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PostPosted: Sun Mar 03, 2013 4:45 pm    Post subject: Pre Free-Agency Mock Draft Reply with quote

Pre Free-Agency Mock Draft

Free Agency:
Terrance Knighton (DT): With Jack Del Rio ties, he replaces Kevin Vickerson who seeks a larger contract than we are willing to pay. Also at 26 years old still has upside and likely knows Del Rios scheme better than any other free agent. (3 year contract)

Jason Jones (DT): Denver needs an interior pass rusher and Jason Jones offers a rotational player who could come cheap. (1year prove it deal)

Shonn Greene (RB): A solid running back that is a capable runner, and with the right opportunity could flourish. Postpones the need to draft a true starter running back. (2 year contract)

Donald Thomas (G): Allows us to be more expendable with Kuper who is set to make around 4.5 million dollars. Solid starter good at both pass pro and run block. Pats may have too many players to resign to retain Donald Thomas. (2year contract)

Resign:
1. Ryan Clady: Franchise
2. Mitch Unrien: Good rotational player and looks to improve again possibly becoming a legit starter. (2year deal)
3. David Bruton: ST specialist. ( 2 year deal)
4. Chris Clark: Good depth and knows the scheme ( 3 year deal)
5. Britton Colquitt: Borderline elite punter that we lock up for a while. ( 4year deal)
6. Jason Hunter: Was the original starter and could get time again. ( 1 year prove it deal)a
7. Brandon Stokely: Starting slot and is our receiver leadership, takes a receiver under his wing (1 year deal)
8. Justin Bannan: Cheap and solid. (1 year)

Contract Departures:
1. Tracy Porter
2. Keith Brooking
3. Lance Ball
4. Andre Caldwell
5. Chris Gronkowski
6. Jim Leohnard
7. Ty Warren
8. Dan Koppen

Cuts /Trades:
1. DJ Williams: 6 million
2. Joe Mays: 4million
3. Knowshon Moreno: Traded to philly for a 6th due to uncertainty with Lesean McCoy and his offering of catching the ball out of the back field similar to McCoy.
4. Chris Kuper: expensive player who has been hurt in recent years. I like Kuper a lot but it might be time to move on.
*These departures save us 15.3 million dollars and a near 20 million dollar cap hit.
Draft:

1st 28th: Manti Tíeo (MLB): Very good player who drops because of reasons that are irrelevant to him as a person and how he plays football. He is an automatic start at the mike and will be a difference maker now and in the long run. Also a leader
*Manti won the - Butkus award joining players who have all flourished in the NFL after winning this award.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butkus_Award
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJfkFuJDPd4

2nd 58th: John Jenkins (DT): Good player who rotates snaps with Terrance Knighton. Slips due to rising stars and athletic freaks. Helps us immediately against the run and is a capably back field penetrator due to over powering strength and long arms. May trim down a little to fit the 4-3 scheme better by losing 15lbs but fills need with BPA.
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2013/profiles/john-jenkins?id=2539231

This tape displays his strength and what to expect:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Q1_UbTq4EQ

3rd 90th: Robert Woods (WR): Good player that can play the #2 wide out position. Mainly someone who can play incase DT or Decker go down. Has tremendous speed coupled with great route running.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HntP81YXPxY
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2013/profiles/robert-woods?id=2540169

4th 122nd: Ryan Swope (WR): Fast physical receiver that plays slot and goes under Stokleys wing for a year. Could be an impact player just by getting the ball in his hand due to his speed and balance. Also a leader and a capable blocker.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCosoGT0beM
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2013/profiles/ryan-swope?id=2539323

5th 154th: Tyrann Mathieu(CB): The steal of the draft . I donít see character concerns in the future and we all know he balls out when he plays. I see it as a low risk high reward.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-U7_hzArz2w (playmaker and game changer)
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2013/profiles/tyrann-mathieu?id=2540180

6th 186th: Shawn Williams(SS): Hard hitter and leader. Could be an eventual starter but more of a BPA pick. Could fall but just as easily could be picked earlier.
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2013/profiles/shawn-williams?id=2539233
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8cdUwCXSIs

7th 218th : Xavier Nixon (T): Good player who got hurt, long and could compete for a job in a year or two.
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2013/profiles/xavier-nixon?id=2539222

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 03, 2013 5:02 pm    Post subject: Re: Pre Free-Agency Mock Draft Reply with quote

roar2014 wrote:
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3. Knowshon Moreno: Traded to philly for a 6th due to uncertainty with Lesean McCoy and his offering of catching the ball out of the back field similar to McCoy.


