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mcmurtry86
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| Naq wrote: | | even after resigning most of our key guys we should still have a lot of Cap space left. |
If by "key guys" you're including all 3 of Talib, Welker and Vollmer to close-to-market deals, they won't have much cap space at all after re-signing some of the other guys (some combination of White, Koutouvides, Arrington, Woodhead, Edelman, Thomas) |
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| Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2013 7:27 pm Post subject: |
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| mcmurtry86 wrote: | | Naq wrote: | | even after resigning most of our key guys we should still have a lot of Cap space left. |
If by "key guys" you're including all 3 of Talib, Welker and Vollmer to close-to-market deals, they won't have much cap space at all after re-signing some of the other guys (some combination of White, Koutouvides, Arrington, Woodhead, Edelman, Thomas) |
If they kept all 3 "key guys" and re-upped thomas and arrington i wouldn't be mad. Along with draft picks I would say we improved on a top 5 all around squad from last season.
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| Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2013 8:30 pm Post subject: |
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| Donut wrote: | | Sciz wrote: | | samgurl775 wrote: | | Wut. Any chance we resign him for less? I really don't want to see him go. |
If he's being detrimental to the locker room, the only real solution is to get him out of the locker room. |
From the descriptions it can't be that bad. Though I do remember in Denver he said it was a stupid decision to fire McDaniels and that he wanted out when tebow got the start. |
Yeah, I have a really hard time believing his behavior was so toxic that they're going to just release him.
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mcmurtry86
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| Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2013 8:35 pm Post subject: |
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| TomRalph wrote: | Surely Josh McDaniels would have mentioned this to someone in the Pats FO before we signed him??
A bit gutted if he goes, but now more reason to pursue Brian Hartline  |
Lloyd had supposed locker room/character concerns of this nature before though. I think the hope was that his affection for McDaniels would help keep him happy and in line.
There's no way Belichick wouldn't know about Lloyd's personality issues.
I do agree about Hartline though, he'd be a great addition though I don't know if he's necessarily better than Lloyd was last year. |
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I'd rather not see him go, but he's easily replaceable. Not much of a factor throughout the season.
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| Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2013 9:14 pm Post subject: |
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| samgurl775 wrote: | | Donut wrote: | | Sciz wrote: | | samgurl775 wrote: | | Wut. Any chance we resign him for less? I really don't want to see him go. |
If he's being detrimental to the locker room, the only real solution is to get him out of the locker room. |
From the descriptions it can't be that bad. Though I do remember in Denver he said it was a stupid decision to fire McDaniels and that he wanted out when tebow got the start. |
Yeah, I have a really hard time believing his behavior was so toxic that they're going to just release him. |
It's probably a simple sums thing. 900 unspectacular yards + difficult personality =/= 5 million dollars well spent.
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mcmurtry86
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| ChazStandard wrote: | | samgurl775 wrote: | | Donut wrote: | | Sciz wrote: | | samgurl775 wrote: | | Wut. Any chance we resign him for less? I really don't want to see him go. |
If he's being detrimental to the locker room, the only real solution is to get him out of the locker room. |
From the descriptions it can't be that bad. Though I do remember in Denver he said it was a stupid decision to fire McDaniels and that he wanted out when tebow got the start. |
Yeah, I have a really hard time believing his behavior was so toxic that they're going to just release him. |
It's probably a simple sums thing. 900 unspectacular yards + difficult personality =/= 5 million dollars well spent. |
Seems like the best explanation. If he were a happy camper and a great teammate, he probably would have more of a chance of sticking. |
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it makes sense that this is only starting to come out now, right after reports that a 3 year deal with Welker is making a lot of headway following the Brady restructure. It's likely that, since Lloyd is the only viable WR under contract, his status greatly depended on whether or not the Patriot thought they could retain Welker before FA starts.
So if they re-sign Welker (which seems inevitable at this point in time), we are in the same boat entering FA. Only 2 WR's under contract with one being a STer and another leaving via FA. The position HAS to be revamped at this point, but we still have Talib and Vollmer to resign, and if we can't get Talib and Alfonzo (unlikely but possible) gets some jail time, we are suddenly left cornerless with Arrington also hitting FA.
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| Deadpulse wrote: | it makes sense that this is only starting to come out now, right after reports that a 3 year deal with Welker is making a lot of headway following the Brady restructure. It's likely that, since Lloyd is the only viable WR under contract, his status greatly depended on whether or not the Patriot thought they could retain Welker before FA starts.
So if they re-sign Welker (which seems inevitable at this point in time), we are in the same boat entering FA. Only 2 WR's under contract with one being a STer and another leaving via FA. The position HAS to be revamped at this point, but we still have Talib and Vollmer to resign, and if we can't get Talib and Alfonzo (unlikely but possible) gets some jail time, we are suddenly left cornerless with Arrington also hitting FA. |
There was speculation (IIRC from the same source, Bedard) weeks ago about Lloyd possibly being released. |
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| mcmurtry86 wrote: | | There was speculation (IIRC from the same source, Bedard) weeks ago about Lloyd possibly being released. |
Bedard framed it as "this is what I would do" at the time, but I wonder if he had some info already then. |
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| Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2013 9:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Sciz wrote: | | mcmurtry86 wrote: | | There was speculation (IIRC from the same source, Bedard) weeks ago about Lloyd possibly being released. |
Bedard framed it as "this is what I would do" at the time, but I wonder if he had some info already then. |
Yeah, Bedard acts like a belligerent oaf sometimes, but his handle on the pulse of the team seems decent.
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| mcmurtry86 wrote: | | Deadpulse wrote: | it makes sense that this is only starting to come out now, right after reports that a 3 year deal with Welker is making a lot of headway following the Brady restructure. It's likely that, since Lloyd is the only viable WR under contract, his status greatly depended on whether or not the Patriot thought they could retain Welker before FA starts.
So if they re-sign Welker (which seems inevitable at this point in time), we are in the same boat entering FA. Only 2 WR's under contract with one being a STer and another leaving via FA. The position HAS to be revamped at this point, but we still have Talib and Vollmer to resign, and if we can't get Talib and Alfonzo (unlikely but possible) gets some jail time, we are suddenly left cornerless with Arrington also hitting FA. |
There was speculation (IIRC from the same source, Bedard) weeks ago about Lloyd possibly being released. |
I remember this too, but it seemed like more of one of those stringing some bits of info together kind of reports. I wouldn't be surprised if he was spot on though, and the plan was to retain Welker and release Lloyd.
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| Billy Spikes wrote: | | The Patriots will have $1 million cap hit in 2013 and 2014 if Lloyd is released after June 1st. |
Ive read that 2 mil total in dead money would occur if released now. His 3 mil option bonus is due at the end of March and releasing him before then would save 4.9 mil in cap space.
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| Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 6:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Deadpulse wrote: | | Billy Spikes wrote: | | The Patriots will have $1 million cap hit in 2013 and 2014 if Lloyd is released after June 1st. |
Ive read that 2 mil total in dead money would occur if released now. His 3 mil option bonus is due at the end of March and releasing him before then would save 4.9 mil in cap space. |
Yeah, I thought the financial aspect of cutting him was to avoid the March bonus. |
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