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PostPosted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 11:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Signing Hampton does NOT address the issue you're referencing, which I agree is an issue until we see what Armon Armstead has to bring if anything. However signing Hampton does add to what the defense is capable of handling from offenses and it does disguise a temporary problem temporarily.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 6:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BP wrote:
Signing Hampton does NOT address the issue you're referencing, which I agree is an issue until we see what Armon Armstead has to bring if anything. However signing Hampton does add to what the defense is capable of handling from offenses and it does disguise a temporary problem temporarily.


If anything, Hampton (or similar) makes it easier for offenses to handle the Pats. Just get them in a base 4 man front and throw the ball. Hampton would be better than Love in the pass game but moving Wilfork to UT in base would just make the pass rush worse. He's still going to get double teamed and Hampton offers nothing at all as a pass rusher.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 7:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If I had to change anything now finding out the Pats official cap room number is 25 million, I would negate the Casey Hampton, Matt Cassel, and Danny Woodhead signings as well as possibly Brandon Gibson just because the money isn't there.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 01, 2013 3:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bunch of notable changes made to the 32 team NFL Mock Draft for those interested in it.

1. KC Chiefs: Luke Joeckel, Left Tackle, Texas A&M [Additional Move(s): Acquire Quarterback Alex Smith from San Francisco 49ers via trade]

2. JAC Jaguars: Chance Warmack, Left Guard, Alabama [Additional Move(s): Acquire Jarvis Jones, Outside Linebacker, Georgia with second round pick]

3. OAK Raiders: DeMarcus Millner, Cornerback, Alabama [Additional Move(s): Retain Free Agent Defensive Tackle Desmond Bryant]

4. PHI Eagles: Lane Johnson, Left Tackle, Oklahoma [Additional Move(s): Acquire Jonathan Banks, Cornerback, Mississippi State with second round pick]

5. **BUF Bills: Geno Smith, Quarterback, West Virginia [Additional Move(s): Acquire Alec Ogletree, Linebacker, Georgia with second round pick]

6. CLE Brown: Dion Jordan, Defensive End/Outside Linebacker, Oregon [Additional Move(s): Acquire EJ Manuel, Quarterback, Florida State with third round pick]

7. ARI Cardinals: Eric Fisher, Left Tackle, Central Michigan [Additional Move(s): Acquire Quarterback Ryan Mallett via trade with New England Patriots in exchange for 2013 second round pick; Acquire Tyler Bray, Quarterback, Tennessee with second third round pick]

8. **DET Lions: Ezekiel Ansah, Defensive End, Brigham & Young (BYU) [Additional Move(s): Acquire Tony Jefferson, Free Safety, Oklahoma with second round pick; (Acquired BUF Bills 2014 second round pick in addition to their 2013 third round pick)]

9. NY Jets: Cordarrelle Patterson, Wide Receiver, Tennessee [Additional Move(s): Retain Free Agent Offensive Guards Brandon Moore & Matt Slausen; Acquire Mike Glennon, Quarterback, North Carolina State with second round pick]

10. TEN Titans: Star Lotuelei, Defensive Tackle, Utah [Additional Move(s): Acquire Kyle Long, Offensive Left Guard, Oregon with second round pick]

11. SD Chargers: Barkevious Mingo, Outside Linebacker, Louisiana State (LSU) [Additional Move(s): Acquire Free Agent Cornerback Sean Smith from Miami Dolphins; Acquire Blidi-Wreh Wilson, Cornerback, UConn with second round pick]

12. MIA Dolphins: Justin Hunter, Wide Receiver, Tennessee [Additional Move(s): Acquire Eddy Lacy, Runningback, Alabama with second round pick; Acquire Stedman Bailey, Wide Receiver, West Virginia with second round pick via IND trade; Acquire Free Agent Wide Receiver Mike Wallace from PIT Steelers]

13. TB Buccaneers: Xavier Rhodes, Cornerback, FSU [Additional Move(s): Acquire D.J. Fluker, Offensive Right Tackle, Alabama with second round pick]

