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DaWg_LB.
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Hotep Raiders Fans,
Browns fan here, came over to get some info on our new signing.
He is being signed to start at one of our 5 tech positions.....new DC Ray Horton sees similarities between this Desmond Bryant and Calais Campbel....he is being paid to start in our 3-4.
There is some debate right now between does Phil Taylor start at NT or DE....and in all honesty the way he played last year, Phil Taylor can start at ANY POSITION on the ENTIRE line no matter what front your in...Tuba has already proven to be able to get 80+ tackles and multiple sacks playing in a 3-4 D (2010)...so he is odds on favorite to play the NT right now....Its still being debated by the coaching staff.
From hearing fans here, maybe we did overpay..but 92 tackles + 11.5 sacks and 30+ QB pressures from a 6-6 311llb DT/DE in only 18 starts....we'll take it.....
And as one of the Raiders Faithful in here pointed it out....this contract is front loaded....we still have millions to spend to get to NFL/NFLPA CBA mandated salary floor, this contract is front loaded and if he does not perform up to snuff, we will be able to release him in a year or two with not to much sweat.......no if he continues to improve like a lot of the football experts suggest, then he's a bargain in years 3 and 4.....
NFL network had him ranked at the #2 DT available...the #1 DT was Seymore who is on the wrong side of 33......the market would dictate a contract about that size for the #1 DT in FA who is 27 years or younger....
also dosent seem like the Browns were the only ones interested..
http://bostonglobe.com/sports/2013/03/12/patriorts-lose-out-desmond-bryant/UIu9n3oEZ2EPhvUoEYYZMK/story.html
Thanks for letting a Browns fan post.
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DaWg_LB.
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| Keanun__ wrote: | | The Browns don't even need a defensive end either. They have Taylor, Rubin, and Hughs. They're paying him all that money to be among 3 other guys. Great job as always Browns. |
You SERIOUSLY want to say something like that after the Carson Palmer trade.....AND the Richard Seymore trade....The Darius Heyward Bay pick?........ummm in comparison over the past 5 who would you say has made the better moves and drafted better Raiders or Clev?.....now remember the Browns have the 2nd most cap money in the NFL this year, have a franchise RB, Top 3 LT in the NFL and potential #1 Wr.....We have a #1 shutdown CB, a solid Dline and a potential #1 pass rusher this year (Kruger)......it looks like the Browns are finally getting it right.....
2007-2012 1rst round Draft picks
Oak
07- Jamarcus Russle (not in NFL)
08- Darren McFadden (Cant stay healthy)
09- DHB (Released)
10- Rolando McClain (Bust??)
11- No selection (Richard Seymore:URFA)
12- No selection (Carson Palmer:Soon to be released?)
Clev
07- Joe Thomas (Top 3 LT in NFL)
07- Brady Quinn (QB KC)
08- no selection (Trade in 07 to move up to get Quinn)
09- Alex Mack (Top 5 C in NFL)
10- Joe Haden (Top 10 CB in NFL)
11- Phil Taylor
12- Trent Richardson
12- Brandon Weeden (extra selection picked up from ATL)
Just sayin......
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Nodisrespect
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| DaWg_LB. wrote: | | Keanun__ wrote: | | The Browns don't even need a defensive end either. They have Taylor, Rubin, and Hughs. They're paying him all that money to be among 3 other guys. Great job as always Browns. |
You SERIOUSLY want to say something like that after the Carson Palmer trade.....AND the Richard Seymore trade....The Darius Heyward Bay pick?........ummm in comparison over the past 5 who would you say has made the better moves and drafted better Raiders or Clev?.....now remember the Browns have the 2nd most cap money in the NFL this year, have a franchise RB, Top 3 LT in the NFL and potential #1 Wr.....We have a #1 shutdown CB, a solid Dline and a potential #1 pass rusher this year (Kruger)......it looks like the Browns are finally getting it right.....
2007-2012 1rst round Draft picks
Oak
07- Jamarcus Russle (not in NFL)
08- Darren McFadden (Cant stay healthy)
09- DHB (Released)
10- Rolando McClain (Bust??)
11- No selection (Richard Seymore:URFA)
12- No selection (Carson Palmer:Soon to be released?)
Clev
07- Joe Thomas (Top 3 LT in NFL)
07- Brady Quinn (QB KC)
08- no selection (Trade in 07 to move up to get Quinn)
09- Alex Mack (Top 5 C in NFL)
10- Joe Haden (Top 10 CB in NFL)
11- Phil Taylor
12- Trent Richardson
12- Brandon Weeden (extra selection picked up from ATL)
Just sayin...... |
Your not saying much, they both suck.
