Bunkley vs. Ngata

RashaanSalaami · Joined: 18 Feb 2006 Posts: 29100 Location: Jersey

What I don't understand is why people thing Ngata is a better DT prospect than Bunkley. The only thing Ngata is good for is being large. I have Bunkley as a top 7 prospect in the entire draft right now. Its time, vote and explain. If you vote other, just explain or let me know who u picked.
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The Gambler · Joined: 15 Jan 2006 Posts: 910 Location: The Jungle

PanthersIn05 · Joined: 28 Mar 2005 Posts: 4729

^^^ great post. Yeah, he's definitely not fat and the original post clearly misinformed. Ngata was dropped back into coverage on certain plays if I'm not mistaken at Oregon, how often do you see that? I think Bunkley is a great prospect, but 7 more reps doesn't mean all that much to me, and it shouldn't vault him over Ngata IMO.

AsianPlayer · Joined: 04 Jan 2006 Posts: 2275 Location: Florida

Haloti Ngata is the better prospect. Like PanthersIn05 said, Ngata has even dropped back into coverage so this guy can move pretty well.

Marvin Gardens · Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2006 1:19 pm Post subject:

Those 7 extra reps aren't in any way indicative of what those players could max out at, it's a pretty specific measurement that tests only who can do that much weight the most. Scouts probably look for the players fall into a certain acceptable range without caring at all about the specific number.

RashaanSalaami · Joined: 18 Feb 2006 Posts: 29100 Location: Jersey

Alright, yea I know he wasn't fat (I'll change it if u guys really want me to) but look at the numbers Ngata put up at Oregon. The difference in tackles for loss is huge in favor of Bunkley (25-9) Just check out their complete stats if u want. Just click on their names to take u to their official school website's stat page. And I've seen the picture on one of you other posts and he does look pretty good. Ngata eats up blockers while Bunkley makes the plays.

http://geocities.com/gbpfan10001/DT.htm
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seminoles1 · Joined: 10 Jan 2005 Posts: 31610

I don't want to get in this huge argument over whi had more tackles for loss, but I think 16 more is a little too much of an edge to ignore because of double teams. I understand Ngata faced them on almost every play, but Bunkley faced double teams almost every play once Kamerion Wimbley went down, and Bunkley still got those numbers. It really depends on the defense IMO. If you are a 3-4, there is no doubt that you should take Ngata. But as a 4-3 DT, i give the edge to Bunkley.

polishsausage · Joined: 27 Feb 2006 Posts: 2148 Location: NYC

What you guys have missed pointing out in this debate is that they are vastly different type of players. Who will go first off the board depends upon what type of defensive tackle the team needs. Bunkley is a much better fit for the Bills b/c they run a 4-3 so if the Bills take a DT I expect them to take Bunkley (The Bills did just sign Tripllett away from the Colts so I'm not so sure the Bills are looking at DT anymore). In any case, if Bunklet does go first that doesn't mean he's a better prospect. For example, one web site has Ngata ranked ahead of Bunkley, but in their mock draft they have Bunkley getting drafted ahead of Ngata. These things happen every year.

In short, Bunkley is more suited to a 4-3 defense whereas Ngata would work well in a two-gap defense.

(edit: sorry seminole1 - for some reason I did not read your post - good job in breaking down the situation)
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Vigilante · Joined: 07 Jan 2005 Posts: 3235

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No need to start off a post by calling people names.

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Alright, for any of you guys saying "Bunkley got more reps than Ngata" or "Bench press reps mean alot in terms of strength", then you guys are not only ignorant, but also unaware in terms of strength and lifting

Benchpressing that many reps DOESNT TEST STRENGTH, it tests muscular endurance. There are five types of strengths and muscular endurance is one of them. Kudla and Ngata very well be the strongest players in the NFL draft this year, but just because they got a lower rep amount than others doesnt mean that that they are weaker, it just means they have a lower rate of mus. endurance

If you want further proof, Coach DeFranco is one of the best S&C coaches for the combine and he has stated this.... he firmly believes that bench press tests are BS and that 3-5 rep maxes should be taken instead

As well, when your taller, its MUCH harder to do explosive movements like bench and squat. Bunkley is 6-2 3/4 while Ngata is 6-4 1/8, Ngata also has longer arms for his size than Bunkley does ... a bit of a difference....

There is no question

Ngata > Bunkley

not even close....
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broncosfan_101 · Joined: 17 Dec 2004 Posts: 13105 Location: Canada

i agree with you guys, ngata is the better prospect...

BUT!

playing in a football game tests your muscular endurance just as much as your strength. it is equally important as your maximum strength, because you have to play a crazy amount of plays every game.
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Halfback007 · Joined: 03 Jan 2005 Posts: 2302 Location: ZA WARUDO

Ngata is a "planet player".

Which is a type of player that has all the atributes, genetics, measurable, and smarts.

For a 350 lb. guy he is extremely ripped. Not only that, he is 6'5 with uncanny athleticism.

Once Ngata flourishes in the NFL, I expect him to be one of the most dominant interior lineman that the league has never seen.

Also the guys Samoan, what else can they do besides be Finely Tuned Athletic Machines.
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