All look good except that trade.

The Eagles are already set with LeSean McCoy and Bryce Brown.
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Shonn Green is not a solid RB. He imo is bad RB. He only really produced when his OL was elite and he wasn't even that good.

I can't see Swope going in the 4th. He was a 3rd round guy before his fantastic combine.

Manti T`eo is not worth a first. He isn't a good player and I'm sure you've seen the arguments for why.
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Donut wrote:
Shonn Green is not a solid RB. He imo is bad RB. He only really produced when his OL was elite and he wasn't even that good.

I can't see Swope going in the 4th. He was a 3rd round guy before his fantastic combine.

Manti T`eo is not worth a first. He isn't a good player and I'm sure you've seen the arguments for why.


How is Manti a bad player. He was runner up in the heisman. Since when does a linebacker need too run straight for 40 yards. He is a capable run stuffing linebacker that can drop back in coverage and is better than any middleline backer on our team
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roar2014 wrote:
Donut wrote:
Shonn Green is not a solid RB. He imo is bad RB. He only really produced when his OL was elite and he wasn't even that good.

I can't see Swope going in the 4th. He was a 3rd round guy before his fantastic combine.

Manti T`eo is not worth a first. He isn't a good player and I'm sure you've seen the arguments for why.


How is Manti a bad player. He was runner up in the heisman. Since when does a linebacker need too run straight for 40 yards. He is a capable run stuffing linebacker that can drop back in coverage and is better than any middleline backer on our team


And Eric Crouch won the Heisman. So did Tim Tebow. Those things don't make you a good NFL player.

He's capable when his line keeps defenders off, but when he can't shed blocks, and isn't fast enough to cover in nickel, he won't be so capable then
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 03, 2013 5:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If Teo is there at 28 it would be hard not to look at him. He was so productive in college and despite he 40 time, was great in coverage. A lot of great players have dropped because of measurables over the years (Brandon Spikes).

Just and opinion, but I believe if the dback Elway wants is still available at 28 he will go that route.

I get leary of people that get a lot "better" after the season.

If Woods is there in the 3rd and we could get him, I would be estatic.
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roar2014 wrote:
Donut wrote:
Shonn Green is not a solid RB. He imo is bad RB. He only really produced when his OL was elite and he wasn't even that good.

I can't see Swope going in the 4th. He was a 3rd round guy before his fantastic combine.

Manti T`eo is not worth a first. He isn't a good player and I'm sure you've seen the arguments for why.


How is Manti a bad player. He was runner up in the heisman. Since when does a linebacker need too run straight for 40 yards. He is a capable run stuffing linebacker that can drop back in coverage and is better than any middleline backer on our team

And Eric Crouch won the Heisman. So did Tim Tebow. Those things don't make you a good NFL player.

He's capable when his line keeps defenders off, but when he can't shed blocks, and isn't fast enough to cover in nickel, he won't be so capable then


He is a zone cover linebacker so on nickel situations he could be on the field and he has far better cover skills than joe mays and has good lateral speed. As for the heisman, being in the heisman race means you were one of the best in College and he was recognized for that and his 40 Time isn't shown on game tape. And if not manti what MLB would you want
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broncos67 wrote:
roar2014 wrote:
Donut wrote:
Shonn Green is not a solid RB. He imo is bad RB. He only really produced when his OL was elite and he wasn't even that good.

I can't see Swope going in the 4th. He was a 3rd round guy before his fantastic combine.

Manti T`eo is not worth a first. He isn't a good player and I'm sure you've seen the arguments for why.


How is Manti a bad player. He was runner up in the heisman. Since when does a linebacker need too run straight for 40 yards. He is a capable run stuffing linebacker that can drop back in coverage and is better than any middleline backer on our team

And Eric Crouch won the Heisman. So did Tim Tebow. Those things don't make you a good NFL player.

