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PostPosted: Fri Mar 22, 2013 8:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Just curious what great WR didn't he shutdown? Cause I can remember T.O. (when he was still good), Chad Johnson (when he was still good), Brandon Marshall, Anquan Boldin, Andre Johnson, Reggie Wayne, Dwayne Bowe, Vincent Jackson, Dez Bryant, Hakeem Nicks, Calvin Johnson, Greg Jennings, Roddy White, Steve Smith, Marques Colston, Randy Moss.

Nobody said he was the #1 of all time right now, just he could be and that's not farfetched.


How did he do against Wes Welker?

As for Moss, there's a bit of a mixed bag there. Revis got him more times than Moss got Revis though.

As I recall, Steve Johnson has given Revis some issues as well and I think Percy Harvin did well against him too last time they played.

What I'm saying is that announcing that he could retire the GOAT at this point in his career is more than a bit premature.

Didn't usually go 1-on-1 against Welker.

Johnson really only had one good game against Revis. Revis was shutting him down this year until he suffered a concussion.

He only played the Vikings once and it was his first game back from his hamstring injury and he was limited.
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Cool so you're about to pay a ton of money for a person who can hopefully "shut down" one WR? Neat, I'll just throw to my 3 other WRs, RB, and TE then. Have fun losing that way also LOL.

One of these days, people will understand the value of a premiere CB isn't all it's cracked up to be....
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Cool so you're about to pay a ton of money for a person who can hopefully "shut down" one WR? Neat, I'll just throw to my 3 other WRs, RB, and TE then. Have fun losing that way also LOL.

I mean...it isn't as if those guys will be running free. Tampa Bay DOES have other guys in that secondary. Good guys, too. You still have Mark Barron, DaShon Goldson and...Ronde Barber, right? He's like 41, but he still plays, no?

If you have a porous secondary, I can agree with you with your statement. Had this been the Jags or someone like that, I'd see where you're coming from. Thing is, Tampa Bay actually has a pretty good secondary. You add in a premiere CB such as Revis, it only gets better.

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One of these days, people will understand the value of a premiere CB isn't all it's cracked up to be....

Agreed with this. Wasn't too long ago that the Raiders had the best CB in the game in Aso, playing at the top of his game. He didn't have much in the secondary beyond him - Chris Johnson was trash, Michael Huff was playing out of position, they payed big bucks for that former FS guy who turned out to be complete junk - so even if a side was shut down, the rest of the secondary could be beaten over the head with a lead pipe.

But, in TBs case - where there is a solid group of guys - adding a shutdown guy can be a big factor, because you'll have to take chances against guys who can play.
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tampa would be extremely dumb to give up a 2014 1st and 2nd for this primadonna. i would put $$ on the fact they will regret their decision if any deal goes thru.
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Tampa would come out here with a STEAL if this deal went through. A 2014 1st and 2nd on paper looks like a low 1st and 2nd round picks going to the Jets, instead of there higher picks this season.
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I just don't see it. The corner position just isn't valuable enough to invest that many draft picks or precious cap space on. The only players worth this much are people who score TDs, premium QBs and WRs (RBs are an exception due to their body wear and tear), and players who rush the passer, premium DEs, pass rushing DTs, and sack machine OLBs.
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No. First half, Dez destroyed Cromartie (possibly his worst game as a Jet) and Wilson while Revis shut down Miles Austin.

Second half, they switched assignments. From that point on, Revis caught as many passes from Romo as Dez did.

Not sure if the switch was exactly at halftime, but it was somewhere around then.


WRONG

Revis played man on Bryant the whole game, barring the first few plays of the game. But wait, theres more: Not only was Revis glued to him, but the Jets admitted to giving him a safety over the top... Bryant was throwing Revis around like a rag doll until the ~2nd quarter when he bruised his thigh. After that point, Bryant did not catch a single pass the rest of the game. In fact, I am pretty sure he only had a few more thrown to him.

Also - I am pretty sure Revis was mic'd up that game. I remember watching the highlights and hearing them chirp at each other.
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green24 wrote:

No. First half, Dez destroyed Cromartie (possibly his worst game as a Jet) and Wilson while Revis shut down Miles Austin.

