It's a trap!

Tha Franchise · Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2013 9:53 am Post subject: It's a trap!

Ryan Kerrigan ran 4.64 at 265 lbs, and rep'd 31 on the bench. That and he had 26 tfl and 12.5 sacks against big 10 OL talent.

At nearly 300 pounds, JJ Watt had 4.84 speed, crazy good performance in the drills. He was a very intense player, high motor, and interviewed great. He showed the ability to make interceptions, sack the QB, force fumbles, and made 60 tackles in his 2nd full year playing DE. He was a te before that. Even then he had 7 sacks in 2010 at Wisconsin.

Von Miller ran out the gym at 4.53 while weighting 246 pounds at 6'2". The is a much more solid frame than many of the workout successes this year.

Dion Jordan 6'7" and 240. He ran a 4.6 forty which is quite a bit slower than miller while being far more slight of from. Not to mention having 14 sacks over his last 3 years in comparison to Millers 31.

Ryan Kerrigan was much quicker, faster, stronger and was as if not more productive through his college career than Woerner. Much faster!

Von Miller simply ate up the likes of Mingo and Jordan. Bigger and faster than both. More production in college than both put together. High motor leader vs workout guys who took plays off.

Ansah had very little tape, and less production. Check his measures less vs say Richard Quinn. Size and Speed are comparable, but productivity was not even close. Aldon Smith was a comparable body type and athlete to Ansah and he also had much more tape and production.

He'll at 295 pounds JJ Watt out produced all but Woerner who isn't the specimen Watt is.

This DE draft close is full of hybrids that didn't produce much in college,are too tall for their weight, have questionable motors and tape. How did so many appear atop mock draft boards?

Check Cliff Avrils size and speed at his combine. Check his stats. He had better numbers both at the combine and in the stats column than many of these.

Skip DE. Look elsewhere this year

Karnage_84 · Joined: 06 Feb 2007 Posts: 676 Location: Ottawa

Jrugges · Joined: 26 Mar 2007 Posts: 8235

I have to agree with you Franchise(nice to see you btw). The DE class has alot to be desired. Alot of these guys are just hybrid type players who could grow out and be legit DE's but also might be what they are now.

I'd perfer to go O-line early, and draft developmental DE' like Devin Taylor, Gholston, or someone else along those lines. I don't wanna draft a project DE at 5 or in the 2nd round.

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Irish Ninja · Joined: 04 Mar 2010 Posts: 41 Location: Royal Oak

I hate the top tier DE's in this draft. That being said i do like some round 2 and on guys like Datone or Lemonier

Rockcity · Joined: 06 Jan 2013 Posts: 326

what doesnt look like a trap out of this draft? who would you take? its all about potential this year imo. iterviews and workouts go a long way for this years draft. i dont think there are any safe picks.. but am curious now with your thinking/comparing who you would take..

TL-TwoWinsAway · Joined: 19 Feb 2008 Posts: 24074

You always make a complete argument, and I enjoy your threads as a result.

That being said, I think it's too easy (and flawed) to imply that "player a did this in college and measured in this way, so he'll be like player b". It just... it's not that easy.
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detfan782004 · Joined: 01 Apr 2005 Posts: 39119 Location: Montana

Problem is with all the DE being underwhelming some team is going to reach on one
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cibowilson · Joined: 12 Nov 2008 Posts: 1846

At this moment, Werner still tops my list.

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diehardlionfan · Joined: 12 Mar 2007 Posts: 21504 Location: Ottawa

Nice to see you here Fran.

I agree 100%.

In addition the first round is not the place to gamble.
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nixa · Joined: 08 Feb 2013 Posts: 96

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if Cornelius Washington ends up the best DE out of this draft class. Only problem is his combine means he's probably gone before the 3rd, but he's probably a reach at 36.
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Tha Franchise · Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2013 11:34 pm Post subject:

Thanks all!

1 Eric Fisher
2 Matt Elam
3 Sio Moore

Fisher solidifies LT with a true pass blocker. I will compare to Ryan Clady. I feel fine with Reiff at RT. One safe pick entrenches LT and RT. with only Dom (old) and Sims (nearing contract) really in place and Reiff possibly in over his head at LT, I would say this makes sense. We already have the farm into Calvin and Stafford, we should give them some time to connect, and block well enough to balance the offense.

We draft Ansah or another DE, and odds are against that player being better than Avril. Not many 4/3 DEs have double digit sack production. We have one. Signing a guy like Chrilus or Levitre for 5-6 million, sticking Reiff at LT, and taking a high risk DE is not wise.

Elam and Moore are athletic, productive, and both really big play guys. Day one starters.

We get a 3rd down back like Barner maybe round 5.

Free agents

Michael Johnson or Avril - 4 years 40 million
LoJack 2 years 3.5 million
Sammie Lee Hill 2 years 4 million

DeAndre Levy 3 years 8.5 million

Quentin Jammer 2 years 6.5 million
Chris Houston 4 years 20 million
Charles Woodson 2 years 7 million

Find me a cheap RG and write it up

Detroitlions703 · Joined: 22 Dec 2008 Posts: 9533 Location: Michigan

there is no way we resign sammie for 2 years 4 million. Thats crazy
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Tha Franchise · Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2013 11:47 pm Post subject: