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NextBigThing
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| Tzimisce wrote: | | Wouldn't be doing this if they had more than 5 picks in the draft, I'd imagine. |
Matt Cassel is about to be a FA, as is Hoyer. 
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mcmurtry86
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| NextBigThing wrote: | Mallet and Smith are total opposites. Smith is older with a large contract and unimpressive, if not awful, resume outside of one season which wasn't even that impressive.
Mallet is more unknown, but his talent, age, and contract are all more favorable. |
Alex Smith the last 26 game has been a very good QB. You can debate whether or not that's a product of the system but it proves he can be above average in the NFL with a good coaching scheme.
His "large contract" is only 2 more years at $18.75M. I'd say his 9.75M cap hit next year isn't too bad to see what you have and the dead money if you have to cut him in 2014 is manageable (though anyone trading for him probably gives him 2 years).
I don't think he's a great player, but I do think he's a middle tier starting QB who might be a little better than that with good talent around him.
Mallett has shown nothing and has looked pretty bad in camp. Yes, he has upside, but it's a totally different market. Teams that trade for Smith are teams that think they have decent talent and just need a boost at QB to compete for a wildcard spot. Teams that will be most interested in Mallett are teams that are garbage and are looking at 2013 as a rebuild year.
No rebuilding team should want Smith and no borderline competitive team should want Mallett (unless they already have a mediocre veteran and want a youthful option for 2014). |
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| Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2013 12:01 am Post subject: |
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| TomRalph wrote: | | We wouldn't trade in the division to Buffalo would we? |
We traded them Bledsoe.
| NextBigThing wrote: | | Tzimisce wrote: | | Wouldn't be doing this if they had more than 5 picks in the draft, I'd imagine. |
Matt Cassel is about to be a FA, as is Hoyer. |
Hoyer wont be back he's going to stay in ARZ to compete as a starter.
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| Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2013 12:52 am Post subject: |
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| mcmurtry86 wrote: | | ChazStandard wrote: | I could see Alex Smith destroying Mallet's value tbh. Looks like the most any team is going to send for Smith is a second, and he has a pretty solid pro-football resume when compared to an unknown quantity.
I think if a team gives up a second for Smith, the best the Pats get for Mallet is a 3rd and change. |
Well, teams have historically been willing to give up high picks for fairly unknown quantities. Whether or not flops like Flynn and Kolb have hurt that type of market remains to be seen.
Besides, once Smith is off the market there will be very few options out there. Maybe Matt Moore or a few other similar stop-gap guys but given how bad this class of QB's is, teams will be scrambling for someone with upside. It will be a seller's market for QB's this year IMO. |
Well in that case its now or never to trader Ryan Mallett.
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| Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2013 1:42 am Post subject: |
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Ain't no one giving a second rounder for Ryan Mallett. I don't expect us to trade him but if we do, it'd probably be for a third or a fourth.
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| Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2013 3:57 am Post subject: |
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The fact he's on the block is almost admittance that we wouldn't be getting a very decent return for him.
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If we don't get a pick in the Top 75 for him, which is what we paid for him in a good draft class, I'd be very disappointed. We could have had Justin Houston whom I was clamoring for, instead of drafting a QB with the intention of trading in in the future for value only to end up with egg on our faces.
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| Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2013 6:43 am Post subject: |
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| Tzimisce wrote: | | Wouldn't be doing this if they had more than 5 picks in the draft, I'd imagine. |
I would easily see the scenario where Mallet, playing the good soldier, studies his behind off saying "I would to start in my prime please." The team knows he's motivated to prepare and if Brady goes down he gets a job, if Brady isn't going to retire soon (see extension) he asks off the bus. It's not an unreasonable request if the man thinks he's a starter, and is right.
The team is signaling he is.
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| Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2013 9:42 am Post subject: |
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| Looks like we'll be drafting a QB then. I dig it. |
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| Canadian_Patriot wrote: | | Looks like we'll be drafting a QB then. I dig it. |
I would venture any QB drafted is in day three. If not, they intend on trading him away again.
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NextBigThing
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| Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2013 10:49 am Post subject: |
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| Grachuus wrote: | | Tzimisce wrote: | | Wouldn't be doing this if they had more than 5 picks in the draft, I'd imagine. |
I would easily see the scenario where Mallet, playing the good soldier, studies his behind off saying "I would to start in my prime please." The team knows he's motivated to prepare and if Brady goes down he gets a job, if Brady isn't going to retire soon (see extension) he asks off the bus. It's not an unreasonable request if the man thinks he's a starter, and is right.
The team is signaling he is. |
This must be a big part of it. No way he wants his starter opportunities for the next 5 years to hinge on Tom Brady getting hurt.
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redsoxsrule1437
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| Troy Brown wrote: | | Ain't no one giving a second rounder for Ryan Mallett. I don't expect us to trade him but if we do, it'd probably be for a third or a fourth. |
They won't trade him for anything less than a 2nd. They would just keep if him that were the case.
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NextBigThing
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| Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2013 11:32 am Post subject: |
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| redsoxsrule1437 wrote: | | Troy Brown wrote: | | Ain't no one giving a second rounder for Ryan Mallett. I don't expect us to trade him but if we do, it'd probably be for a third or a fourth. |
They won't trade him for anything less than a 2nd. They would just keep if him that were the case. |
Why? If someone offers a pick in the low 70s or high 60s, they'd be damn fools to turn it down.
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| pretty sure vikings make more sense than the bills considering the pats seem to be much higher on mallett now than they were on bledsoe before trading him back in 2002 because of age mostly |
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