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PostPosted: Tue Mar 12, 2013 8:14 am    Post subject: Ravens sign WR/Returner David Reed to a 2-year deal Reply with quote

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Wide receiver David Reed has agreed to a two-year contract that carries a maximum value of nearly $2.5 million and includes a $500,000 signing bonus, according to league sources with knowledge of the situation.


http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/ravens-insider/bal-wide-receiver-david-reed-baltimore-ravens-agree-to-twoyear-25-million-contract-sources-say-20130312,0,257347.story

The former 5th round pick only caught 5 passes for 66 yards in his 3-year career with the Ravens [all coming in 2012] but he was also used as a returner during his first two seasons, returning 39 kicks for 1,150 yards, including one 103 yard return in 2010.
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I honestly have 0 idea what they see in this guy. I've yet to see him do anything productive in his career.
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Why on earth was he given such a large signing bonus? I can't imagine that he would have been is such large demand that he'd warrant that sort of cash Confused
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Why on earth was he given such a large signing bonus? I can't imagine that he would have been is such large demand that he'd warrant that sort of cash Confused


I'd rather have lost him and replaced him with a UDFA which would have freed up $1m of the $2m we would have needed to keep Boldin Sad
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All he's done for us is single-handedly lose that one game in Seattle for us. He lost 2 fumbles on kickoffs in what ending up being a close game.

However, I'm not surprised by this move. The way the team handled his roster spot through his numerous injuries indicated that they intended to keep him. I guess they see something in him.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 12, 2013 10:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Excellent signing IMO.

At worse Reed is a guy who can be valuable to this team as a kick/punt returner and at best he has WR value. I never thought Reed saw a lot of opportunities because of circumstance.

2010
He gets drafted the year we have Mason as our go-to receiver, traded for Boldin, and signed TJ Houshmandzadeh. Clearly he wasn't going to see much, if any, opportunity to play WR. But he shined as a kickoff return specialist.

2011
He obviously had an opportunity to earn some playing time in 2011 with the team going youth movement. But at the same time, he went from being too young the year before... to being the 'old toy'. With Torrey Smith being a 2nd rounder he was always going to receive more opportunities to impress. And Tandon Doss was selected in the 4th round (a round higher than Reed) and was a similar caliber of player to Reed, so throw in Reed's suspension for PEDs... and he was behind the 8-ball.

2012
Spent most of the year working his way back from his torn ACL.

So I'm calling incomplete grade. It's not like we've seen a lot of Reed and he's been a disappointment when we've seen him. In fact, in the Cincinatti game, week 17... I liked what I saw. Coming from the draft, Reed was a guy who played the game similar to Derrick Mason. That kind of play relies on utilizing a lot of craft, knowing the ends and outs of the position.

So with Boldin now gone, I honestly would love to see David Reed get plenty of opportunities in practice to show what he can do as a slot receiver. He doesn't have great speed, but has great explosive burst, he has nice agility, and the hands and vertical ability to attack the ball. He's also a tough guy.

I'm still high enough on David Reed. I always hoped that we might resign him, but I didn't honestly think it was a realistic possibility... but that was obviously before Boldin was traded. This is a very good move IMO.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 12, 2013 10:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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All he's done for us is single-handedly lose that one game in Seattle for us. He lost 2 fumbles on kickoffs in what ending up being a close game.

However, I'm not surprised by this move. The way the team handled his roster spot through his numerous injuries indicated that they intended to keep him. I guess they see something in him.

That's ridiculous.

Sure, he had a horrible game... Jacoby Jones also had a horrible game against us. That type of stuff happens. But I don't think any player deserves the moniker of "single handedly" causing his team a loss. If the team had played better, we'd have won.

And it's not like Reed wasn't an impact returner for us in 2010. He returned one kick for a TD and had some long gains a few times where he almost broke it on numerous occasions. In 2011, he wasn't as good and didn't have the homerun, but he was very solid- until that Seattle game shattered his confidence... and shortly after he tore his ACL.

Honestly, between Doss, Reed, and Ed Dickson fighting for opportunities to impact the intermediate area of the field- the former two from the slot... I'm comfortable with Boldin not being back. Boldin could make some nice contested grabs... and he was physical enough to dominate a lesser man... but he was inconsistent and he ran hot and cold too much. He just couldn't get separation if his life depended on it. Reed has nice quickness and explosive ability, I think you put him in the slot and he's going to be a nice option. I'm high on his skill set and what he brings to the table. It used to be that we had too many guys with his skillset in Mason, Clayton... and a host of other guys along the way. Now Reed has a chance to really shine as a role player- he just needs to have a strong offseason and seize the opportunity.
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I just....don't.....get it......
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He already lost us one game, and has been sitting around and collecting a paycheck not doing much for a while now. Might as well see if we can reap the rewards of any developing he might have done.
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Definitely a bit of a head-scratcher at first glance. But he's a good special teamer at worst, and perhaps they see something in him as a receiver. It's actually a cap-saving move when put in contrast to the restricted free agent tender he would have gotten instead, so there's that. People are going to read this too much in conjunction with the trade of Boldin, but they're separate moves. David Reed is solid depth.

