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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 4:26 pm    Post subject: DS's precombine mock Reply with quote

Free Agency

Ramses Barden | Wide Receiver
Team: New York Giants
Age / DOB: (27) / 1/1/1986
Ht / Wt: 6'6' / 224
College: Cal Poly
DS Comment: Think Joe Jurevicius and you'll see where I am going with this.

Fred Davis | Tight End
Team: Washington Redskins
Age / DOB: (27) / 1/15/1986
Ht / Wt: 6'4' / 258
College: USC
DS Comment: Another pass catching TE with size for Chud and Norv.

Louis Vasquez | Guard
Team: San Diego Chargers
Age / DOB: (25) / 4/11/1987
Ht / Wt: 6'5' / 335
College: Texas Tech
DS Comment: Louis follows Norv to C-town

Keenan Lewis | Corner Back
Team: Pittsburgh Steelers
Age / DOB: (26) / 5/17/1986
Ht / Wt: 6'0' / 208
College: Oregon State
DS Comment: You hurt a rival and shore up a position. Win Win.

Pat Chung | Free Safety
Team: New England Patriots
Age / DOB: (25) / 8/19/1987
Ht / Wt: 5'11' / 212
College: Oregon
DS Comment: Let the quack attack in the back begin. Chung and Ward are reunited.

DRAFT
1 Ezekiel Ansah, DE/OLB, BYU
Height: 6-5. Weight: 274. Arm: 34 5/8. Hand: 10.
Projected 40 Time: 4.66.
DS Comment: Ansah is now the primary pass rusher in the Browns 34 and other scheme's

3 William Gholston*, DE, Michigan State
Height: 6-7. Weight: 285.
Projected 40 Time: 4.75.
DS Comment: Think Calias Campbell and you see where why Horton wants an athletic 1 gap 34 DE

4 Dion Sims*, TE, Michigan State
Height: 6-5. Weight: 285.
Projected 40 Time: 4.80.
DS Comment: Great Blocking TE

5 Quanterus Smith, DE/OLB, Western Kentucky
Height: 6-5. Weight: 255.
Projected 40 Time: 4.66.
DS Comment: Depth at pass rusher

6 Kyle Juszcyk, FB, Harvard
Height: 6-1. Weight: 248. Arm: 31 3/8. Hand: 9.
Projected 40 Time: 4.75.
DS Comment: Loval kid that wowed at the senior bowl. Played TE at Harvard and has soft hands.

7 Caleb Sturgis, K, Florida
Height: 5-11. Weight: 184.
DS Comment: Don't see Dawson staying so I drafted the top kicker.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 4:33 pm    Post subject: Re: DS's precombine mock Reply with quote

DawgSoldier wrote:
Free Agency

Ramses Barden | Wide Receiver
Team: New York Giants
Age / DOB: (27) / 1/1/1986
Ht / Wt: 6'6' / 224
College: Cal Poly
DS Comment: Think Joe Jurevicius and you'll see where I am going with this.

Fred Davis | Tight End
Team: Washington Redskins
Age / DOB: (27) / 1/15/1986
Ht / Wt: 6'4' / 258
College: USC
DS Comment: Another pass catching TE with size for Chud and Norv.

Louis Vasquez | Guard
Team: San Diego Chargers
Age / DOB: (25) / 4/11/1987
Ht / Wt: 6'5' / 335
College: Texas Tech
DS Comment: Louis follows Norv to C-town

Keenan Lewis | Corner Back
Team: Pittsburgh Steelers
Age / DOB: (26) / 5/17/1986
Ht / Wt: 6'0' / 208
College: Oregon State
DS Comment: You hurt a rival and shore up a position. Win Win.

Pat Chung | Free Safety
Team: New England Patriots
Age / DOB: (25) / 8/19/1987
Ht / Wt: 5'11' / 212
College: Oregon
DS Comment: Let the quack attack in the back begin. Chung and Ward are reunited.

DRAFT
1 Ezekiel Ansah, DE/OLB, BYU
Height: 6-5. Weight: 274. Arm: 34 5/8. Hand: 10.
Projected 40 Time: 4.66.
DS Comment: Ansah is now the primary pass rusher in the Browns 34 and other scheme's

3 William Gholston*, DE, Michigan State
Height: 6-7. Weight: 285.
Projected 40 Time: 4.75.
DS Comment: Think Calias Campbell and you see where why Horton wants an athletic 1 gap 34 DE

4 Dion Sims*, TE, Michigan State
Height: 6-5. Weight: 285.
Projected 40 Time: 4.80.
DS Comment: Great Blocking TE

5 Quanterus Smith, DE/OLB, Western Kentucky
Height: 6-5. Weight: 255.
Projected 40 Time: 4.66.
DS Comment: Depth at pass rusher

6 Kyle Juszcyk, FB, Harvard
Height: 6-1. Weight: 248. Arm: 31 3/8. Hand: 9.
Projected 40 Time: 4.75.
DS Comment: Loval kid that wowed at the senior bowl. Played TE at Harvard and has soft hands.

7 Caleb Sturgis, K, Florida
Height: 5-11. Weight: 184.
DS Comment: Don't see Dawson staying so I drafted the top kicker.


I can get behind the free agency except for Pat chung, i personally dont feel he is that good. I dont like the Ansah pick, the more I read about him I dont think he is a fit as a 3-4 OLB. I like Gholston but I feel he could be had a round later. I like sims, he injury past scares me though. as for the rest I can live with it
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 5:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think Ansah looks to be a terrible fit as a 34 OLB, and far too much of a project to be selected at 6.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 5:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Both of Walter's mocks have Ansah going to the Brown's because Lombardi likes bigger o.l.b's. Could be something to it. Also Tony Grossi said today there is a surprise defensive player the Browns are considering at pick 6. Don't know if this is true or not. Right away I thought Ansah or Kenny Vaccaro the safety.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 6:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I been hearing Ansah has a very high ceiling & is in the Aldon Smith JPP type of athletic combine #s.

I have #1 Dee Milliner for us & then #2 Pass Rush & have Ansah tied with Jarvis Jones for best 3/4 OLB. With the combine to etermine who I would want more. Ansah would have to be marginally better than him in the bench reps & 40 time to get the nod.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 6:47 pm    Post subject: Re: DS's precombine mock Reply with quote

Dawgpoun8017 wrote:
DawgSoldier wrote:
Free Agency

Ramses Barden | Wide Receiver
Team: New York Giants
Age / DOB: (27) / 1/1/1986
Ht / Wt: 6'6' / 224
College: Cal Poly
DS Comment: Think Joe Jurevicius and you'll see where I am going with this.

Fred Davis | Tight End
Team: Washington Redskins
Age / DOB: (27) / 1/15/1986
Ht / Wt: 6'4' / 258
College: USC
DS Comment: Another pass catching TE with size for Chud and Norv.

Louis Vasquez | Guard
Team: San Diego Chargers
Age / DOB: (25) / 4/11/1987
Ht / Wt: 6'5' / 335
College: Texas Tech
DS Comment: Louis follows Norv to C-town

Keenan Lewis | Corner Back
Team: Pittsburgh Steelers
Age / DOB: (26) / 5/17/1986
Ht / Wt: 6'0' / 208
College: Oregon State
DS Comment: You hurt a rival and shore up a position. Win Win.

Pat Chung | Free Safety
Team: New England Patriots
Age / DOB: (25) / 8/19/1987
Ht / Wt: 5'11' / 212
College: Oregon
DS Comment: Let the quack attack in the back begin. Chung and Ward are reunited.

DRAFT
1 Ezekiel Ansah, DE/OLB, BYU
Height: 6-5. Weight: 274. Arm: 34 5/8. Hand: 10.
Projected 40 Time: 4.66.
DS Comment: Ansah is now the primary pass rusher in the Browns 34 and other scheme's

3 William Gholston*, DE, Michigan State
Height: 6-7. Weight: 285.
Projected 40 Time: 4.75.
DS Comment: Think Calias Campbell and you see where why Horton wants an athletic 1 gap 34 DE

4 Dion Sims*, TE, Michigan State
Height: 6-5. Weight: 285.
Projected 40 Time: 4.80.
DS Comment: Great Blocking TE

5 Quanterus Smith, DE/OLB, Western Kentucky
Height: 6-5. Weight: 255.
Projected 40 Time: 4.66.
DS Comment: Depth at pass rusher

6 Kyle Juszcyk, FB, Harvard
Height: 6-1. Weight: 248. Arm: 31 3/8. Hand: 9.
Projected 40 Time: 4.75.
DS Comment: Loval kid that wowed at the senior bowl. Played TE at Harvard and has soft hands.

7 Caleb Sturgis, K, Florida
Height: 5-11. Weight: 184.
DS Comment: Don't see Dawson staying so I drafted the top kicker.


I can get behind the free agency except for Pat chung, i personally dont feel he is that good. I dont like the Ansah pick, the more I read about him I dont think he is a fit as a 3-4 OLB. I like Gholston but I feel he could be had a round later. I like sims, he injury past scares me though. as for the rest I can live with it


On ansah. How can a guy that played 34 OLB not be a fit as a 34 OLB?
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 7:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Patrick Chung is not good. He is the only thing I hate about this mock...and not a big fan of Ansah necessarily. I think he's like the 4th best OLB in this draft class.


1. Jarvis Jones
2. Dion Jordan
3. Barkevious Mingo
4. Ezekiel Ansah
5. Damontre Moore


So while I don't think Ansah will be a bust or anything like that, I would just rather have gotten one of the other guys at that spot.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 7:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fullback40 wrote:
Patrick Chung is not good. He is the only thing I hate about this mock...and not a big fan of Ansah necessarily. I think he's like the 4th best OLB in this draft class.


1. Jarvis Jones
2. Dion Jordan
3. Barkevious Mingo
4. Ezekiel Ansah
5. Damontre Moore


So while I don't think Ansah will be a bust or anything like that, I would just rather have gotten one of the other guys at that spot.


Moore Werner tied Mingo & Ansah then tied Motgomery & Okafer. Don't like Jones or Jordan in my top 5.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 8:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DawgSoldier wrote:
Fullback40 wrote:
Patrick Chung is not good. He is the only thing I hate about this mock...and not a big fan of Ansah necessarily. I think he's like the 4th best OLB in this draft class.


1. Jarvis Jones
2. Dion Jordan
3. Barkevious Mingo
4. Ezekiel Ansah
5. Damontre Moore


So while I don't think Ansah will be a bust or anything like that, I would just rather have gotten one of the other guys at that spot.


Moore Werner tied Mingo & Ansah then tied Motgomery & Okafer. Don't like Jones or Jordan in my top 5.




I think Jarvis Jones is the safest pick. He will be solid for a very long time. He just doesn't have the potential of some of the other guys to dominate.

I don't think Werner can translate to 3-4 OLB. He doesn't have the edge bending athleticism necessary. He'd be what we have in Sheard on the other side...two guys who can't cover anybody.

I am not a Damontre Moore fan. I think he will be good against the run and average against the pass. He isn't the freak we need opposite Sheard. I want a guy who can make splash plays and I don't see that from Damontre Moore.

Dion Jordan will probably be the guy who makes the most plays from the OLB position. Will he hold up against the run like an elite OLB? Probably not, but he will be very good in coverage and can bend the edge.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 6:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fullback40 wrote:
DawgSoldier wrote:
Fullback40 wrote:
Patrick Chung is not good. He is the only thing I hate about this mock...and not a big fan of Ansah necessarily. I think he's like the 4th best OLB in this draft class.


1. Jarvis Jones
2. Dion Jordan
3. Barkevious Mingo
4. Ezekiel Ansah
5. Damontre Moore


So while I don't think Ansah will be a bust or anything like that, I would just rather have gotten one of the other guys at that spot.


Moore Werner tied Mingo & Ansah then tied Motgomery & Okafer. Don't like Jones or Jordan in my top 5.




1 I think Jarvis Jones is the safest pick. He will be solid for a very long time. He just doesn't have the potential of some of the other guys to dominate.

2 I don't think Werner can translate to 3-4 OLB. He doesn't have the edge bending athleticism necessary. He'd be what we have in Sheard on the other side...two guys who can't cover anybody.

3 I am not a Damontre Moore fan. I think he will be good against the run and average against the pass. He isn't the freak we need opposite Sheard. I want a guy who can make splash plays and I don't see that from Damontre Moore.

4 Dion Jordan will probably be the guy who makes the most plays from the OLB position. Will he hold up against the run like an elite OLB? Probably not, but he will be very good in coverage and can bend the edge.


1 He is the riskiest as he is the smallest and has health issues and is 24.

2 The guy rsuhed from a 2 point stance and dropped in coverage as 43 DE. What more do you want out of the guy?

3 The guy beasted vs the SEC and has experiance in the 34 and 43. Whats not not to like?

4 IF he is a 43 SAM yes. in the 34 no.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 6:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

After watching some film and reevaluating the pass rushers I'm prepared to say that Ansah is not the best fit for our Defense.

As beastly as a pass rusher as he could be, I think Dion Jordan best exemplifies what we need. Our OLB core would be dynamic with Jordan across from Sheard.

I especially like this pick if we grab a player like Quanterus Smith or Gholston in the later rounds.

Currently at #6 I would go:
1. Jordan, OLB
2. Milliner, CB
3. Ansah, OLB
4. Star, DE
5. Jones, OLB
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 7:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dropkick_pride wrote:
I think Ansah looks to be a terrible fit as a 34 OLB, and far too much of a project to be selected at 6.


He's definitely a project, but not a fit? 3-4 OLB is easily the role he fits best in the NFL.

I would probably still take Jordan/Moore over Ansah at this point.
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Dropkick_pride wrote:
I think Ansah looks to be a terrible fit as a 34 OLB, and far too much of a project to be selected at 6.


Watching him was the biggest surprise ever for me. I expected to see a hyped up freak who lacks not only stats but also game being raw and everything. My jaw dropped to the floor watching him play: relentless motor, versatile, 100% team player, lining up EVERYWHERE in the front 7 (a lot on the nose too, that's why his stats suffered) and he STILL has incredible upside left, but I also see a decent floor already. This dude can play day 1 and yeah, he's a big guy that can run (and hit). I really think he's a top 10 guy on many boards already and all the internet boards will "catch up" after the combine when stuff will be "rumored." He will put on a show this weekend. He's so good, I would not know what to do if both him and Moore were still there at 6
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Don't like this one bit.

Drafted 2 project 3-DEs in the first rounds.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 8:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

pnies20 wrote:
Don't like this one bit.

Drafted 2 project 3-DEs in the first rounds.


Ansah is a 34 OLB and Gholsten IMO has the frame to add some size and be a very good 34 DE.
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