He's capable when his line keeps defenders off, but when he can't shed blocks, and isn't fast enough to cover in nickel, he won't be so capable then


He is a zone cover linebacker so on nickel situations he could be on the field and he has far better cover skills than joe mays and has good lateral speed. As for the heisman, being in the heisman race means you were one of the best in College and he was recognized for that and his 40 Time isn't shown on game tape. And if not manti what MLB would you want


If not Manti? I'd either want Alec Ogletree or Sio Moore.
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broncos67 wrote:
roar2014 wrote:
Donut wrote:
Shonn Green is not a solid RB. He imo is bad RB. He only really produced when his OL was elite and he wasn't even that good.

I can't see Swope going in the 4th. He was a 3rd round guy before his fantastic combine.

Manti T`eo is not worth a first. He isn't a good player and I'm sure you've seen the arguments for why.


How is Manti a bad player. He was runner up in the heisman. Since when does a linebacker need too run straight for 40 yards. He is a capable run stuffing linebacker that can drop back in coverage and is better than any middleline backer on our team


And Eric Crouch won the Heisman. So did Tim Tebow. Those things don't make you a good NFL player.

He's capable when his line keeps defenders off, but when he can't shed blocks, and isn't fast enough to cover in nickel, he won't be so capable then

He's also soft and not a good player. He's mediocre and a late round w/ a lot of hype.
http://www.footballsfuture.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=514752&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
That has summed up arguments. If you dont want to read through main meat of arguments are around pg 5.
Heisman means nothing. Some great college guys suck in the pros and arent good player. Jason White wasn't drafted and just never got more than one TC.
rhuston wrote:
If Teo is there at 28 it would be hard not to look at him. He was so productive in college and despite he 40 time, was great in coverage. A lot of great players have dropped because of measurables over the years (Brandon Spikes).

Brandon Spikes also was a great run defender. He had way better instincts, burst, A gap blitzing ability, shedding blockers, and in general a violent Lber. Manti isn't violent he's soft and can't get off blocks. He's probably better cover guy than Spikes(he actually wasn't bad in college you can see his slow 40 in man coverage though). Honestly if Spikes had avg speed he'd be one of the best LBers in the league. But i dont think either could cover the Grahams, Hernandez's, Gronks, etc...
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He is a zone cover linebacker so on nickel situations he could be on the field and he has far better cover skills than joe mays and has good lateral speed. As for the heisman, being in the heisman race means you were one of the best in College and he was recognized for that and his 40 Time isn't shown on game tape. And if not manti what MLB would you want

Wait so you're using a first round pick and justifying it because he's better at one aspect for a mediocre player. Mays is a guy that if cut will probably be a backup or role player anywhere else.
So should a team reach on a guy because he's an upgrade at a weak spot? you take the best value and player. Not mediocre one because you ahve mediocre starter there.
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Her are my thoughts.

-NO NO NO to Mantai Te'o. One, the MLB is just not that important to our scheme; we run nickel 65% of the time, Te'o is no where near athletic enough to play as a nickel LB and we'd be spending a premium pick on a player who would only see at most 35% of the snaps. Two, he'd bring a Tebow-esque media circus with him that Elway & Co would would wise to avoid. Three, Te'o just overrated. I don't care what accolades he got in college, his game translates poorly to the NFL as a 4-3 MLB. He is terrible at getting off blocks (as we saw against Alabama), he will routinely get washed out of plays unless he has a Sam Adams/Tony Siragusa-like pair of DTs in front of him, he offers nothing in the pass rush and would get eaten alive trying to cover TEs and RBs in the NFL.

-I like the idea of taking a WR at some point in the 2nd-4th rounds; the depth is crazy at WR this year and we could use another young receiver. But I do not like the idea of taking two. Plus Swope won't make it to the 4th round; he will get over-drafted thanks to that 4.3 40. I know I sound like a broken record but Conner Vernon is a great developmental prospect as a slot WR and should be available in the 4th.

-Tyrann Mathieu is an impressive athlete but bringing him to a state that just legalized pot, while the NFL still forbids and drug tests for it, is a disaster waiting to happen. I don't begrudge anyone for dancing with Mary Jane but the NFL does and it's a risk I don't think Elway would want to take.