And as far as his returning abilities go, a.) as long as Jacoby is here he's not going to be returning kicks and b.) Outside of that one turrible Seattle game, he's only fumbled once in his career. One bad game doesn't mean he's unsalvageable to begin with, I mean, look at Jacoby Jones if you ever needed evidence of that. He was a really good returner for us in his rookie year. So I think as far as insurance options at returner go, we could do worse.
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BaltimoreTerp wrote:
Definitely a bit of a head-scratcher at first glance. But he's a good special teamer at worst, and perhaps they see something in him as a receiver. It's actually a cap-saving move when put in contrast to the restricted free agent tender he would have gotten instead, so there's that. People are going to read this too much in conjunction with the trade of Boldin, but they're separate moves. David Reed is solid depth.

And as far as his returning abilities go, a.) as long as Jacoby is here he's not going to be returning kicks and b.) Outside of that one turrible Seattle game, he's only fumbled once in his career. One bad game doesn't mean he's unsalvageable to begin with, I mean, look at Jacoby Jones if you ever needed evidence of that. He was a really good returner for us in his rookie year. So I think as far as insurance options at returner go, we could do worse.


Yep. I think Reed is mostly a special teams player. He has return abilities but his best asset is as a gunner in my opinion. It's not an expensive deal so I'm not concerned about it at all.
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BaltimoreTerp wrote:
Definitely a bit of a head-scratcher at first glance. But he's a good special teamer at worst, and perhaps they see something in him as a receiver. It's actually a cap-saving move when put in contrast to the restricted free agent tender he would have gotten instead, so there's that. People are going to read this too much in conjunction with the trade of Boldin, but they're separate moves. David Reed is solid depth.

And as far as his returning abilities go, a.) as long as Jacoby is here he's not going to be returning kicks and b.) Outside of that one turrible Seattle game, he's only fumbled once in his career. One bad game doesn't mean he's unsalvageable to begin with, I mean, look at Jacoby Jones if you ever needed evidence of that. He was a really good returner for us in his rookie year. So I think as far as insurance options at returner go, we could do worse.

Agree completely.

I was honestly feeling like I was the only one looking at this objectively. Reed is good solid depth that still has an incomplete grade. We were able to bring him back cheap and see what if he can't be more productive.

He was a nice gunner once he got healthy, has return ability, and is an unknown at the WR position until we see more IMO.

The contract said, the maximum was $2.5m which means we probably aren't paying him that unless he reaches some sort of performance incentive in his deal... which would be good for us, obviously, if he does reach some sort of incentive.

With regard to why a high signing bonus... why not? We get to spread that 500k across this year and next. And we can keep Reed's salary lower because of it. His SB just means we are less likely to cut Reed for the next two seasons.
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diamondbull424 wrote:
BaltimoreTerp wrote:
Definitely a bit of a head-scratcher at first glance. But he's a good special teamer at worst, and perhaps they see something in him as a receiver. It's actually a cap-saving move when put in contrast to the restricted free agent tender he would have gotten instead, so there's that. People are going to read this too much in conjunction with the trade of Boldin, but they're separate moves. David Reed is solid depth.

And as far as his returning abilities go, a.) as long as Jacoby is here he's not going to be returning kicks and b.) Outside of that one turrible Seattle game, he's only fumbled once in his career. One bad game doesn't mean he's unsalvageable to begin with, I mean, look at Jacoby Jones if you ever needed evidence of that. He was a really good returner for us in his rookie year. So I think as far as insurance options at returner go, we could do worse.

Agree completely.

I was honestly feeling like I was the only one looking at this objectively. Reed is good solid depth that still has an incomplete grade. We were able to bring him back cheap and see what if he can't be more productive.


Why are you guys assuming we ARE relating it to the Boldin loss? I'm pretty sure none of us think he was resigned to be the #2 receiver. Personally, I'm judging the signing as whether he deserves to be on the roster.

A team typically keeps 5 receivers active. Torrey Smith is the fixture. Jacoby Jones will certainly be active. Tandon Doss is probably next in line. Then we have David Reed, Deonte Thompson, Tommy Streeter, and LaQuan Williams. From what we've seen in preseason and a bit in the regular season, Thompson looks like he's easily the most promising prospect. Reed vs LaQuan Williams is debatable and Streeter needs to develop. As of now, one of them would make the active roster.

On top of that, I'm sure we're adding a receiver or 2 this offseason.

Basically, I haven't seen why Reed would be worth any extra cap hit or more importantly a roster spot over LaQuan Williams (who I think is the better special teamer, given we don't need a returner). Then again, he hasn't had too many chances to show what he has, which is why I said maybe the front office has seen more talent in him.
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