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PostPosted: Mon Mar 04, 2013 2:28 pm    Post subject: Ziggy Reply with quote

No not that stupid comic, I'm talking about Ziggy. 6'6'' BEAST of a man

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I figured I'd offer up my top 3-4 DEs.


1. Ezekiel Ansah

College: BYU
Height: 6'5 1/2"
Weight: 271 lbs
Bench Press: 21 Reps
40 time: 4.63
10 yard split: 1.56
Long Jump: 118"
Vertical: 34.5"
Arm length: 35 1/8"

My Take: This is a beast of a man. He's only been playing football since 2011 and already, his instincts are incredible. His game is all about power, power, power. He has an incredible burst and first step for a man his size, has the arm length and lower body strength to effectively 2 gap in any scheme and his ability to rush the passer has never been in question. Since he hasn't played football for long, he's understandably raw and as a result, doesn't have consistent technique against the run. As expected with every 3-4 DE, that will take time to develop. His work ethic is reportedly great and his motor is consistent with that on tape. This is a guy who does sprints after every play in the direction the ball was headed. If we don't draft Geno at #1 overall, I want this kid. Bad.


What you guys think?
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 04, 2013 2:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When only considering the 3-4 scheme, I see Ansah as more of a OLB than a DE.
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Alright, ryk here's what I see. He's a beast physically. He's athletic strong and both show on film. I see a guy who when he knows where he's going you're not stopping him from getting there. Here's his main problem. He doesn't multi-function well. When he's playing the run, he's playing the run, when he decides to pass rush he's gone. If he isn't sure what he's doing before the play though he kind of nullifies himself to an extent. I see him struggling against the run quite a bit early on. He's not the interior penetrator that Sheldon is IMO, but he's great outside. I'd be all over him as a 4-3 DE. #1 prospect I've looked at for that position. I'm still not sure he's a 3-4 DE, and I really feel like his potential would be squashed in that position.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 04, 2013 2:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Alright, ryk here's what I see. He's a beast physically. He's athletic strong and both show on film. I see a guy who when he knows where he's going you're not stopping him from getting there. Here's his main problem. He doesn't multi-function well. When he's playing the run, he's playing the run, when he decides to pass rush he's gone. If he isn't sure what he's doing before the play though he kind of nullifies himself to an extent. I see him struggling against the run quite a bit early on. He's not the interior penetrator that Sheldon is IMO, but he's great outside. I'd be all over him as a 4-3 DE. #1 prospect I've looked at for that position. I'm still not sure he's a 3-4 DE, and I really feel like his potential would be squashed in that position.


RVM,
I agree with this. That is pretty much what I saw when watching BYU. Solid prospect when projecting to 4-3 DE and 3-4 OLB - not so much for 3-4 DE IMO.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 04, 2013 2:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I will add something else. Alot of people compare Ansah to Jason Pierre-Paul and I have to be honest I don't necessarily see that. I have seen others compare him to Justin Tuck and TBH, I think that is a much more appropriate comparison. Tuck has developed into a solid pass rushing 4-3 defensive end but is also able to slide inside in a 4-3 front because of his ability to anchor and also hit gaps inside.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 04, 2013 2:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nicfre2011 wrote:
I will add something else. Alot of people compare Ansah to Jason Pierre-Paul and I have to be honest I don't necessarily see that. I have seen others compare him to Justin Tuck and TBH, I think that is a much more appropriate comparison. Tuck has developed into a solid pass rushing 4-3 defensive end but is also able to slide inside in a 4-3 front because of his ability to anchor and also hit gaps inside.


So you see Ansah lining up at DT as well? I love the guy after watching couple hours of footage. I think when we look at the draft versatility should be key. how well do they play their secondary position?? if he can be elite at either or DE,DT,OLB then why not grab this guy?

you think he is a JPP pass rusher? with Tuck Gap technique?
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 04, 2013 2:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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nicfre2011 wrote:
I will add something else. Alot of people compare Ansah to Jason Pierre-Paul and I have to be honest I don't necessarily see that. I have seen others compare him to Justin Tuck and TBH, I think that is a much more appropriate comparison. Tuck has developed into a solid pass rushing 4-3 defensive end but is also able to slide inside in a 4-3 front because of his ability to anchor and also hit gaps inside.


So you see Ansah lining up at DT as well? I love the guy after watching couple hours of footage. I think when we look at the draft versatility should be key. how well do they play their secondary position?? if he can be elite at either or DE,DT,OLB then why not grab this guy?

you think he is a JPP pass rusher? with Tuck Gap technique?


I think the potential is there for Ansah to develop into a player that is able to be used in multiple ways. I think that versatility is centered around the 4-3 defense more than the 3-4 TBH. I don't know that I see him on the level of Jason Pierre-Paul as a pass rusher unless he really develops incredibly from where he is now. If he is put in the right position with the right coaching, I think he could develop into a solid pass rusher.

Again, I am looking at him as primarily being a potential impact player in a 4-3. I don't see him having quite the same ceiling in a 3-4 defense outside of playing strictly 3-4 OLB - I wouldn't want to put him on the line in a 3 man front.

Now if we wanted to jockey around Houston or Hali (move Houston to ILB for example or trade Hali, neither of which I think is realistic, especially trading Hali with his salary) and have Ansah play OLB, I could see the potential impact there.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 04, 2013 3:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think he has the potential to be a BEAST as an OLB in the 3-4. Unfortunately for us we have Tamba and Houston. This is just a really bad year to have the 1st pick. And to make it even worse it's coming after one of the best QB classes ever. How many of us would have pulled the trigger on an RG3 or Tannehill trade or drafted Wilson in the 3rd? I know I would have done one of the three. Screw Pioli.