14. CAR Panthers: Datone Jones, Defensive Tackle, University of California Los Angeles (UCLA) [Additional Move(s): Acquire Dallas Thomas, Offensive Tackle & Guard Prospect, Tennessee with second round pick]

15. NO Saints: Sharrif Floyd, Defensive Nose Tackle, Florida [Additional Move(s): Acquire B.W. Webb, Cornerback, Williams & Mary with third round pick]

16. STL Rams: Jonathan Cooper, Left Guard/Center, University of North Carolina (UNC) [Additional Move(s): Acquire D.J. Swearinger, Free Safety, South Carolina with second round pick]

17. PIT Steelers: Kawaan Short, Defensive Tackle, Purdue [Additional Move(s): Retain Free Agent Cornerback Keenan Lewis; Acquire Eric Reid, Free Safety, LSU with second round pick]

18. DAL Cowboys: Kenneth Vaccaro, Free Safety, Texas [Additional Move(s): Acquire Malliciah Goodman, Defensive Under Tackle & Defensive End Prospect, Clemson with second round draft pick]

19. NY Giants: Bjoern Werner, Defensive End, Florida State (FSU) [Additional Move(s): Acquire Matt Barley, Quarterback, USC with second round draft pick; Acquire Free Agent Linebacker Daryl Smith from Jacksonville Jaguars]

20. CHI Bears: Tyler Eifert, Tight End, Notre Dame [Additional Move(s): Acquire Kevin Minter, Middle Linebacker, LSU with second round pick]

21. CIN Bengals: Manti Te'O, Middle Linebacker, Notre Dame [Additional Move(s): Acquire Markus Wheaton, Wide Receiver, Oregon State with second round pick via OAK trade; Acquire Shamarko Thomas, Strong Safety, Syracuse with second round pick]

22. STL Rams: Sheldon Richardson, Defensive Under Tackle, Missouri

WAS Redskins Second Round [Originally Owned Pick #22]: Jamar Taylor, Cornerback, Boise State

23. MIN Vikings: Tavon Wilson, Wide Receiver, West Virginia (WSU) [Additional Move(s): Acquire Desmond Trufant, Cornerback, Washington with second round pick]

24. IND Colts: Jonathan Hankins, Defensive Nose Tackle, Ohio State [Additional Move(s): Acquire Free Agent Safety Kenny Phillips from New York Giants]
25. SEA Seahawks: Keenan Allen, Wide Receiver, California (CAL) [Additional Move(s): Acquire Cornellius Carradine, Defensive End, Florida State with second round pick]

26. GB Packers: Barrett Jones, Offensive Center, Guard, & Right Tackle Prospect, Alabama [Additional Move(s): Retain Free Agent Wide Receiver Greg Jennings; Acquire Dwayne Grantz, Cornerback, UConn with second round pick]

27. HOU Texans: Tyler Wilson, Quarterback, Arkansas [Additional Move(s): Acquire Jesse Williams, Defensive Nose Tackle, Alabama with second round pick]

28. DEN Broncos: Sylvester Williams, Under Tackle, UNC [Additional Move(s): Acquire Travis Frederick, Offensive Center & Guard Prospect, Wisconsin with second round pick]

29. NE Patriots: Darius Slay, Cornerback, Mississippi State [Additional Move(s): Acquire Larry Warford, Right Guard, Kentucky with second round pick via ARI trade; Acquire DeAndre Hopkins, Wide Receiver, Clemson with second round pick]

30. ATL Falcons: Damontrae Moore, Defensive End/Outside Linebacker, Texas A&M [Additional Move(s): Acquire Logan Ryan, Cornerback, Texas with second round pick]

31. SF 49ers: Matthew Elam, Strong Safety, Florida [Additional Move(s): Acquire Travis Kelce, Tight End, Cincinnati with second round pick; Acquire second round pick via trade with Kansas City Chiefs for Quarterback Alex Smith; Acquire Jonathan Jenkins, Defensive Nose Tackle, Georgia with second round pick from trade via Kansas City Chiefs]

32. BAL Ravens: Phillip Thomas, Free Safety, Fresno State [Additional Move(s): Acquire Jonathan Cyprien, Safety, Florida International with second round pick]

Made easier to read.

