the books - sort of - when he does retire (as long as he retires before the official end of the 2014 or 2015 league year - otherwise his next year's salary is guaranteed), he's still accounting for ~ $20 million per season till then and at some point rather soon they're going to have guys as premium positions like Thomas, Miller, and Harris wanting to be paid akin to the upper echelon of players at their position - and I don't imagine all three (along with Derek Wolfe) are going to conveniently wait until 2015 or 2016 when Peyton's salary comes off the books. And I know someone will bring up restructuring Peyton's contract, but I've got two words we all know too well being Chargers fans: Tom Condon. Condon doesn't do restructures without significant quid-pro-quo, and moreover Manning's contract is designed in such a way that is all-salary, so restructuring it could actually be more hazardous to future cap-space because when a player retires the prorated cap hit that would have still been on a team's ledger for a year past his retirement date remains and is still accounted for (we had to endure the same with McNiell and Dielman last year from their prorated signing bonuses).

Peyton is still beaten the same way he was when he was throwing to Harrison/Wayne/Clark as he is now that it's Thomas/Decker/Welker - pressure him up the middle to keep him from being able to step up in the pocket and drop savvy, instinctive corners who have the sense to recognize when the QB is under pressure and to undercut the receiver's route. The Ravens showed it this year. The Saints showed it in the Super Bowl. The Pats showed it a number of years. We showed it when we were knocked the Colts out of the playoffs several times. If you can successfully pass-rush Peyton Manning, you can beat Peyton Manning.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 7:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

True, and its not like you can take Welkers numbers and transfer them to this team. Those passes are gonna have to be taken from somewhere. A few less passes going to Thomas and Decker. The TE's will see some drop also. The Broncos will move the ball but are far from unbeatable. They are definately trying to get a ring fast, but it may cost them a few years down the road. LBC a voice of reason!
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 8:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like this move.

Regarding Denver's moves, we are not winning the Super Bowl in the next couple of years anyways, let them get their shot now and once we are finished with rebuilding it will be their turn to rebuilt their roster. If they have to lose Marshall or Miller in the process we might even profit in the long term
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 15, 2013 4:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It won't cost us long term!

That is why Elway and Sullivan deserve applause in all of this. Only Vasquez is a signing longer than the 2 year Manning window of opportunity. After that, it is Osweiler who takes over. Welker, DRC, Bradley, Vickerson and Knighton come off the books right around the time when all the premium players of our own are hitting FA; which they won't. If they continue to play well, the Broncos will have the money to sign them as the signings of the last couple of days do not hamper the Broncos financially whatsoever. All these deals were made to maximize the 2 years left with Manning while not sacrificing the future with Oz. Of course it seems likely that there will be a season or two of transition, but overall this was spending done smartly, entirely unlike the former Dream Team.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 15, 2013 8:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Would you all be apposed to bringing back Jammer as the #2. Having him play 55-75% of the reps and having Gilchrist or Wright play the rest while the other plays the nickel slot. Jammer could stay fresh and Gilchrist (in this example) would move slowly into the #2 slot. This would be rather than just throwing him straight in full time. It would give him aq chance to build confidence. I think Jammer is still able to play on a limited basis and we could probably afford to re-sign him.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 15, 2013 3:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You really don't want Wright to start?
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 15, 2013 3:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wilkieray wrote:
Would you all be apposed to bringing back Jammer as the #2. Having him play 55-75% of the reps and having Gilchrist or Wright play the rest while the other plays the nickel slot. Jammer could stay fresh and Gilchrist (in this example) would move slowly into the #2 slot. This would be rather than just throwing him straight in full time. It would give him aq chance to build confidence. I think Jammer is still able to play on a limited basis and we could probably afford to re-sign him.


Wright is better than Jammer..... Aside from the Stokely miscommunication, Wright was good on the field.....
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 15, 2013 4:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, Wright has the legs to play outside. If Jammer is brought back it better be as a slot CB.......but seeing how Gilchrist has shown promise there, I doubt it.
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