At this point I just don't want Joeckel very much. Maybe my mind will change. The more I read about Milliner the less I think he is worth a top 5 pick. Our options are so limited at this point I don't see us taking anyone other than Joeckel. It just kind of sucks having historically the worst long-standing QB situation ever, missing out on RG3, Luck, Tannehill, Weeden, Foles, and Wilson. And now having Alex Smith as our franchise guy. I like Alex Smith, I guess I just wanted an RG3 or Luck type player. Chiefs fans deserve it. I went back and watched RG3, Luck, and Wilsons QB camp with Jon Gruden and you could tell that they were going to be beasts. Of course I use hindsight when saying that, but still. All of Geno's interviews seem forced-ish. I'm starting to think less of Geno the more I think about it. Just don't see him being ready to start right away, and really just don't see him being the type of guy to lift a whole franchise up like Luck/RG3/Wilson.

At this point I'd probably prefer (probably even if Albert walks, because we have Stephenson) Dion Jordan or Ezekiel Ansah with our 1st pick. You can never have too many passrushers and by two years Tamba Hali will be out of his prime and won't offer much as a player. I like Poe as our NT and don't see any elite 3/4 DE prospects.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 04, 2013 3:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I dont think his potential is wasted at 34 DE. He has plenty of size and room to add weight too. Most people think that it is hard to produce at this position, but a player like JJ Watt Justin Smith can have a huge impact for a defense.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 04, 2013 4:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nic, I like the Justin Tuck comparison. A lot. I'd say Ansah is more athletic and has a higher ceiling, but they're very similar players in terms of physical build and overall skill set.

Da_Zou13 wrote:
I dont think his potential is wasted at 34 DE. He has plenty of size and room to add weight too. Most people think that it is hard to produce at this position, but a player like JJ Watt Justin Smith can have a huge impact for a defense.


Exactly why I'm so high on him. He's easily the best pass rusher in this year's draft and he's only been playing football for two years. Therefore, his technique is super raw and his instincts are only going to get better, too. He's at around 270 lbs right now and he moves better than Justin Houston or Jared Allen did at the combine. He has the frame to add on another 10-15 lbs of bulk without losing his athleticism and that would only mean more dominance as a pass rusher and getting a stronger lower body to help in the run game.


I envision Ansah being a wildcard you have to account for on defense. On rushing downs, it'll take him some time to learn technique (just like every other 3-4 DE in the history of the league, even JJ Watt...), but once he does, he'll certainly be strong enough and athletic enough with long enough arms to effectively 2 gap if necessary. He's obviously a great pass rushing threat already as a DE, whether it be as a 4-3 or 3-4 DE. The great thing about him is his versatility and reported work ethic. He's athletic enough to move to OLB in certain packages or even to permanently replace Tamba once his play starts to decline. He's also a good fit as a 3 technique in certain packages, so just think about what that means for our defense. At any given point, we could have four guys on our line who can effectively put pressure on the line in Houston, Hali, Ansah and Poe. Hell, who knows how TJax will react if we run a 1 gap scheme? He could become a legitimate threat, too. Just depends on the scheme and the talent around him.

Some people will say "that's overkill". Well, to that, I say "New York Football Giants".

If we don't take Geno, I want Ansah. And I want him BAD.

I would hope I've built up some credibility when projecting players to the NFL, but I feel I specialize in corners, defensive lineman and offensive lineman. Everyone was down on Poe last year, but I feel like I was the only one who liked him.

Ziggy gives me the same giddy feeling I had last year with Poe. Great work ethic, great measurables, desire to learn and an incredible motor. This kid is going to be something special and aside from Geno, I really don't see anyone else who is worth a top 5 pick, considering how each player projects to our roster. Of course, I like Ansah much more than Star when you look at what our team needs are (pass rush, pass rush, pass rush).
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Nic, I like the Justin Tuck comparison. A lot. I'd say Ansah is more athletic and has a higher ceiling, but they're very similar players in terms of physical build and overall skill set.

Justin Tuck was absolutely the first guy that came to mind watching him.
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Justin Tuck was absolutely the first guy that came to mind watching him.


Looking at it from that perspective, wouldn't you give up the 1st overall pick for a younger, more athletic version of Tuck? Wink

For conversation's sake, is a poor man's Haloti Ngata. More like a stronger, but slower Randy Starks. Hmm. Neither is really the greatest comparison. Thoughts?
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Ryk, have you ever seen Ngata? This guy looks like a slot receiver compared to him...lol

I got so much more excited for the draft today. If we can slide back to say 8...literally so many guys that could impact and improve our team.
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When people started proposing drafting another 34 olb with R1.01 I was against it. However, I've reconsidered after considering how Alton Smith was used year one -- as a pass rushing specialist.

As the proponents of this claimed, Tamba Hali is getting up there a bit. This guy or Hali could be shifted inside in nickel/dime sets. Hali is very strong too.

Then down the road the new guy takes over for Hali, who really isn't that great at many 34 olb functions anyway.

I still think I'd rather see Star Lotuleilei, assuming Albert is kept long term. But this would not be that bad of an idea.
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Mongo, are you referencing Arthur Brown, LB Kstate or Aldon Smith DE/OLB for the 49ers?
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