First Round

1. Kansas City: Luke Joekel
2. Jacksonville: Chance Warmack
3. Oakland: Dee Millner
4. Philadelphia: Lane Johnson
5. Buffalo: Geno Smith
6. Cleveland: Dion Jordan
7. Arizona: Eric Fisher
8. Detroit: Ezekiel Ansah
9. New York: Cordarrelle Patterson
10. Tennessee: Star Lotuelei
11. San Diego: Barkevious Mingo
12. Miami: Justin Hunter
13. Tampa Bay: Xavier Rhodes
14. Carolina: Datone Jones
15. New Orleans: Sharrif Floyd
16. St. Louis: Jonathan Cooper
17. Pittsburgh: Kawaan Short
18. Dallas: Kenny Vaccaro
19. New York: Bjoern Werener
20. Chicago: Tyler Eifert
21. Cincinnati: Manti Te'o
22. St. Louis: Sheldon Richardson
23. Minnesota: Tavon Austin
24. Indianapolis: Jonathan Hankins
25. Seattle: Keenan Allen
26. Green Bay: Barrett Jones
27. Houston: Tyler Wilson
28. Denver: Sylvester Williams
29. New England: Darius Slay
30. Atlanta: Damontrae Moore
31. San Francisco: Matt Elam
32. Baltimore: Phillip Thomas

Second Round

33. Jacksonville: Jarvis Jones
34. San Francisco: John Jenkins
35. Philadelphia: Jonathan Banks
36. Detroit: Tony Jefferson
37. Cincinnati: Markus Wheaton
38. New England: Larry Warford
39. Brown: Josh Gordon (2012 Supplemental Draft)
40. New York (Jets): Mike Glennon
41. Tennessee: Kyle Long
42. Buffalo: Alec Ogletree
43. Miami: Eddy Lacy
44. Tampa Bay: D.J. Fluker
45. Carolina: Dallas Thomas
46. New Orleans: Forfeited
47. San Diego: Blidi-Wreh Wilson
48. St. Louis: D.J. Swearinger
49. Dallas: Malliciah Goodman
50. Pittsburgh: Eric Reid
51. New York (Giants): Matt Barkley
52. Chicago: Kevin Minter
53. Washington: Jamar Taylor
54. Minnesota: Desmond Trufant
55. Cincinnati: Shamarko Thomas
56. Miami: Stedman Bailey
57. Green Bay: Dwayne Grantz
58: Seattle: Cornellius Carradine
59. Houston: Jesse Williams
60. Denver: Travis Frederick
61. New England: DeAndre Hopkins
62. Atlanta: Logan Ryan
63. San Francisco: Travis Klece
64. Baltimore: Jonathan Cyprien


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 01, 2013 4:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Notable off-season modifications to my mock:

-The two first rounders I've had going to the Patriots in my first two mock draft attempts, (i.e. DeAndre Hopkins and Larry Warford), are still mocked to New England in the latest one, however Larry Warford is acquired in the early second round thanks to a trade with the Arizona Cardinals. With the twenty-eighth overall pick the Pats make a somewhat surprising selection with Darius Slay out of Mississippi State to start across from Devin McCourty, who I have as a team captain again.

-Arizona Cardinals acquire Ryan Mallett in exchange for their 2013 2nd round pick. ARI also drafts backup-to-be Tyler Bray in 3rd round. Bruce Arians has two big-armed, gun-slinger types at QB that could really benefit from his coaching. ARI is thinking down the road of making Bray the full time starter as Mallett is only a more temporary starter and can be redealt contingent upon his performance as the starter in 2013. I also have ARI drafting their franchise let tackle with the seventh overall pick. Jason Litch connection.

-No Matt Cassel signing; Ryan Griffin, QB, Tulane is instead drafted in the 6th round by New England to be the backup.

-Pats draft J.J. Wilcox, FS, Georgia Southern in 3rd round instead of T.J. McDonald, SS, USC in 4th round

-Jets draft Mike Glennon with Matt Barkley on the board.

