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PostPosted: Thu Mar 07, 2013 4:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

EliteTexan80 wrote:
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Had to clear more money to sign Albert long-term somehow. The money they wanted to spend is now tied up in Bowe.

So now either they are forced into a tackle at #1, or they take someone else and have the right side of their line take a hit, particularly in the run game, which will hurt JC and transversely, Alex Smith who relies on having a strong run game.

Have you ever seen Charles run behind Barry Richardson, who was considered one of the worst RT?

Cutting Winston only saved $700K in cap space. Terrible move, just opens up another hole.


To be fair, this isn't akin to when the Texans released Winston last year to free up money to sign C Chris Myers; This is along the lines of the Texans trading DeMeco Ryans to the Eagles. We took the brunt of that cap hit last year, with the intent to save the money on THIS cap, which we did - which is what allowed us to dole out the bucks needed to Duane Brown and Matt Schaub, who have their new contracts come unto play upon the start of the 2013 league year (March 12th).

Same vein. Looking at it from the perspective of what they save now isn't the way to do so, because this move is strictly made with the intent of saving the 2014 and 2015 caps.


Couldn't they have just kept him this season and cut him after?
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I need all the KC fans to rate Winston's 2012 season on a scale of 1 to 10, with 10 being 'all pro' and 1 being Winston Justice.
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I need all the KC fans to rate Winston's 2012 season on a scale of 1 to 10, with 10 being 'all pro' and 1 being Winston Justice.


If player is ON the KC roster = 10, elite player, top 5 in the NFL

If player is NOT on the KC roster = He was just okay.

Hope that helps.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 07, 2013 5:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MaddHatter wrote:
Couldn't they have just kept him this season and cut him after?
Then they accelerate $4.2 million on to next year's cap.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 07, 2013 5:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jeezla wrote:
I need all the KC fans to rate Winston's 2012 season on a scale of 1 to 10, with 10 being 'all pro' and 1 being Winston Justice.


My opinion is not very educated I guess, but I'd say 7.5. Winston can be a solid RT in a ZBS. Not sure exactly if he's a top 10 RT but probably at least in the discussion.

Maybe our new front office likes Donald Stephenson as a RT prospect. Stephenson looked pretty good in the games he played last year as a LT, and I recall him playing some RT and looking good. No, this isn't me acting like Stephenson is a beast or anything, but he did much better than expected since he was drafted in the 3rd round as a developmental type of LT. He's a guy who came in and got better as the season went along and I think a whole training camp as the starter at RT would be huge for him.

I don't think drafting Joeckel AND keeping Albert would be a very smart thing to do. If Albert stays healthy next season and performs well then we are stuck with two guys who will want franchise LT money. This will force us to let Albert walk basically leaving him as a 1 year rental.

If we can get a 2nd rounder or even something like a 3rd and a 5th rounder for Albert, I'd take it IF our scouts and front office are set on taking Joeckel. We'd still just put Stephenson at RT.

Ideally though I'd just prefer we take either Ansah, Milliner, or Jordan and roll with Albert and Stephenson as our tackles.
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big_palooka wrote:
Jeezla wrote:
I need all the KC fans to rate Winston's 2012 season on a scale of 1 to 10, with 10 being 'all pro' and 1 being Winston Justice.


If player is ON your teams roster = 10, elite player, top 5 in the NFL

If player is NOT on your roster roster = He was just okay.

Hope that helps.