And Byant is good you will like him, but who really cares about a base formation when most of the good teams just pass every down? |
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Raidin
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| Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 12:39 pm Post subject: |
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A fight between the Raiders and Browns over who has the better front office.
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raiders006
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| Browns look pretty nice on paper, not gonna lie. Questions surround Weeden but they have LOTS of young ballers in place. |
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DaWg_LB.
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| Nodisrespect wrote: | | DaWg_LB. wrote: | | Keanun__ wrote: | | The Browns don't even need a defensive end either. They have Taylor, Rubin, and Hughs. They're paying him all that money to be among 3 other guys. Great job as always Browns. |
You SERIOUSLY want to say something like that after the Carson Palmer trade.....AND the Richard Seymore trade....The Darius Heyward Bay pick?........ummm in comparison over the past 5 who would you say has made the better moves and drafted better Raiders or Clev?.....now remember the Browns have the 2nd most cap money in the NFL this year, have a franchise RB, Top 3 LT in the NFL and potential #1 Wr.....We have a #1 shutdown CB, a solid Dline and a potential #1 pass rusher this year (Kruger)......it looks like the Browns are finally getting it right.....
2007-2012 1rst round Draft picks
Oak
07- Jamarcus Russle (not in NFL)
08- Darren McFadden (Cant stay healthy)
09- DHB (Released)
10- Rolando McClain (Bust??)
11- No selection (Richard Seymore:URFA)
12- No selection (Carson Palmer:Soon to be released?)
Clev
07- Joe Thomas (Top 3 LT in NFL)
07- Brady Quinn (QB KC)
08- no selection (Trade in 07 to move up to get Quinn)
09- Alex Mack (Top 5 C in NFL)
10- Joe Haden (Top 10 CB in NFL)
11- Phil Taylor
12- Trent Richardson
12- Brandon Weeden (extra selection picked up from ATL)
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Your not saying much, they both suck.
And Byant is good you will like him, but who really cares about a base formation when most of the good teams just pass every down? |
Ok I can respect that.....that is your opinion...as I have stated mine.....I wold argue that I included facts stated above (cap space, blah, blah blah, Jamarcus Russle being drafted vs Joe Thomas ect....) to support my thinking that our Front office had not sucked since Holgrem came to town 4 years ago.......I'm just saying that i would appear that based on the moves made over the past 5 years has the Browns headed in the correct direction and not in a still tear it down mode.....You reply is "Your not saying much".....no disrespect intended at all here, just curious as to what your thoughts are simply "your not saying much" are the supporting facts listed not correct?
Thank you for the information on Bryant....We certainly hope so 
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Nodisrespect
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| raiders006 wrote: | | Browns look pretty nice on paper, not gonna lie. Questions surround Weeden but they have LOTS of young ballers in place. |
So they are good everywhere but QB? Sounds like the Chiefs last year........ |
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raiders006
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| Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 2:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Just sayin they look good on paper dude. As a matter of fact, every team looks better than us on paper. |
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nbaker1933
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| DaWg_LB. wrote: | | Nodisrespect wrote: | | DaWg_LB. wrote: | | Keanun__ wrote: | | The Browns don't even need a defensive end either. They have Taylor, Rubin, and Hughs. They're paying him all that money to be among 3 other guys. Great job as always Browns. |
You SERIOUSLY want to say something like that after the Carson Palmer trade.....AND the Richard Seymore trade....The Darius Heyward Bay pick?........ummm in comparison over the past 5 who would you say has made the better moves and drafted better Raiders or Clev?.....now remember the Browns have the 2nd most cap money in the NFL this year, have a franchise RB, Top 3 LT in the NFL and potential #1 Wr.....We have a #1 shutdown CB, a solid Dline and a potential #1 pass rusher this year (Kruger)......it looks like the Browns are finally getting it right.....
2007-2012 1rst round Draft picks
Oak
07- Jamarcus Russle (not in NFL)
08- Darren McFadden (Cant stay healthy)
09- DHB (Released)
10- Rolando McClain (Bust??)
11- No selection (Richard Seymore:URFA)
12- No selection (Carson Palmer:Soon to be released?)
Clev
07- Joe Thomas (Top 3 LT in NFL)
07- Brady Quinn (QB KC)
08- no selection (Trade in 07 to move up to get Quinn)
09- Alex Mack (Top 5 C in NFL)
10- Joe Haden (Top 10 CB in NFL)
11- Phil Taylor
12- Trent Richardson
12- Brandon Weeden (extra selection picked up from ATL)
Just sayin...... |
Your not saying much, they both suck.