Second half, they switched assignments. From that point on, Revis caught as many passes from Romo as Dez did.

Not sure if the switch was exactly at halftime, but it was somewhere around then.


WRONG

Revis played man on Bryant the whole game, barring the first few plays of the game. But wait, theres more: Not only was Revis glued to him, but the Jets admitted to giving him a safety over the top... Bryant was throwing Revis around like a rag doll until the ~2nd quarter when he bruised his thigh. After that point, Bryant did not catch a single pass the rest of the game. In fact, I am pretty sure he only had a few more thrown to him.

Also - I am pretty sure Revis was mic'd up that game. I remember watching the highlights and hearing them chirp at each other.


If I remember the game correctly Dez did get the better of Revis on a couple of plays early. I remember specifically a jump ball That Revis got beat out on despite being a good position. Green isn't entirely wrong because Cromartie did have some coverages on Dez early on and got beat at one point. It was a really good matchup, I wouldn't say either one of them got "thrown around like a ragdoll" and I would refrain from blaming anything on a bruised thigh.

Dez has probably one of the, if not the, best physical skillset of receiver in the league. If anyone could best Revis, it would be him...and he showed why in that game. Technique, no matter how near-perfect it is, can only get you so far playing a guy like Dez.
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JTagg7754 wrote:
Cool so you're about to pay a ton of money for a person who can hopefully "shut down" one WR? Neat, I'll just throw to my 3 other WRs, RB, and TE then. Have fun losing that way also LOL.

One of these days, people will understand the value of a premiere CB isn't all it's cracked up to be....
Agreed. I wouldn't necessarily have a problem dealing for Revis but giving up two high picks plus the salary is just too much. For me, the most I'd pay for a top CB would be around 10m/yr.
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21 ALL THE WAY wrote:
Tampa would come out here with a STEAL if this deal went through. A 2014 1st and 2nd on paper looks like a low 1st and 2nd round picks going to the Jets, instead of there higher picks this season.


And what pay him 12% of your cap also. all this to shut down one wr that might be making 5mill. Plus your doing this before the guy can even work out.
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green24 wrote:
jrry32 wrote:
Abe56 wrote:


Just curious what great WR didn't he shutdown? Cause I can remember T.O. (when he was still good), Chad Johnson (when he was still good), Brandon Marshall, Anquan Boldin, Andre Johnson, Reggie Wayne, Dwayne Bowe, Vincent Jackson, Dez Bryant, Hakeem Nicks, Calvin Johnson, Greg Jennings, Roddy White, Steve Smith, Marques Colston, Randy Moss.

Nobody said he was the #1 of all time right now, just he could be and that's not farfetched.


How did he do against Wes Welker?

As for Moss, there's a bit of a mixed bag there. Revis got him more times than Moss got Revis though.

As I recall, Steve Johnson has given Revis some issues as well and I think Percy Harvin did well against him too last time they played.

What I'm saying is that announcing that he could retire the GOAT at this point in his career is more than a bit premature.

Didn't usually go 1-on-1 against Welker.

Johnson really only had one good game against Revis. Revis was shutting him down this year until he suffered a concussion.

He only played the Vikings once and it was his first game back from his hamstring injury and he was limited.


Demaryius Thomas burned him for a TD as a rookie. Might have been twice Wink
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green24 wrote:
jrry32 wrote:
Abe56 wrote:


Just curious what great WR didn't he shutdown? Cause I can remember T.O. (when he was still good), Chad Johnson (when he was still good), Brandon Marshall, Anquan Boldin, Andre Johnson, Reggie Wayne, Dwayne Bowe, Vincent Jackson, Dez Bryant, Hakeem Nicks, Calvin Johnson, Greg Jennings, Roddy White, Steve Smith, Marques Colston, Randy Moss.

Nobody said he was the #1 of all time right now, just he could be and that's not farfetched.


How did he do against Wes Welker?

As for Moss, there's a bit of a mixed bag there. Revis got him more times than Moss got Revis though.

As I recall, Steve Johnson has given Revis some issues as well and I think Percy Harvin did well against him too last time they played.

