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PostPosted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rearviewmirror wrote:
Your assuming Reid will use "his" vertical attack. I'll bet we run a pretty traditional WCO. Moves the chains consistently.

Your assuming he isn't as stubborn in his ways as a mule and is willing to change.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 7:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chiefer wrote:
Rearviewmirror wrote:
Your assuming Reid will use "his" vertical attack. I'll bet we run a pretty traditional WCO. Moves the chains consistently.

Your assuming he isn't as stubborn in his ways as a mule and is willing to change.


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Trent Green had never had a 4000 yard season when he came to KC.


Correct, sir. To play devil's advocate, though, here are his first 3 seasons (before he came to the Chiefs:

1997 (Rookie season): WAS, didn't play.
1998: 14 GS for WAS, 278/509, 54.6%, 3441 yds, 23 TDs, 11 INTs, 6.7 YPA, 49 Sacks, 81.8 QBR
1999: 5 GS for STL, 145/240, 60.4%, 2063 yds, 16 TDs, 5 INTs, 8.6 YPA, 24 Sacks, 101.8 QBR

In his second season starting, he was on pace for well over 4,000 yards that season with 3.33 TDs per start. That was the year Kurt Warner took over and brought the Greatest Show on Turf to the Super Bowl. Better supporting cast? Sure. His first two seasons were both better than Alex's, though. I know, I know, extenuating circumstances and everything. I get that. The bottom line is that Alex Smith has started a full season twice during his career. Two out of eight seasons. His last four seasons have either been very close to or above 60% completion %, which is definitely an upgrade over Cassel.

My point is that Alex's history as a player has proven he can't stay healthy, but when healthy, is a solid starter. And he'll be 29 when the season starts.

In short, we NEED another starting quality QB. BEFORE this year, he's missed 30 games. 30 games out of 112 possible starts. That's 26.78% of the games he was expected to start that he couldn't due to injury. Yes, that's averaging more than 4 games every year. To say the least, that's concerning. His sacks and fumbles aren't much of an issue in my eyes. It's that he's 29 years old, we gave up what was essentially a late 1st rounder and he's missed more than a quarter of his games due to injury.

We still need Geno. BADLY.
Just one thing really quick. Smith hasn't been too injury prone. Besides the concussion last season, he has only had one significant injury, the issue is that it was horribly mismanaged. He had a shoulder injury (I believe in 2008, but I could be wrong on that) and told the team/coach (Mike Nolan) that it was painful enough to affect how he could throw the football significantly. Nolan then dragged him through the mud in the media, basically calling him soft. Alex showed a lot of toughness playing through an injury for several weeks which later required surgery, but his play suffered. The whole next season was lost because of the recovery from the aforementioned surgery.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 8:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So he's never healthy is what you're telling us. Laughing
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 9:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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So he's never healthy is what you're telling us. Laughing


lol, pretty much. If it weren't for him getting injured again this season, he probably wouldn't have lost his job and as a result, probably wouldn't be a Chief.

Soooooooo...we have a new QB because he's injury prone? Think

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 07, 2013 12:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

SFaithful97 wrote:
ryknowssd wrote:
Rearviewmirror wrote:
Trent Green had never had a 4000 yard season when he came to KC.


Correct, sir. To play devil's advocate, though, here are his first 3 seasons (before he came to the Chiefs:

1997 (Rookie season): WAS, didn't play.
1998: 14 GS for WAS, 278/509, 54.6%, 3441 yds, 23 TDs, 11 INTs, 6.7 YPA, 49 Sacks, 81.8 QBR
1999: 5 GS for STL, 145/240, 60.4%, 2063 yds, 16 TDs, 5 INTs, 8.6 YPA, 24 Sacks, 101.8 QBR

In his second season starting, he was on pace for well over 4,000 yards that season with 3.33 TDs per start. That was the year Kurt Warner took over and brought the Greatest Show on Turf to the Super Bowl. Better supporting cast? Sure. His first two seasons were both better than Alex's, though. I know, I know, extenuating circumstances and everything. I get that. The bottom line is that Alex Smith has started a full season twice during his career. Two out of eight seasons. His last four seasons have either been very close to or above 60% completion %, which is definitely an upgrade over Cassel.

My point is that Alex's history as a player has proven he can't stay healthy, but when healthy, is a solid starter. And he'll be 29 when the season starts.

In short, we NEED another starting quality QB. BEFORE this year, he's missed 30 games. 30 games out of 112 possible starts. That's 26.78% of the games he was expected to start that he couldn't due to injury. Yes, that's averaging more than 4 games every year. To say the least, that's concerning. His sacks and fumbles aren't much of an issue in my eyes. It's that he's 29 years old, we gave up what was essentially a late 1st rounder and he's missed more than a quarter of his games due to injury.

We still need Geno. BADLY.
Just one thing really quick. Smith hasn't been too injury prone. Besides the concussion last season, he has only had one significant injury, the issue is that it was horribly mismanaged. He had a shoulder injury (I believe in 2008, but I could be wrong on that) and told the team/coach (Mike Nolan) that it was painful enough to affect how he could throw the football significantly. Nolan then dragged him through the mud in the media, basically calling him soft. Alex showed a lot of toughness playing through an injury for several weeks which later required surgery, but his play suffered. The whole next season was lost because of the recovery from the aforementioned surgery.


