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babyatemydingo


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2013 8:06 pm    Post subject: Re: The 7-Course Franco-Chinese Menu Draft Reply with quote

WhackyPlague wrote:
OLB Dion Jordan
WR DeAndre Hopkins
CB Darius Slay
OT Menelik Watson
DB Tyrann Mathieu
OG Hugh Thornton
WR Aaron Mellette
DT/NT Anthony McCloud


I like Slay and not much else.
McCloud is OK.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2013 8:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jeezla wrote:
Luke Joeckel
DeAndre Hopkins
Robert Alford
Travis Kelce
David Bakhtiari
Jordan Mills
Duke Williams
Braxston Cave


Are you sure you have enough tackles?
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2013 8:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jeezla wrote:
I don't like the blatant absence of Larry Warford. How dare you Dingo!? HOW DARE YOUUUU!?!?!?!?!?!?


If you want some Warford the chef would be happy to make you some special as an hors d'oeuvre.

Still want some?
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2013 8:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Eagles_808 wrote:
Dion Jordan
Matt Elam
Robert Alford
Menelik Watson
Nickell Robey
Cornelius Washington
Duke Williams
Philip Lutzenkirchen


I didn't give my thoughts on Watson before, but I think it is a fair pick.
I'd rather wait for a developmental LT than a guy who may be able to contribute more now, but is restricted to RT.

Robey is OK as a slot guy, but I think the Eagles are better off with Boykin there.

Washington seems like the strongest pick after Elam.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2013 8:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

oland11 wrote:
babyatemydingo wrote:
oland11 wrote:
Jordan
Banks
Rogers
Kelce
Wilson
Mills?
Williams
Cave

Also you don't have Gerald Hodges at all...unless I missed him. Think what's the reasoning behind it?


I am sorry sir, we are all out of 4-3 linebackers today.

Two receivers???
Both gonna bust.

I like Banks and Mills.
Cave, meh. 7th round.

The rest ... sheesh.


I'll have some red wine then.


Got ID, kid?
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2013 8:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nabbs4u wrote:
Dr. Philly wrote:
EaglesFan5-36-81 wrote:
Kiltman wrote:
Waiter I'll have

    Dion Jordan
    Jonathan Banks
    Da'Rick Rodgers
    D.J. Swearinger
    EJ Manuel
    Quinton Dial
    Duke Williams
    Braxton Cave


This


Times 2


Wonder what the odds are that three people actually followed the rules and came up with the same 8 players? Rolling Eyes


They didn't.
This requires too much thinking for some.
That is why you see the same guys rotating in and out of mocks.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2013 8:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

babyatemydingo wrote:
Jeezla wrote:
Luke Joeckel
DeAndre Hopkins
Robert Alford
Travis Kelce
David Bakhtiari
Jordan Mills
Duke Williams
Braxston Cave


Are you sure you have enough tackles?


In hindsight I would swap Bakjtiari with EJ Manuel or Joe Kruger
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2013 8:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Dingobabyatemy, you have to rate all the posts on the first page or you are being racist


Yeah, I missed yours at first.
The holes in my white hood aren't cut big enough and I inadvertently scrolled past it.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2013 8:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jeezla wrote:
babyatemydingo wrote:
Jeezla wrote:
Luke Joeckel
DeAndre Hopkins
Robert Alford
Travis Kelce
David Bakhtiari
Jordan Mills
Duke Williams
Braxston Cave


Are you sure you have enough tackles?


In hindsight I would swap Bakjtiari with EJ Manuel or Joe Kruger


That will cost you a 2014 3rd rounder.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2013 8:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

babyatemydingo wrote:
Jeezla wrote:
Dingobabyatemy, you have to rate all the posts on the first page or you are being racist


Yeah, I missed yours at first.
The holes in my white hood aren't cut big enough and I inadvertently scrolled past it.


Does this mean you think Duke Williams and Terron Armstead are 7th rounders?
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2013 8:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jeezla wrote:
babyatemydingo wrote:
Jeezla wrote:
Dingobabyatemy, you have to rate all the posts on the first page or you are being racist


Yeah, I missed yours at first.
The holes in my white hood aren't cut big enough and I inadvertently scrolled past it.


Does this mean you think Duke Williams and Terron Armstead are 7th rounders?


Williams is a strong safety.
By virtue of that fact alone I think his value is diminished a bit.
Could he go in the 6th round? Sure.
Some guys are going to slip. Some are going to rise.
Not all movement is entirely justified, either.
Is he better than Shamarko Thomas? Maybe.
It gets a bit tough when you get down in the draft.
I certainly don't think he's a 4th rounder or anything like that.

Armstead has been a big riser as of late.
So was Bruce Campbell. He just got traded for a 4th string RB.
Joseph Barksdale was a steal in the 3rd round.
Look at him.
I think there is a lot of risk involved in banking on a mid-round OT.
Hell, there's a lot of risk with a mid-first round tackle.
I think there has to be a very keen eye on that.

This is why I am so receptive to the idea of Joeckel if he is there.
Fill the spot and move on.
I think it is a lot safer than waiting on a guy like Long and hoping that because he knows the system he will be able to contribute.

So, is Armstead a 7? Maybe.
He could go there.
He could go in the 3rd, too.
I just don't think that he is going to be expected to come in and light it up.
A guy gets mentioned frequently as a UDFA steal.
Then he's a mid-round option.
Suddenly everybody wants to be the genius who nabs him. So, they reach.
That could be the future of Terron Armstead.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2013 9:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

babyatemydingo wrote:
Jeezla wrote:
babyatemydingo wrote:
Jeezla wrote:
Dingobabyatemy, you have to rate all the posts on the first page or you are being racist


Yeah, I missed yours at first.
The holes in my white hood aren't cut big enough and I inadvertently scrolled past it.