What I'm saying is that announcing that he could retire the GOAT at this point in his career is more than a bit premature.

Didn't usually go 1-on-1 against Welker.

Johnson really only had one good game against Revis. Revis was shutting him down this year until he suffered a concussion.

He only played the Vikings once and it was his first game back from his hamstring injury and he was limited.


Demaryius Thomas burned him for a TD as a rookie. Might have been twice Wink


Here's the game you're thinking of

http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/boxscore?gameId=301017007

1 catch 17 yards 1 TD.

Here's the play

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=6Rupv08EaeA#t=358s

Similar to how Dez beat him. Not terribly out of position but it's extremely hard to compete with that sort of jump-ball play.
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sandwhich wrote:
Matts4313 wrote:
green24 wrote:

No. First half, Dez destroyed Cromartie (possibly his worst game as a Jet) and Wilson while Revis shut down Miles Austin.

Second half, they switched assignments. From that point on, Revis caught as many passes from Romo as Dez did.

Not sure if the switch was exactly at halftime, but it was somewhere around then.


WRONG

Revis played man on Bryant the whole game, barring the first few plays of the game. But wait, theres more: Not only was Revis glued to him, but the Jets admitted to giving him a safety over the top... Bryant was throwing Revis around like a rag doll until the ~2nd quarter when he bruised his thigh. After that point, Bryant did not catch a single pass the rest of the game. In fact, I am pretty sure he only had a few more thrown to him.

Also - I am pretty sure Revis was mic'd up that game. I remember watching the highlights and hearing them chirp at each other.


If I remember the game correctly Dez did get the better of Revis on a couple of plays early. I remember specifically a jump ball That Revis got beat out on despite being a good position. Green isn't entirely wrong because Cromartie did have some coverages on Dez early on and got beat at one point. It was a really good matchup, I wouldn't say either one of them got "thrown around like a ragdoll" and I would refrain from blaming anything on a bruised thigh.

Dez has probably one of the, if not the, best physical skillset of receiver in the league. If anyone could best Revis, it would be him...and he showed why in that game. Technique, no matter how near-perfect it is, can only get you so far playing a guy like Dez.


Found some videos of the game



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5itkrp0uWY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=203xDKPQvF0#t=24s

^^ Isn't covering Bryant on that big play.

Beats Cromartie on the TD.

At 1:08 Bryant beats Revis on the jumpball.

That's all 3 catches Dez makes on video. Only 1 on Revis. I thought there were 2, but I was wrong.
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sandwhich wrote:
broncos67 wrote:
green24 wrote:
jrry32 wrote:
Abe56 wrote:


Just curious what great WR didn't he shutdown? Cause I can remember T.O. (when he was still good), Chad Johnson (when he was still good), Brandon Marshall, Anquan Boldin, Andre Johnson, Reggie Wayne, Dwayne Bowe, Vincent Jackson, Dez Bryant, Hakeem Nicks, Calvin Johnson, Greg Jennings, Roddy White, Steve Smith, Marques Colston, Randy Moss.

Nobody said he was the #1 of all time right now, just he could be and that's not farfetched.


How did he do against Wes Welker?

As for Moss, there's a bit of a mixed bag there. Revis got him more times than Moss got Revis though.

As I recall, Steve Johnson has given Revis some issues as well and I think Percy Harvin did well against him too last time they played.

What I'm saying is that announcing that he could retire the GOAT at this point in his career is more than a bit premature.

Didn't usually go 1-on-1 against Welker.

Johnson really only had one good game against Revis. Revis was shutting him down this year until he suffered a concussion.

He only played the Vikings once and it was his first game back from his hamstring injury and he was limited.


Demaryius Thomas burned him for a TD as a rookie. Might have been twice Wink


Here's the game you're thinking of

http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/boxscore?gameId=301017007

1 catch 17 yards 1 TD.

Here's the play

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=6Rupv08EaeA#t=358s

Similar to how Dez beat him. Not terribly out of position but it's extremely hard to compete with that sort of jump-ball play.

Revis also wasn't 100% for that game. He wasn't practicing for most of the week.
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