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A great friend of my dad lives in K.C and had season tickets for 20 plus years. They were great seats 10 yard line 5 rows back. He gave them up last year because of all the stupid moves K.C has made. I was shocked when he told me this. I guess a lot of fans and K.C want a change and his comments might have called for his release. "Never bit the hand that feeds you Eric" Yes we as fans pay for these out rages contracts. He also told me that not many K.C fans are not happy about Reid being head coach. I was shocked on this too because I thought it was a good hire.
Huh? You mean not many are happy about hiring Reid? I would not expect that they would be, I would not have been had the Bears hired him.
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Seems stupid to get rid of a solid player who is used to blocking for Jamaal Charles. Charles hasn't had any problems putting up numbers running to Winston's side. And whether they are changing their offensive style remains to be seen. You can only do much with an inept game manager checkdown QB like Alex Smith throwing the ball. They are still an offense that is going to rely heavily on the run game and would have likely benefitted more by keeping Winston, drafting a WR in the early 2nd like Keenan Allen or Connor Vernon from Duke and signing Vince Young and running the zone read/option game with Young and Charles. Hope Andy knows what he's doing. getting 2-3 more wins is hardly an improvement, and unless they plan to break even this will still be a failure of a season.
There is no chance that the Chiefs will break even this year.
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Can see the Bears having a big interest in Winston.
Sign Winston + Draft Interior OL = happier days (hopefully)
It isn't clear to me that the Bears can afford even Winston at this point.
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I don't understand why Albert is so against moving. He played LG in college.

I know he gets paid more as a LT but that won't change either ways, he's already proven he can play LT.


He's just been franchised, so he wants to play tackle and get a long term deal as a tackle. If he plays guard this year then he'll get a long term deal more likely as a guard, and there's a big money difference between those deals.


You're misunderstanding. I mean playing RT. Not LG.


Ahh, that clears something up. Still applies thought, LT money is about 2x RT money. If he proves he can play LT again this season he might get the long term LT deal. RT's are soooo expendable too, it's not even funny. The good ones that command the big deals are never safe, because they are simply RT's and if your team is looking to free up cap space that is one of the first places to clear some space. Another reason he wouldn't want to play RT.


He's already proven he can play LT.




But if he plays RT, then his long term deal will reflect one a RT would get. If he plays LT this season (technically his contract year due to the tag) then if he resigns then he gets paid LT money. Simple really.
He's already proven he can play LT.
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MARIO MANGELINI wrote:
jrry32 wrote:
MARIO MANGELINI wrote:
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MARIO MANGELINI wrote:
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I don't understand why Albert is so against moving. He played LG in college.

I know he gets paid more as a LT but that won't change either ways, he's already proven he can play LT.


He's just been franchised, so he wants to play tackle and get a long term deal as a tackle. If he plays guard this year then he'll get a long term deal more likely as a guard, and there's a big money difference between those deals.


You're misunderstanding. I mean playing RT. Not LG.


Ahh, that clears something up. Still applies thought, LT money is about 2x RT money. If he proves he can play LT again this season he might get the long term LT deal. RT's are soooo expendable too, it's not even funny. The good ones that command the big deals are never safe, because they are simply RT's and if your team is looking to free up cap space that is one of the first places to clear some space. Another reason he wouldn't want to play RT.


He's already proven he can play LT.




But if he plays RT, then his long term deal will reflect one a RT would get. If he plays LT this season (technically his contract year due to the tag) then if he resigns then he gets paid LT money. Simple really.
He's already proven he can play LT.


Not at all. If he's proven he can play LT, then he will demand LT money. And some team will absolutely pay it to him because he's proven he can if the Chiefs don't want to.
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Why not keep Winston and allow Albert to go to free agency? Then you draft Joekel and you are set at tackle for years.

I don't get the moves.
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sammymvpknight wrote:
Why not keep Winston and allow Albert to go to free agency? Then you draft Joekel and you are set at tackle for years.

I don't get the moves.


Because you can have Albert at a more premium position for the same price.

And Albert is great in Pass Pro which will be a must with Reid.
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samsel23 wrote:
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Why not keep Winston and allow Albert to go to free agency? Then you draft Joekel and you are set at tackle for years.

I don't get the moves.


Because you can have Albert at a more premium position for the same price.

And Albert is great in Pass Pro which will be a must with Reid.


Albert is absolutely not going to be the same price as Winston was. Not even close.
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Flaccomania wrote:
samsel23 wrote:
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Why not keep Winston and allow Albert to go to free agency? Then you draft Joekel and you are set at tackle for years.

I don't get the moves.


Because you can have Albert at a more premium position for the same price.

And Albert is great in Pass Pro which will be a must with Reid.


Albert is absolutely not going to be the same price as Winston was. Not even close.


It's been said Winston made around 9 mil last season. I don't see Albert getting much more than that.
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