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TiberiusRising
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| big_palooka wrote: | | Joe Nobody wrote: | Can't rely on rookies at CB anymore than you can rely on them at DE/rush LB.
So...how can we best address one hole while masking others? Upgrade the pass rush as best you can. Tried and true. |
Draft and FA. Pass rushers first, followed by CBs. I'm fine with that.
Problem is, I don't see an impact pass rusher in the draft. And the FA class is going to price Oakland out of their market. |
Those are my thoughts on the bolded.
Best we can do is resign Wheeler, sign two CB's like Fletcher and Porter, draft a nickel corner in later rounds. Then go after and try to squeeze in Hayes or Bennett. Unless we are able to trade down of course.
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There is no DE worthy of top 3. There are DT's. Give up on Bryant if he wont sign a low contract. Get Hayes or Bennett to rush the passer but also draft a pass rusher in rounds 3-5. Between Fletcher, Porter, Adams, Ross, Chekwa at least two can emerge as solid starters and much better depth than last season. Get a nickel CB to replace Hanson but any of the other corners can do that if needed. |
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Dreadymatt
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| Posted: Mon Mar 11, 2013 12:07 pm Post subject: |
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| I know some might think this is a long-shot but I've got a sneaking suspicion Adams, Ross and Chekwa could hold the fort, they all showed potential at points last season and are young enough to improve....plus Taiwan could be a long shot |
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TiberiusRising
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| Posted: Mon Mar 11, 2013 12:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Dreadymatt wrote: | | I know some might think this is a long-shot but I've got a sneaking suspicion Adams, Ross and Chekwa could hold the fort, they all showed potential at points last season and are young enough to improve....plus Taiwan could be a long shot |
They could but we want upgrades. So either one we need to have a better player starting or two we need to have competition to make these guys better. Thats why I like my plan. Jones will make either way imo as a ST player and give him time to develop at the CB position. So that would leave us with. Depth is paramount at the CB position. Keeping only 5 or 6 last season was a huge mistake. The good part about this list of CB's is all of them can contribute to ST in some way.
Fletcher
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raiders006
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| Posted: Mon Mar 11, 2013 2:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Huge fan of Adams, he balled out when he got the chance. After him its just a ton of nobodys. Hopefully we can draft CBs and/or land some mid teir FAs since the position is so deep. |
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raidr4life
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| Posted: Mon Mar 11, 2013 3:29 pm Post subject: |
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| TiberiusRising wrote: | | Dreadymatt wrote: | | I know some might think this is a long-shot but I've got a sneaking suspicion Adams, Ross and Chekwa could hold the fort, they all showed potential at points last season and are young enough to improve....plus Taiwan could be a long shot |
They could but we want upgrades. So either one we need to have a better player starting or two we need to have competition to make these guys better. Thats why I like my plan. Jones will make either way imo as a ST player and give him time to develop at the CB position. So that would leave us with. Depth is paramount at the CB position. Keeping only 5 or 6 last season was a huge mistake. The good part about this list of CB's is all of them can contribute to ST in some way.
Fletcher
Porter
Adams
Ross
Chekwa
Rookie
Jones |
No! On Tracy Porter we wanted him last year and he chose the Broncos over us and missed games with injuries yet again.
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TiberiusRising
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| Posted: Mon Mar 11, 2013 3:35 pm Post subject: |
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| raidr4life wrote: | | TiberiusRising wrote: | | Dreadymatt wrote: | | I know some might think this is a long-shot but I've got a sneaking suspicion Adams, Ross and Chekwa could hold the fort, they all showed potential at points last season and are young enough to improve....plus Taiwan could be a long shot |
They could but we want upgrades. So either one we need to have a better player starting or two we need to have competition to make these guys better. Thats why I like my plan. Jones will make either way imo as a ST player and give him time to develop at the CB position. So that would leave us with. Depth is paramount at the CB position. Keeping only 5 or 6 last season was a huge mistake. The good part about this list of CB's is all of them can contribute to ST in some way.
Fletcher
Porter
Adams
Ross
Chekwa
Rookie
Jones |
No! On Tracy Porter we wanted him last year and he chose the Broncos over us and missed games with injuries yet again. |
Why wouldnt he chose the Broncos? And he was out with seizure things not like he tore something and it will bring his value down. I am confident enough in adams, ross, chekwa if he goes down for a couple games.
There is no guy who will be affordable in FA that doesnt have injury concerns unless he is horrible. |
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oakdb36
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| Joe Nobody wrote: | | JTagg7754 wrote: | | 101Raider wrote: |
So the argument becomes who's the better pick, a mediocre/good DE or a good/great CB? |
If it's not the D line, it's the O line, if it's not that, it's the LB core, then S, the TE, then WR etc you get the point. IMO, there is absolutely no reason to draft a CB in the top 10 even in the best cases. |
During our last Super Bowl run, we had Clarence Love and Terrence Shaw starting/playing significant snaps in place of the injured Charles Woodson and Tory James.