I'm pretty sure Smith got injured in 05, 07 (the aforementioned shoulder injury), 08 (the year he missed because of it), and again in 10 (that allowed Troy Smith to start). Then the concussion in 12.
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I'm pretty sure Smith got injured in 05, 07 (the aforementioned shoulder injury), 08 (the year he missed because of it), and again in 10 (that allowed Troy Smith to start). Then the concussion in 12.


Had an ankle injury in 05, but didn't miss much time from it. It was a minor thing... as were the latter injuries in 2010 and 2012. The 2007 shoulder separation was brutal. The wire left in his shoulder in 2008 that re-injured the shoulder was unacceptable and bizarre. He recovered well from that.

He did take every snap in 2006 and then stayed healthy in 2011.

I wouldn't go expecting Alex to miss more time than any other reasonably durable QB... he'll be fine.
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I'm pretty sure Smith got injured in 05, 07 (the aforementioned shoulder injury), 08 (the year he missed because of it), and again in 10 (that allowed Troy Smith to start). Then the concussion in 12.


Had an ankle injury in 05, but didn't miss much time from it. It was a minor thing... as were the latter injuries in 2010 and 2012. The 2007 shoulder separation was brutal. The wire left in his shoulder in 2008 that re-injured the shoulder was unacceptable and bizarre. He recovered well from that.

He did take every snap in 2006 and then stayed healthy in 2011.

I wouldn't go expecting Alex to miss more time than any other reasonably durable QB... he'll be fine.


He's gotten hit A LOT too and held up just fine. Everyone's gonna get a concussion every now and then from helmet to helmet, but the only other injury that I can remember sidelining him was the shoulder. It was a very significant injury and cost him a lot of time.... mainly because it was mismanaged and the doctor screwed up in surgery. But he's a tough QB that won't miss time for stupid stuff.
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Chiefer wrote:
Rearviewmirror wrote:
Your assuming Reid will use "his" vertical attack. I'll bet we run a pretty traditional WCO. Moves the chains consistently.

Your assuming he isn't as stubborn in his ways as a mule and is willing to change.


he only did the vertical stuff to fit the team to his players needs

vick isnt that accurate has a rocket arm and desean jackson is a small WR and really only a vertical threat

the WCO is really built around short and intermediate passes and getting YAC

reid builds his offense to the players strengths and he will go back to the original WCO
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Chiefer wrote:
Rearviewmirror wrote:
Your assuming Reid will use "his" vertical attack. I'll bet we run a pretty traditional WCO. Moves the chains consistently.

Your assuming he isn't as stubborn in his ways as a mule and is willing to change.


he only did the vertical stuff to fit the team to his players needs

vick isnt that accurate has a rocket arm and desean jackson is a small WR and really only a vertical threat

the WCO is really built around short and intermediate passes and getting YAC

reid builds his offense to the players strengths and he will go back to the original WCO


Brian Westbrook and Shady McCoy just died of laughter.
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91jmay wrote:
Cheifsfan111 wrote:
Chiefer wrote:
Rearviewmirror wrote:
Your assuming Reid will use "his" vertical attack. I'll bet we run a pretty traditional WCO. Moves the chains consistently.

Your assuming he isn't as stubborn in his ways as a mule and is willing to change.


he only did the vertical stuff to fit the team to his players needs

vick isnt that accurate has a rocket arm and desean jackson is a small WR and really only a vertical threat

the WCO is really built around short and intermediate passes and getting YAC

reid builds his offense to the players strengths and he will go back to the original WCO


Brian Westbrook and Shady McCoy just died of laughter.


Last year Jamaal Charles averaged 17 touches per game.

Shady McCoy averaged 16.6 touches per game.

Andy Reid will fit right in.
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what was dorsey thinking how did we get fleeced?
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Mikek163 wrote:
91jmay wrote:
Cheifsfan111 wrote:
Chiefer wrote:
Rearviewmirror wrote:
Your assuming Reid will use "his" vertical attack. I'll bet we run a pretty traditional WCO. Moves the chains consistently.

Your assuming he isn't as stubborn in his ways as a mule and is willing to change.


he only did the vertical stuff to fit the team to his players needs

vick isnt that accurate has a rocket arm and desean jackson is a small WR and really only a vertical threat

the WCO is really built around short and intermediate passes and getting YAC

reid builds his offense to the players strengths and he will go back to the original WCO


Brian Westbrook and Shady McCoy just died of laughter.


Last year Jamaal Charles averaged 17 touches per game.

Shady McCoy averaged 16.6 touches per game.

Andy Reid will fit right in.


Don't know where you got your numbers, but McCoy actually got more.
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Didnt know if anyone posted this or not but on twitter Jason Cole posted that the Chiefs might ask Alex Smith to restructure his contract. It was retweeted by Bill Williamson. Said no pay cut just a shift in the money to free up cap space. Dont know how to post quotes from twitter.
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Does anyone know the actual trade terms yet? NFL.com took a shot at us in the big winners from day one. Basically said that 9ers were big winners from the get go, for turning a broken down QB into a second round pick plus more.
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