-Giants draft Matt Barkley with second round pick, sticking to their BPA philosophy and drafting a backup to Eli Manning who is into his thirties. Potential heir apparent?

-Miami Dolphins sign Mike Wallace to contract and drop Davone Bess.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 01, 2013 6:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Darius Slay has no business going in top 2 rounds IMO.

Also, Sharrif Floyd is looking like a top 3 pick and might go #1 if the Chiefs re-sign Albert. I'm not sure why you dislike him so much?
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 01, 2013 6:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I adjusted my mock a bit to put Floyd higher because while I do see him falling outside of the top 10, which may surprise some people, I too was beginning to have a hard time justifying Floyd falling well past the second half of the first round. Now, I've got him moderately placed at 15 to the Saints where Rob Ryan and Co. I can only imagine would be first bumping and dapping with excitement.

I don't dislike Sharrif Floyd as a prospect I just think he'll slide. If he goes to Kansas City and they're running a 4-3, then that would be almost as bad as selecting Tyson Jackson third overall a few years ago IMO. Floyd fits best in a 3-4 IMO, specially as 3-4 DE.

As for Darius Slay, every time I watch him, over and over again I see a superior corner to the guy he's playing across from. Especially in New England's current scheme, I just think Slay offers the best skill set. He is a guy who appears to know his responsibility on every snap, is rarely flat out beaten, possesses pretty good playmaking ability, is potentially one of the best special teams players in this years draft class from a coverage standpoint, he doesn't let backs get the edge on him keeping contain from the corner position and forcing runners to either cut back inside or take a few extra steps which allows his teammates to get to the ball and help make the play for Darius Slay. I also think Slay generally takes good angles to the ballcarrier tackling smart. Sound like anyone to you? Devin McCourty ala 2010 perhaps? I'd take essentially two Devin McCourty's at corner next season if we've got Ed Reed in the secondary too. By the time Alfonzo Dennard gets back the Pats corner depth should be mediocre at least barring injuries to the two starters, Kyle Arrington and Ras-I Dowling.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 01, 2013 8:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BP wrote:
to the two starters, Kyle Arrington and Ras-I Dowling.


This might be the scariest sentence I've ever read on this board Laughing Laughing
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 01, 2013 8:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mcmurtry86 wrote:
BP wrote:
to the two starters, Kyle Arrington and Ras-I Dowling.


This might be the scariest sentence I've ever read on this board Laughing Laughing


Yeah those two names and the word starter just hurts to read....gross
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 01, 2013 11:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You think Devin McCourty has proven he isn't the answer at corner?

RCB - Alfonzo Dennard/Darius Slay/Ras-I Dowling/Arrington
NB - Kyle Arrington/Slay/Dowling
FS - Ed Reed/JJ Wilcox/McCourty
SS - Tavon Wilson/Steve Gregory/Malcolm Williams
LCB - Devin McCourty/Dennard/Slay

Doesn't look nearly as bad on paper as it may seem. I think if McCourty can get off on the right foot and Dennard lucks out and doesn't miss any valuable practice/playing time, then that secondary should be safe.

For the record I'd be pleasantly surprised if Darius Slay were actually drafted 28th overall, came in and won the starting job from day one. I think what would realistically happen, assuming Slay is in fact drafted by the Pats, is that Arrington would be re-signed, start opposite from McCourty and rotate with Ras-I Dowling. We'd probably see Darius Slay mostly in spot play early on and making an impact on special teams as a gunner with Matthew Slater. Ideally, by mid season, Slay should be developing into a more important role player. By the end of the regular season it shouldn't come as too much of a surprise, again barring injuries, if Slay is seemingly improving week-to-week and making a few impact plays between nickle and cornerback. Looking even further ahead going into the following regular season, bets should be placed on Darius Slay contributing significantly more as a nickle and cornerback as compared to his rookie season.
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BP wrote:
You think Devin McCourty has proven he isn't the answer at corner?

RCB - Alfonzo Dennard/Darius Slay/Ras-I Dowling/Arrington
NB - Kyle Arrington/Slay/Dowling
FS - Ed Reed/JJ Wilcox/McCourty
SS - Tavon Wilson/Steve Gregory/Malcolm Williams
LCB - Devin McCourty/Dennard/Slay

Doesn't look nearly as bad on paper as it may seem. I think if McCourty can get off on the right foot and Dennard lucks out and doesn't miss any valuable practice/playing time, then that secondary should be safe.