They were more than adequate.
Bracket some average CBs between a strong pass rush and a couple good safeties and you're in good shape.
Only thing left to worry about is having your MLB chasing Calvin Johnson down the seam. Effing Bresnahan... |
During our last Super Bowl run, our offense couldn't be stopped.
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DarthDavis
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| Posted: Mon Mar 11, 2013 4:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Joe Nobody wrote: | Can't rely on rookies at CB anymore than you can rely on them at DE/rush LB.
So...how can we best address one hole while masking others? Upgrade the pass rush as best you can. Tried and true. |
I think this is a rather generalized statement for what is certainly a varying degree, in regards to rookie level play. I think a Milliner, Trufant, Rhodes, Peterson, Haden, and others are more then capable of providing average services to the position over the course of a rookie season. I am less confident of Rhodes and Trufant as I am of Milliner.
I feel LESS confident about putting a 240lb DE like Dion Jordan in the mix or a player with 2 years experience like Ansah.
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Silver&Black88
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| Posted: Mon Mar 11, 2013 4:02 pm Post subject: |
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| DarthDavis wrote: | | I feel LESS confident about putting a 240lb DE like Dion Jordan in the mix or a player with 2 years experience like Ansah. |
Jordan wouldn't be a DE primarily.
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DarthDavis
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| Silver&Black88 wrote: | | DarthDavis wrote: | | I feel LESS confident about putting a 240lb DE like Dion Jordan in the mix or a player with 2 years experience like Ansah. |
Jordan wouldn't be a DE primarily. |
If we are moving to a 3-4, how can one even compare Dion Jordan to Jarvis Jones and if you say spinal blah blah, I will say shoulder blah blah?
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Silver&Black88
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| Posted: Mon Mar 11, 2013 4:11 pm Post subject: |
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| DarthDavis wrote: | | Silver&Black88 wrote: | | DarthDavis wrote: | | I feel LESS confident about putting a 240lb DE like Dion Jordan in the mix or a player with 2 years experience like Ansah. |
Jordan wouldn't be a DE primarily. |
If we are moving to a 3-4, how can one even compare Dion Jordan to Jarvis Jones and if you say spinal blah blah, I will say shoulder blah blah? |
Better in coverage and as much potential as a pass rusher. Just as scheme versatile. Then again, I'm really high on Jordan. Besides, a shoulder problem is much less concerning than a spine problem. (you brought it up  )
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DarthDavis
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| Silver&Black88 wrote: | | DarthDavis wrote: | | Silver&Black88 wrote: | | DarthDavis wrote: | | I feel LESS confident about putting a 240lb DE like Dion Jordan in the mix or a player with 2 years experience like Ansah. |
Jordan wouldn't be a DE primarily. |
If we are moving to a 3-4, how can one even compare Dion Jordan to Jarvis Jones and if you say spinal blah blah, I will say shoulder blah blah? |
Better in coverage and as much potential as a pass rusher. Just as scheme versatile. Then again, I'm really high on Jordan. Besides, a shoulder problem is much less concerning than a spine problem. (you brought it up ) |
If he is better in coverage, how come he doesn't have the statistics to back it up? If he has as much potential as a pass rusher how come his sack numbers equal half a Jarvis Jones year? People are quick to forget that Jones led the NCAA in sacks, ahead of Lord Clowney, despite missing two games. I'm sorry if you want to take potential over the real deal, by all means. Just remember that it is potential.
Wrong thread for this though. I do think Milliner will provide average services to the LCB spot if he were drafted at #3. Which would make it a whole lot easier to approach FA.
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Big Rob
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| Posted: Mon Mar 11, 2013 6:04 pm Post subject: |
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i like P. Adams and B. Ross, i would be comfortable with them as our 2-3 corners...wouldnt mine Milliner at #3 either...
Jones, Fisher, Floyd or Milliner lol |
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OakRaiders3828
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| Posted: Mon Mar 11, 2013 6:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Big Rob wrote: | i like P. Adams and B. Ross, i would be comfortable with them as our 2-3 corners...wouldnt mine Milliner at #3 either...
Jones, Fisher, Star or Geno lol |
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big_palooka
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| Posted: Mon Mar 11, 2013 8:00 pm Post subject: |
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Adams is an unknown. He played well, but seriously? Some are ready to start him?
Adams, Chekwa, Ross - these guys are not starters IMO. Not now.
Get me at least 1 solid CB. I like Kennan Lewis in FA personally.
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