-I think we can restructure Kuper's contract rather than just release him. Yeah he is sudden injury issues are worrisome but he's not even 30 years old yet, is still a damn fine OG when he's healthy and is a team leader and lockerroom glue. It would be smart to draft someone who can play inside but I don't think we need to get rid of Kuper just yet. We need to give him one more year; Franklin is a much better RT when Kuper is lined up next to him.
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broncos67 wrote:
roar2014 wrote:
broncos67 wrote:
roar2014 wrote:
Donut wrote:
Shonn Green is not a solid RB. He imo is bad RB. He only really produced when his OL was elite and he wasn't even that good.

I can't see Swope going in the 4th. He was a 3rd round guy before his fantastic combine.

Manti T`eo is not worth a first. He isn't a good player and I'm sure you've seen the arguments for why.


How is Manti a bad player. He was runner up in the heisman. Since when does a linebacker need too run straight for 40 yards. He is a capable run stuffing linebacker that can drop back in coverage and is better than any middleline backer on our team

And Eric Crouch won the Heisman. So did Tim Tebow. Those things don't make you a good NFL player.

He's capable when his line keeps defenders off, but when he can't shed blocks, and isn't fast enough to cover in nickel, he won't be so capable then


He is a zone cover linebacker so on nickel situations he could be on the field and he has far better cover skills than joe mays and has good lateral speed. As for the heisman, being in the heisman race means you were one of the best in College and he was recognized for that and his 40 Time isn't shown on game tape. And if not manti what MLB would you want


If not Manti? I'd either want Alec Ogletree or Sio Moore.


I actually did like Ogletree but I just dont see Elway or Fox drafting him. Another player I really liked was Arthur Brown from K-State. He is fast and instinctive but I saw him listed as OLB, but Brown is one of my favorite prospects coming out.
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roar,

Dead on with Arthur Brown too. He's an interesting prospect. Personally, I think he can play MLB, but that's gonna be an interesting debate leading to the draft.
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AnAngryAmerican wrote:
Her are my thoughts.

-NO NO NO to Mantai Te'o. One, the MLB is just not that important to our scheme; we run nickel 65% of the time, Te'o is no where near athletic enough to play as a nickel LB and we'd be spending a premium pick on a player who would only see at most 35% of the snaps. Two, he'd bring a Tebow-esque media circus with him that Elway & Co would would wise to avoid. Three, Te'o just overrated. I don't care what accolades he got in college, his game translates poorly to the NFL as a 4-3 MLB. He is terrible at getting off blocks (as we saw against Alabama), he will routinely get washed out of plays unless he has a Sam Adams/Tony Siragusa-like pair of DTs in front of him, he offers nothing in the pass rush and would get eaten alive trying to cover TEs and RBs in the NFL.


From what I have seen and read Manti is actually pretty good against the pass, and yes at the BCS title game he did play poorly against them but that's a hell of oline to face. But Ogletree played very well against bama if you watch his game against them. At 28th pick I think that are pick is between T'eo and ogletree if they are both there.

Judge them yourself though:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZy_y0on4u8

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broncos67 wrote:
roar2014 wrote:
broncos67 wrote:
roar2014 wrote:
Donut wrote:
Shonn Green is not a solid RB. He imo is bad RB. He only really produced when his OL was elite and he wasn't even that good.

I can't see Swope going in the 4th. He was a 3rd round guy before his fantastic combine.

Manti T`eo is not worth a first. He isn't a good player and I'm sure you've seen the arguments for why.


How is Manti a bad player. He was runner up in the heisman. Since when does a linebacker need too run straight for 40 yards. He is a capable run stuffing linebacker that can drop back in coverage and is better than any middleline backer on our team

And Eric Crouch won the Heisman. So did Tim Tebow. Those things don't make you a good NFL player.

He's capable when his line keeps defenders off, but when he can't shed blocks, and isn't fast enough to cover in nickel, he won't be so capable then


He is a zone cover linebacker so on nickel situations he could be on the field and he has far better cover skills than joe mays and has good lateral speed. As for the heisman, being in the heisman race means you were one of the best in College and he was recognized for that and his 40 Time isn't shown on game tape. And if not manti what MLB would you want


If not Manti? I'd either want Alec Ogletree or Sio Moore.
I'm not sure I agree that Moore can play MLB. He looks more like a SLB to me. He looks pretty fluid in coverage and looks great rushing the passer. A real poor man's version of Von Miller is what I see.
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I think Moore can play each LB position honestly.
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