For the record I'd be pleasantly surprised if Darius Slay were actually drafted 28th overall, came in and won the starting job from day one. I think what would realistically happen, assuming Slay is in fact drafted by the Pats, is that Arrington would be re-signed, start opposite from McCourty and rotate with Ras-I Dowling. We'd probably see Darius Slay mostly in spot play early on and making an impact on special teams as a gunner with Matthew Slater. Ideally, by mid season, Slay should be developing into a more important role player. By the end of the regular season it shouldn't come as too much of a surprise, again barring injuries, if Slay is seemingly improving week-to-week and making a few impact plays between nickle and cornerback. Looking even further ahead going into the following regular season, bets should be placed on Darius Slay contributing significantly more as a nickle and cornerback as compared to his rookie season.


Wilson/Reed is a pretty bad safety combo on paper. Maybe Wilson improves, but he looked bad last year and Reed is declining rapidly.

I still think there are a number of CB's who would be better than Slay in the 1st. I would be surprised at this point if he went in the top 2 rounds given the quality depth at the position.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 02, 2013 12:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wilson didn't look AWFUL last year. He looked bad in one game in the sixth week of his career where he was asked to do something he wasn't used to doing. As a complement to McCourty, I think he could work really well. He improved a good deal as the season came to a close.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 02, 2013 12:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Okay touche on that; on paper you're right, that safety starters aren't all that impressive. However, I'm pretty convinced Ed Reed's got one more in him. I agree with rabbisson that Tavon Wilson didn't look that awful at all last year. I thought he showed flashes early on in the season but was relegated to a special teams role towards the end of the year.

As far as Darius Slay goes, all I have to say is that I literally would not be that surprised if Bill Belichick took him round 1 even though he'd probably still be available midway through the second somewhere. Maybe you factor in other teams potentially going after Slay before we get the chance to with that second round pick from the Mallett trade? Bill Belichick has made a number of WTF picks to me. Tavon Wilson (2nd), Kevin O'Connell(3rd), Matt Slater(5th), Nate Ebner (6th), Taylor Price (3rd), Sebastian Vollmer (2nd), Logan Mankins (1st), Brandon Meriweather (1st -- not as much but I hated the pick before it even happened, I felt BB got desperate to draft safety early rather than trade out or up before Michael Griffin was taken), Daniel Graham (1st -- again not as much as some of the others but was still surprising to see Graham this early as a first round pick), and even Ty Warren at 13th overall to some degree came as a bit of a shock even though it was actually more justifiable when took into deeper consideration similar to the Stevan Ridley (3rd) pick from a couple drafts ago. I'm sure there are others I'm forgetting but these ones really stood out to me as WTF picks because of the perceived value those prospects held prior to the draft.
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rabbisson wrote:
Wilson didn't look AWFUL last year. He looked bad in one game in the sixth week of his career where he was asked to do something he wasn't used to doing. As a complement to McCourty, I think he could work really well. He improved a good deal as the season came to a close.


As the season came to a close, his playing time was pretty much nothing. Here are his snaps for the last 8 games (Thanksgiving through the AFCCG):

8/72
2/63
17/70
4/67
30/80
18/59
16/78
9/72


Total: 104/561

The only game where he saw somewhat significant time was Christmas Eve when McCourty moved back to CB and Wilson moved from the #4 to #3 S on the depth chart (by comparison, Chung logged 61/80 snaps).

When he was on the field, he looked totally lost in coverage and his run defense wasn't what I would call inspiring. It was OK, but not good enough to make up for his deficiencies in pass defense.

He might improve, but based on what we saw last year, Tavon Wilson is not a starting caliber safety. He's may be a #3 safety (and even then, I'd prefer someone better given how extensively that role is used at times in New England)
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I say give the guy another chance at safety in 2013 before looking into alternative uses like nickle safety and fourth string backup. Laughing
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