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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 2:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

KhanYouDigIt wrote:


Greg is the man.


That's a beast right there. Laughing Thanks for bringin that in.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 4:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The #Titans are hosting receivers Brandon Stokley and Kevin Walter on free agency today
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 6:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The #Titans are hosting receivers Brandon Stokley and Kevin Walter on free agency today


I never understand this, why would you host someone who you know everything about? We know exactly what his workout will be like, and what he will bring, so retarded.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 9:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

texans_uk wrote:
jch1911 wrote:
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Jim Wyatt
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The #Titans are hosting receivers Brandon Stokley and Kevin Walter on free agency today


I never understand this, why would you host someone who you know everything about? We know exactly what his workout will be like, and what he will bring, so retarded.


I hope they sign him. That way we only focus on one of their receivers when he is on the field.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 1:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

texans_uk wrote:
jch1911 wrote:
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Jim Wyatt
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The #Titans are hosting receivers Brandon Stokley and Kevin Walter on free agency today


I never understand this, why would you host someone who you know everything about? We know exactly what his workout will be like, and what he will bring, so retarded.


Because it's the Titans giving Walter a workout, not the Texans.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 2:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Y'all think we'd have any interest in bringing in Sedrick Ellis. He was over hyped coming out of USC and he's rated pretty low on FA list I've seen. He's you g and fits Wades prototypical NT.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 7:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We are having a very solid free agency. Solid players filling needs for good prices. This is how good teams are built. I really like what we have done.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 7:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like this signing. I would say the list of needs is this


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3rd safety/cornerback, hybrid (Tyrann M)
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 11:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I still don't see why you guys dont think ILB is a need for us too. It's bigger than S and NT IMO. I know who ever starts next to Cushing won't be a 3 down LB, but we could still use someone next to him. One because Cushing is coming back from injury and two because we had Bradie freaking James (a guy we shouldnt resign.), Tim Dobbins (good backup, but not a starting ILB plus he is a FA) and Darryl Shapton (who isnt a starting ILB either IMO). Rudd is a free agent. I think we could use an upgrade at ILB.
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Texansfan713 wrote:
I still don't see why you guys dont think ILB is a need for us too. It's bigger than S and NT IMO. I know who ever starts next to Cushing won't be a 3 down LB, but we could still use someone next to him. One because Cushing is coming back from injury and two because we had Bradie freaking James (a guy we shouldnt resign.), Tim Dobbins (good backup, but not a starting ILB plus he is a FA) and Darryl Shapton (who isnt a starting ILB either IMO). Rudd is a free agent. I think we could use an upgrade at ILB.


I absolutely think it's a huge need and I've been the loudest about it here. However, my thinking has shifted for two reasons:


    1. Despite the fact that I've been adamant that the primary reason our Mo/Meg ILB has been a 2-down backer is because all of ours have been poor scheme fits or bad players, I'm becoming increasingly suspicious of the fact that Wade may actually just prefer to have more DBs on the field. It doesn't make a ton of sense to me, but if that's the case, S moves up in priority over ILB, because...

    2. ... even with Ed Reed, I don't want Keo or Pleasant on anything except special teams. I want a young stud safety waiting in the wings to be groomed by Reed and Manning and to play in our Nickel packages.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 1:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kenney wrote:
Texansfan713 wrote:
I still don't see why you guys dont think ILB is a need for us too. It's bigger than S and NT IMO. I know who ever starts next to Cushing won't be a 3 down LB, but we could still use someone next to him. One because Cushing is coming back from injury and two because we had Bradie freaking James (a guy we shouldnt resign.), Tim Dobbins (good backup, but not a starting ILB plus he is a FA) and Darryl Shapton (who isnt a starting ILB either IMO). Rudd is a free agent. I think we could use an upgrade at ILB.


I absolutely think it's a huge need and I've been the loudest about it here. However, my thinking has shifted for two reasons:


    1. Despite the fact that I've been adamant that the primary reason our Mo/Meg ILB has been a 2-down backer is because all of ours have been poor scheme fits or bad players, I'm becoming increasingly suspicious of the fact that Wade may actually just prefer to have more DBs on the field. It doesn't make a ton of sense to me, but if that's the case, S moves up in priority over ILB, because...

    2. ... even with Ed Reed, I don't want Keo or Pleasant on anything except special teams. I want a young stud safety waiting in the wings to be groomed by Reed and Manning and to play in our Nickel packages.


Texansfan, I hate to quote myself, but see if these help shed light on ILB which is not a matter of not desiring an upgrade at Mo, but rather it's relative priority. It's a bit like bringing in Greg Jones for $1 million at a minor position like FB that only gets 33% snaps instead of committing $11/$12 million for Leach or Casey:

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There is nothing that would indicate Cushing won't be 100% ready to go, so 2013 will already vastly better than 2/3rds of 2012 at ILB. If we got by with low-rent space fillers like James, Dobbins, Sharpton, and Ruud as starters without Cushing, there certainly is no cause to make this a #2 priority WITH him. However, we already KNOW that this secondary is a disaster without Joseph back there for any period and Quin was essentially our nickle back on passing downs. Joseph is an injury prone player at an injury prone position, so closing the gap between him and his replacement is more critical than say LT, where Brown has been a rock aside from the suspension. It's also why WR needs to be such a priority as we already know how useless we were without AJ and now we don't even have Jacoby or Walter.

