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Conrad Buff
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 Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 5:01 pm Post subject: Geno Smith Possibility? |
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Well the Chiefs trade for Alex Smith. Do you think that consequently leads to the Jaguars drafting Geno Smith?
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It certainly makes it more possible than what we thought before, but I question what the Chiefs (with "QB guru" Andy Reid) chose to give up as much as they did for Alex Smith, rather than draft Geno. There's certainly been a lot of knocks on Geno, and this choice continues to validate them.
Of course, you could say the same thing about someone like Matt Ryan, who had many of the same knocks that kept him from going to the QB needy Dolphins, who opted to draft Chad Henne later.
I'm kinda leaning towards this still meaning that we don't draft one in the first round. The staff seems to think Gabbert is as good as most of these prospects, so drafting one so early isn't a great idea. Especially when the clear need for a pass rusher is waiting to be filled by any number of the prospects.
This, however, could be great as we see all the QB prospects drop a QB needy team lower.This would mean that we could see a mid-round 1st guy staring at us in the face when 33 or 64 comes up. Either we get a QB or have a lot of leverage for a team to trade up like the Jets.
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This changes nothing for me.
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I still don't like him at #2. Too many questionmarks for me, and some big ones at that. So this doesn't really change anything for me in that regard.
It does however, make me a bit more hopeful that we might be able to swing a trade-back with a QB-needy team that does really like Geno. Though it's still a bit of a longshot probably, unless someone really feels the need to leapfrog the Raiders or Eagles.
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"With the second pick in the 2013 NFL draft, the Jacksonville Jaguars select Gene Smith, Former GM out of Jacksonville Florida."
Dave Caldwell: "It's a typo! It's a typo!!! GOODELL PLS"
Geno is too risky.
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We aren't picking him and he wouldn't be a very good pick.
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Conrad Buff
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Well I honestly didn't think it was a possibility for us to be in this position because I was convinced that KC was going to draft him. Now that circumstances have led me to believe that Geno will be available I can't say I'm opposed to the idea. With Gabbert's first two years of below-average play I honestly wouldn't be surprised if we did.
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Tugboat
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| Conrad Buff wrote: | | Well I honestly didn't think it was a possibility for us to be in this position because I was convinced that KC was going to draft him. Now that circumstances have led me to believe that Geno will be available I can't say I'm opposed to the idea. With Gabbert's first two years of below-average play I honestly wouldn't be surprised if we did. |
My problem with that is, that what Gabbert has done shouldn't really impact the evaluation of how good Geno is or how we value him. And when you ignore the fact that Gabbert has disappointed...and just isolate Geno Smith as a prospect, i don't like him as the pick at #2.
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Conrad Buff
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| Tugboat wrote: | | Conrad Buff wrote: | | Well I honestly didn't think it was a possibility for us to be in this position because I was convinced that KC was going to draft him. Now that circumstances have led me to believe that Geno will be available I can't say I'm opposed to the idea. With Gabbert's first two years of below-average play I honestly wouldn't be surprised if we did. |
My problem with that is, that what Gabbert has done shouldn't really impact the evaluation of how good Geno is or how we value him. And when you ignore the fact that Gabbert has disappointed...and just isolate Geno Smith as a prospect, i don't like him as the pick at #2. |
I see what you're saying but I think you slightly misunderstood me. I'm not using the point that Gabbert has played below-average to enhance Geno's talent. I'm just using that to point out that we need a QB regardless of who it is.
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I'm All In for Geno.
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Make it happen, Dave.
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Tugboat
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| Conrad Buff wrote: | | Tugboat wrote: | | Conrad Buff wrote: | | Well I honestly didn't think it was a possibility for us to be in this position because I was convinced that KC was going to draft him. Now that circumstances have led me to believe that Geno will be available I can't say I'm opposed to the idea. With Gabbert's first two years of below-average play I honestly wouldn't be surprised if we did. |
My problem with that is, that what Gabbert has done shouldn't really impact the evaluation of how good Geno is or how we value him. And when you ignore the fact that Gabbert has disappointed...and just isolate Geno Smith as a prospect, i don't like him as the pick at #2. |
I see what you're saying but I think you slightly misunderstood me. I'm not using the point that Gabbert has played below-average to enhance Geno's talent. I'm just using that to point out that we need a QB regardless of who it is. |
You're not wrong. Barring some major boon in Gabbert's development, we do badly need a QB.
I just think that sort of reasoning is the sort of thing that leads teams down the road to 'reaches' and often mistakes. When that 'need a QB regardless of who it is' starts playing into a #2 overall pick...i think you really have to start asking if you're artificially pushing people up the board out of desperation.
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Conrad Buff
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| Tugboat wrote: | | Conrad Buff wrote: | | Tugboat wrote: | | Conrad Buff wrote: | | Well I honestly didn't think it was a possibility for us to be in this position because I was convinced that KC was going to draft him. Now that circumstances have led me to believe that Geno will be available I can't say I'm opposed to the idea. With Gabbert's first two years of below-average play I honestly wouldn't be surprised if we did. |
My problem with that is, that what Gabbert has done shouldn't really impact the evaluation of how good Geno is or how we value him. And when you ignore the fact that Gabbert has disappointed...and just isolate Geno Smith as a prospect, i don't like him as the pick at #2. |
I see what you're saying but I think you slightly misunderstood me. I'm not using the point that Gabbert has played below-average to enhance Geno's talent. I'm just using that to point out that we need a QB regardless of who it is. |
You're not wrong. Barring some major boon in Gabbert's development, we do badly need a QB.
I just think that sort of reasoning is the sort of thing that leads teams down the road to 'reaches' and often mistakes. When that 'need a QB regardless of who it is' starts playing into a #2 overall pick...i think you really have to start asking if you're artificially pushing people up the board out of desperation. |
Yet you cannot ignore the fact that the need is still there. At this point in time Geno is the best option in free agency and draft. As a diehard fan I'm hungry for a superbowl. I'm pretty opposed to the idea of waiting until next year for a QB who is decent. Nearly every prospect list has Geno in the top 10 of all prospects. Honestly I don't know what will happen but I think Dave will make the right decision.
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Mort (so take it with a grain of salt) just said on ESPN32 that the Raiders have an interest in Geno with the 3rd pick in the Draft.
/sendinyouroffersfor2
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| iPwn wrote: | | http://www.bigcatcountry.com/2013/2/27/4036374/geno-smith-jaguars-nfl-draft-2013 |
I still don't like this Geno Smith = Matt Ryan? theme that keeps popping up. They're both similar in that they are/were questionmarks as top-picks in the draft. But outside that and playing the same position, i don't think they're really all that similar.
This idea that 'well Caldwell was part of drafting a 'flawed QB' once, so maybe he'll like Geno' seems really sketchy to me.
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