Does this mean you think Duke Williams and Terron Armstead are 7th rounders?


Williams is a strong safety.
By virtue of that fact alone I think his value is diminished a bit.
Could he go in the 6th round? Sure.
Some guys are going to slip. Some are going to rise.
Not all movement is entirely justified, either.
Is he better than Shamarko Thomas? Maybe.
It gets a bit tough when you get down in the draft.
I certainly don't think he's a 4th rounder or anything like that.

Armstead has been a big riser as of late.
So was Bruce Campbell. He just got traded for a 4th string RB.
Joseph Barksdale was a steal in the 3rd round.
Look at him.
I think there is a lot of risk involved in banking on a mid-round OT.
Hell, there's a lot of risk with a mid-first round tackle.
I think there has to be a very keen eye on that.

This is why I am so receptive to the idea of Joeckel if he is there.
Fill the spot and move on.
I think it is a lot safer than waiting on a guy like Long and hoping that because he knows the system he will be able to contribute.

So, is Armstead a 7? Maybe.
He could go there.
He could go in the 3rd, too.
I just don't think that he is going to be expected to come in and light it up.
A guy gets mentioned frequently as a UDFA steal.
Then he's a mid-round option.
Suddenly everybody wants to be the genius who nabs him. So, they reach.
That could be the future of Terron Armstead.


I see your reasoning, but have you actually just sat back and watched them play? Duke Williams is dope and he plays well despite not having a DL that gets to the qb and forces bad throws like South Carolina or one of those powerhouse national teams. His only negatives that sticks out is he'll bite on play action and occasionally takes a bad angle. I don't know a single safety prospect that didn't have the same issues. His coverage is among the best of any safety in this class. Elam and Swearinger can hit harder, but not by much. He can really lay the wood when he wants, but he usually wraps up. He also tries to rip the ball out on occasion, which is always nice to see from a db. He reminds me of Reshad Jones even more so than Rambo, and I think Reshad Jones is one of the more underrated safeties in the NFL.

Armstead I have to admit I haven't seen much tape on, but he really impressed during the all star practices and games and honestly he didn't look much worse than Fisher agility/balance wise if he was even worse at all. Then you add in the fact he's strong and has good stamina and he just seems destined to go before the 4th round. He handled everyone he went against even if they weren't necessarily the most fearsome pass rushers in NCAA. Fisher, Johnson, and Armstead all really impressed me this all star season.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2013 9:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Williams is a top 10 safety in this draft, albeit about 10th.
Only once in the last 10 years was the 10th best safety taken as high as the 4th round and once in the 5th.
The rest were 6th, 7th or not drafted at all.
I just settled on a composite historical value.

Armstead could very well go in the 4th.
It only takes one team to want him there.
He was good in practices.
But, where was he all season long at Arkansas Pine-Bluff?
That's what gives me pause.

I remember when rookie, Roderick Hood, was playing against the Jets in preseason.
He was covering scrubs. I don't think a single guy he marked made a roster anywhere.
But, he absolutely dominated.
When you play lesser competition you have to own them.
Where is that from Armstead?
Will anybody be so enamored with him when the next tackle du jour arises?

My seeding was apt.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2013 9:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

babyatemydingo wrote:
Williams is a top 10 safety in this draft, albeit about 10th.
Only once in the last 10 years was the 10th best safety taken as high as the 4th round and once in the 5th.
The rest were 6th, 7th or not drafted at all.
I just settled on a composite historical value.

Armstead could very well go in the 4th.
It only takes one team to want him there.
He was good in practices.
But, where was he all season long at Arkansas Pine-Bluff?
That's what gives me pause.

I remember when rookie, Roderick Hood, was playing against the Jets in preseason.
He was covering scrubs. I don't think a single guy he marked made a roster anywhere.
But, he absolutely dominated.
When you play lesser competition you have to own them.
Where is that from Armstead?
Will anybody be so enamored with him when the next tackle du jour arises?

My seeding was apt.


Eeesh. We'll have to agree to disagree about Duke Williams. I think he's the 4th best safety in this class.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2013 9:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jeezla wrote:
babyatemydingo wrote:
Williams is a top 10 safety in this draft, albeit about 10th.
Only once in the last 10 years was the 10th best safety taken as high as the 4th round and once in the 5th.
The rest were 6th, 7th or not drafted at all.
I just settled on a composite historical value.

Armstead could very well go in the 4th.
It only takes one team to want him there.
He was good in practices.
But, where was he all season long at Arkansas Pine-Bluff?
That's what gives me pause.

I remember when rookie, Roderick Hood, was playing against the Jets in preseason.
He was covering scrubs. I don't think a single guy he marked made a roster anywhere.
But, he absolutely dominated.
When you play lesser competition you have to own them.
Where is that from Armstead?
Will anybody be so enamored with him when the next tackle du jour arises?

My seeding was apt.


Eeesh. We'll have to agree to disagree about Duke Williams. I think he's the 4th best safety in this class.


Rank'em

J Cyprien
M Elam
J Evans
T Jefferson
R Lester
TJ McDonald
B McDougald
Z Motta
B Rambo
E Reid
DJ Swearinger
P Thomas
S Thomas
K Vaccaro
JJ Wilcox
D Williams
S Williams
E Wolff
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