Now that we have Ed Reed on board, we get that center-fielder type that will offer a much better traditional safety net with playmaking upside behind J-Joe and Jackson with Manning focusing on traditional strong safety TE coverage. Problem remains that that still means we don't have anyone to cover the slot like Quin did and Harris and McCain can't be trusted in man to man coverage, especially with guys like Welker, Amendola, Hilton, Wright, etc standing between us and playoff success. Additionally, Ed Reed is basically a one year hired gun who we may milk an extra year out of, so the long-term need for a well rounded coverage safety remains, especially with the amount of time our #3 safety still spends on the field.

Ultimately, I don't think we disagree THAT much as clearly we need an ILB, I just would be satisfied with a 3rd-5th round solution or a stop-gap signing at ILB as all we need is a run stopping ILB that can cover TE2 types and that can even be two different players (or just bringing James/Dobbins back). Dansby would be a major upgrade, but I doubt he'd be worth the expense unless he's willing to play cheap for a chance to actually win some games for a change. We can kick the tires on a Bart Scott/Ed Reed reunion as well and see if he'll play for a bit more than James got last year.

Meanwhile, I'd like to see secondary addressed in some manner with a 2nd round safety and/or an experienced CB alternative like Gamble, Grimes, Hall, Jammer, Jenkins as long as they are willing to accept that they are depth signings with a great opportunity to rehab their image like Pacman/Newman did last year (I would make sure they can run though, as the last thing we need is another corner that can be burned deep out of the slot). BTW - in case your wondering, I don't like Scrabble as his skills are not diverse enough for a backup role and like Dunta, he's lost the step he couldn't afford to lose. Finding a coverage safety or competent nickleback is inherently more expensive in picks or salary than a run of the mill tackler in the middle since we already have our sideline to sideline playmaker with Cushing.


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Just to be clear, even when we had a run stuffing ILB superior to anyone in this draft or most others (DeMeco), he played 58% of snaps and that was likely inflated out of respect to his leadership and historical value more than his utility (a bit like Barwin was probably on the field too much last year). That was a significant motivator in trading DeMeco in addition to clearing $9 million in 2013 room to lock up Schaub and Foster long-term before exposing them as UFAs. Drafting an ILB late in the first means adding 4 years/$8 million when Cushing is about to get a massive raise at the other ILB spot this offseason and I don't see anyone doubting the priority of resigning Cush. Watt and Reed loom as post-2014 "must renew" rookie contracts in the front 7 while Kareem will need to show further progression this year before moving into the "core" slated for 2014 renewal. That leaves safety as the position providing a clear path to a starting position in combination with initial utility as #3 and mid-term salary flexibility with Manning and Reed both coming off the books after 2014 (with Reed likely retiring with minimal cap hit and Manning a solid restructure/extension candidate this offseason). From this standpoint, DE also makes some sense, but not in the 1st as Watt is going to command a massive salary and ideally Crick would get a shot of showing himself capable of filling Antonio's shoes next season as 2 years of starter snaps at 4th round salary ($667k, $757k) would be ideal. Any way you slice it, ILB calls for either 1-2 years of stopgap veteran solutions or a middle round developmental pick (aka cheap). I'm assuming Sharpton's prospects are dim and unlikely he would be resigned in the 2013 offseason regardless.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 1:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kenney wrote:
Texansfan713 wrote:
I still don't see why you guys dont think ILB is a need for us too. It's bigger than S and NT IMO. I know who ever starts next to Cushing won't be a 3 down LB, but we could still use someone next to him. One because Cushing is coming back from injury and two because we had Bradie freaking James (a guy we shouldnt resign.), Tim Dobbins (good backup, but not a starting ILB plus he is a FA) and Darryl Shapton (who isnt a starting ILB either IMO). Rudd is a free agent. I think we could use an upgrade at ILB.


I absolutely think it's a huge need and I've been the loudest about it here. However, my thinking has shifted for two reasons:


    1. Despite the fact that I've been adamant that the primary reason our Mo/Meg ILB has been a 2-down backer is because all of ours have been poor scheme fits or bad players, I'm becoming increasingly suspicious of the fact that Wade may actually just prefer to have more DBs on the field. It doesn't make a ton of sense to me, but if that's the case, S moves up in priority over ILB, because...

    2. ... even with Ed Reed, I don't want Keo or Pleasant on anything except special teams. I want a young stud safety waiting in the wings to be groomed by Reed and Manning and to play in our Nickel packages.


kenney - thanks for the "meg" reference as it pertains to ILB. It's perfect. Meg may have a "starting" spot on Peter's couch alongside Stewie, Chris, and Lois, but she is most certainly lower on the totem pole than Brian, Quagmire, Joe, and Cleveland (before he left for Buffalo in free agency). Much like any "Meg" episode, situations where our #2ILB needs to be a "star" should be avoided. Bradie James did have one good episode last year (like the parallel universe sexed up Meg). She can be used to advance the plot a bit and plug some holes, but the show is much better when she goes away and they bring in the "specialists" like Mr. Herbert, Tom Tucker, Mort.



BTW - I'm open to suggestions for TV shows that 42 year olds and 22 year olds can both relate to, so I don't keep forcing the Family Guy references.
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I'm not mad at Barwin for leaving, but he said today if we had offered what the eagles gave him he would have stayed. That's besides the point, the ad he posted was a class act, and the fact Blaine Gabberts name was mentioned within is awesome!
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Apollo Stallion wrote:
BTW - I'm open to suggestions for TV shows that 42 year olds and 22 year olds can both relate to, so I don't keep forcing the Family Guy references.


The Walking Dead and Breaking Bad come to mind. Very Happy
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EliteTexan80 wrote:
Apollo Stallion wrote:
BTW - I'm open to suggestions for TV shows that 42 year olds and 22 year olds can both relate to, so I don't keep forcing the Family Guy references.


The Walking Dead and Breaking Bad come to mind. Very Happy

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