And Byant is good you will like him, but who really cares about a base formation when most of the good teams just pass every down? |
Ok I can respect that.....that is your opinion...as I have stated mine.....I wold argue that I included facts stated above (cap space, blah, blah blah, Jamarcus Russle being drafted vs Joe Thomas ect....) to support my thinking that our Front office had not sucked since Holgrem came to town 4 years ago.......I'm just saying that i would appear that based on the moves made over the past 5 years has the Browns headed in the correct direction and not in a still tear it down mode.....You reply is "Your not saying much".....no disrespect intended at all here, just curious as to what your thoughts are simply "your not saying much" are the supporting facts listed not correct?
Thank you for the information on Bryant....We certainly hope so |
Considering the browns have 24 wins and 56 losses over that span (08-12 because the 07 draft would not have impacted the 07 season)
and oakland has gone 29-51.
No matter how you spin it the teams are damn near identical, with no team going over .500 in that span.
Both teams are bad and have been bad, that is his point, being better than us (which you havent been) isnt much of an accomplishment. |
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candyman93
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| Nodisrespect wrote: | | raiders006 wrote: | | Browns look pretty nice on paper, not gonna lie. Questions surround Weeden but they have LOTS of young ballers in place. |
So they are good everywhere but QB? Sounds like the Chiefs last year........ |
Difference is, we won't talk about us being the GOAT.
I bet you guys had a blast with Chiefs fans this year 
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Our draft history the past decade makes me wanna puke. Our 2nd & 3rd picks have fared better than our 1st. Our two best receivers now are a 5th round pick and an UDFA. Our best player on D now had 4 sacks last year.
Man Reggie has his work cut out for him this year and years to come.
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| candyman93 wrote: | | Nodisrespect wrote: | | raiders006 wrote: | | Browns look pretty nice on paper, not gonna lie. Questions surround Weeden but they have LOTS of young ballers in place. |
So they are good everywhere but QB? Sounds like the Chiefs last year........ |
Difference is, we won't talk about us being the GOAT.
I bet you guys had a blast with Chiefs fans this year |
We didn't say anything. We were afraid of retaliation from Moeaki.
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| Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 3:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Nodisrespect wrote: | | raiders006 wrote: | | Browns look pretty nice on paper, not gonna lie. Questions surround Weeden but they have LOTS of young ballers in place. |
So they are good everywhere but QB? Sounds like the Chiefs last year........ |
I wonder if Carson would like to go to Cleveland..nothing like getting vengeance on the Bengals right? |
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| candyman93 wrote: | Difference is, we won't talk about us being the GOAT.
I bet you guys had a blast with Chiefs fans this year |
ahaha! that av is classic.
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| Nodisrespect wrote: | | DaWg_LB. wrote: | | Keanun__ wrote: | | The Browns don't even need a defensive end either. They have Taylor, Rubin, and Hughs. They're paying him all that money to be among 3 other guys. Great job as always Browns. |
You SERIOUSLY want to say something like that after the Carson Palmer trade.....AND the Richard Seymore trade....The Darius Heyward Bay pick?........ummm in comparison over the past 5 who would you say has made the better moves and drafted better Raiders or Clev?.....now remember the Browns have the 2nd most cap money in the NFL this year, have a franchise RB, Top 3 LT in the NFL and potential #1 Wr.....We have a #1 shutdown CB, a solid Dline and a potential #1 pass rusher this year (Kruger)......it looks like the Browns are finally getting it right.....
2007-2012 1rst round Draft picks
Oak
07- Jamarcus Russle (not in NFL)
08- Darren McFadden (Cant stay healthy)
09- DHB (Released)
10- Rolando McClain (Bust??)
11- No selection (Richard Seymore:URFA)
12- No selection (Carson Palmer:Soon to be released?)
Clev
07- Joe Thomas (Top 3 LT in NFL)
07- Brady Quinn (QB KC)
08- no selection (Trade in 07 to move up to get Quinn)
09- Alex Mack (Top 5 C in NFL)
10- Joe Haden (Top 10 CB in NFL)
11- Phil Taylor
12- Trent Richardson
12- Brandon Weeden (extra selection picked up from ATL)
Just sayin...... |
Your not saying much, they both suck.
And Byant is good you will like him, but who really cares about a base formation when most of the good teams just pass every down? |
Is that what the two SB teams did?
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